Is there any real difference between what Geraldine Fararro said about Barack and this quote he

[saracat]

said about himself during his senate race?


From the NYT,12/24/06:

"Mr. Obama has pointedly acknowledged that he benefits from his race, noting last year that a new white senator from Illinois would hardly have stirred comparable interest or intrigue."

[C_U_L8R]

1. that's not a quote.. at least by Obama

i'm pretty sure he doesn't talk about himself in the third person :-)

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. Obama must have not actually noted that. It's bound to be another

lie, a smear against Obama.

[saracat]

3. But they state he said it.

[AZBlue]

6. And the NYT is never wrong!

:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

[knight_of_the_star]

27. The new response to cricisim of Obama?

Even when using his own words?

Looks like debate on here has reached kindergarten levels if "LALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING" now counts as a reasoned, thoughtful response.

[AZBlue]

40. It's not a quote. It's not "his own words."

[Straight Shooter]

47. No. They're wrong in their "Profile in courage" editorial tonight.

Thank you kindly for paving the way. :)

[AZBlue]

48. You really need to let go of the hate and fear.

It's not doing anyone any good, least of all you or the candidate you support.

[Straight Shooter]

50. Thank you for your concern, Dr. AZ "Frist" Blue. n/t

[krkaufman]

51. Quotes generally include quoted text.

And "benefiting from" is distinctly different from "lucky to be" and "wouldn't be where he is if he were white."

One notes some influence, the other is an absolute.

[bigtree]

7. that's true, and I hate it when they do that.

good catch.

[DemVet]

18. NO, not a direct quote, but he said the same thing...

...to an interviewer from the NYT. No difference between his talk and Ferraro's.

[roguevalley]

53. not acknowledging that he said it, it is somewhat different saying

something about yourself and having someone who hasn't got a clue what your life is like ramming an opinion down your throat. What the hell does Ferraro know about being black?

[bigtree]

4. audacious

"We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias."

I'll accept that Obama is no crank or demagogue in the aftermath of his past statements.

[AZBlue]

5. That's not a quote from Obama, it's a quote from the NYT.

:wtf:

[Joe the Revelator]

8. I see the talking points have gone out in the Hillary forum.....this is the best you guys can think

of today?

You're obviously race baiting and it disgusts me.

[MojoMojoMojo]

11. Obama is causing the race baiting .Bill Clinton and Ferraro did not make racist statements

[Joe the Revelator]

14. Run back to your forum and plan your next dopey attack

RALLY THEM TROOPS UP!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=334x8701

[HCE SuiGeneris]

26. I just took a look in the HRC forum.

What a cesspool. To be fair, I also took a gander in the BHO forum. It appears that 80% of OPs in HRC are negative attacks on BHO vs. 80% of OPs in BHO are positive support threads for him. Says a lot about the nature of the respective campaigns.

[knight_of_the_star]

28. Poisoning the well much?

Aside from that Saracat is an Edwards supporter like me, you might want to take the tinfoil hat off if you're assuming anything bad about Obama is a grand conspiracy against him.

[rodeodance]

45. most things we do lately get labled as race-baiting. so you saying it is PUFF

[jackson_dem]

54. So Wolsh admits what he posts there

[Deep13]

56. I didn't ask.

[Tatiana]

9. Hmmm....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5146872

Stay classy!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

10. Your desperation manifests itself in blatant falsification now?

You should seek professional help.

[knight_of_the_star]

30. Two adhominems in one post

Damn you're good! And I thought Obama was all about "raising the standard" and "uniting people".

[HCE SuiGeneris]

31. Guess what.

I am not Obama. And, the relevance has been obscured by the OP editing the post. You are late to the party. But, thanks for showing up!
:toast:

[knight_of_the_star]

33. I don't care if you aren't Obama

If you can't live up to the alleged standard your candidate claims then why do you bother? If you cannot comport yourself with honor, dignity, reason, restraint, and logic when acting in a fashion that does work on behalf of your candidate then you sully him as much as you sully yourself.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

42. I am tired of BS accusations that lack validity. I will call them out.

I am human and become emotional. If you can always adhere to these standards you tout, I applaud you. If not, you reflect the hypocrisy you are attempting to saddle me with.

[knight_of_the_star]

49. I make every effort to live up to those standards

And they aren't BS accusations if he himself said them.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

12. Let's see:

And this assuming the quote attributed to Sen. Obama is something he really said. Obama is referring to himself as a new Senator from Illinois. While he is acknowledging that his race makes him more interesting and intriguing, he is not saying that he is "lucky" to be Black man nor is he suggesting that it is the ONLY reason he is where he is, as Ferraro implied.

Hope that helps.

[scheming daemons]

13. Let it go, saracat... you've become a parody of a Hillary supporter....

..you're not helping your candidate.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

15. come on....she is helping her candidate and why are you for being a mean jerk

[Joe the Revelator]

17. This is "helping her candidate"

Pathetic.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

20. being mean and attacking her doesn't help Obama's image either...

she thought it was worthy and you could have easily just moved on to another thread.

that simple

[Joe the Revelator]

21. If someone constantly trashes Hillary with bullshit, lame attacks...

you'd just ignore it and move on? You and I both know the answer to that.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

22. yes I do just move on....I read and leave

[Joe the Revelator]

24. Well, you should win a pony

[ElsewheresDaughter]

32. make it a miniture one

[Joe the Revelator]

35. Here you go

[ElsewheresDaughter]

37. omg....look at it.......awww sooooo sweet...now I can take my spider monkey for a ride....

:yourock:



.

[Joe the Revelator]

39. I'm giving a speech about pony relations tomorrow

Its going to be a pretty big deal.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

41. are you really, that's so wonderful...you're a horsemen?...

tell me about it?

my daughter is a wrangler at a ranch in upstate NY. she thinks horses are gods perfect creation ....eats and sleeps horses....and we have horses across the road

My best friend is a breeder

when she was young...



now she's 26




okay I over did the pics thing...sorry

[IowaGirl]

57. Oh, me too, me too!! I want one!! I want one!!

:bounce:

[femrap]

29. And you're not helping the future

of our country. If the Dems don't stop falling for this 'Divide and Conquer,' we will NEVER reclaim the White House.

Does that ever enter your mind? Don't you see how the Extremely Wealthy Fascists have manipulated this campaign...they are in the midst of DESTROYING the Democratic Party and we are all obliging them.

You do see that?

Respect of your fellow Dem, even though you don't agree with that Dem's choice for the nominee is crucial.

Otherwise, say hello is President McCain. It may already be too late.

[JoFerret]

16. That's an interesting observation and

with his very good speech today Obama may have moved the debate forward. However there were serious disingenuous elements to his speech.

Meanwhile Ferraro deserves an apology. She is no racist.

[MojoMojoMojo]

36. But today Obama tied her statement to affirmative action which is race baiting

[meow mix]

19. haha very funny!! you hillary supporters and your comedy routines

getting better all the time!

[knight_of_the_star]

34. How about addressing the issue?

You know, like one would EXPECT in a democracy?

[saltpoint]

23. More gutter-sniping from this poster.

Run your question by Bob Herbert.

[Name removed]

25. Deleted message

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[Drachasor]

38. Do you have a link? I did a web search using that quote and got nothing

[Breeze54]

43. Here it is but the OP left out the rest...as usual.

Testing the Water, Obama Tests His Own Limits

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/24/washington/24obama.html?pagewanted=print

December 24, 2006

By JEFF ZELENY

WASHINGTON, Dec. 22 —

On a winter afternoon two years ago, Senator Barack Obama took his oath of office and strolled across the Capitol grounds hand-in-hand with his wife and two daughters. At the time, a question from his 6-year-old sounded precocious. Now, it seems prescient.

“Are you going to try to be president?” Malia Obama asked her father, giggling as a television camera captured the moment. “Shouldn’t you be the vice president first?”

Her innocent musings go straight to a threshold issue Mr. Obama faces as he edges closer to entering the presidential race: his limited experience in national politics.

But they only hint at a complex matrix of questions swirling around his prospective candidacy: Is he simply a first-term liberal Democrat long on charisma who is enjoying a brief moment of fame? Is he, as some of his more enthusiastic fans seem to feel, the post-partisan, post-racial, post-baby boom embodiment of a new brand of politics? Does he have the drive and discipline to survive a wide-open presidential campaign?

Put more bluntly: Is he for real?

“He’s so incredibly skilled, but he’s also had a lot of luck,” said Abner Mikva, a White House chief counsel in the Clinton administration and a longtime friend of Mr. Obama’s. “Hopefully people don’t think the media just puffed him up and he’s a flash in the pan.”

Even his aides wonder if he can meet lofty expectations, which have elevated him beyond a politician’s normal realm, thanks to his celebrity, ambition and biography.


Snip-->

His roots are traced directly to Africa, where a two-week pilgrimage this summer helped burnish his credentials in the black community and provided a spark to his presidential ambition.

Mr. Obama has pointedly acknowledged that he benefits from his race, noting last year that a new white senator from Illinois would hardly have stirred comparable interest or intrigue. So Mr. Obama has embraced his role, but he has strived to be defined by more than color alone.

“It’s not always easy for a black politician to gauge the right tone to take — too angry? not angry enough?” he writes in his latest book, “The Audacity of Hope.”

But in the same chapter on race, he notes, “Whatever preconceived notions white Americans may continue to hold, the overwhelming majority of them these days are able — if given the time — to look beyond race in making their judgments of people.”

more....

[Drachasor]

44. Thanks. The context really helps.

[stillcool]

46. Thanks...

picking up where you left off...

But the sense that he could be a trailblazer is only part of what constitutes his celebrity and his political promise.

No Democrat was more sought after in the midterm elections. And Mr. Obama was happy to oblige the requests, which allowed him to build goodwill among Democrats across the country while creating a list of supporters. (At most appearances, tickets were required, so his staff could collect names and addresses, which might be helpful down the line.)

“He has a way of communicating a message, just like Bobby Kennedy did,” said John Rogers, the chief executive of Ariel Capital Management in Chicago, who has known Mr. Obama for nearly 20 years. “His message strikes a chord with the American populace. You just can’t manufacture that.”

[Guava Jelly]

52. Just how many trash cans and toilets did you sift through to find

this turd that doesn't float?

You aren't converting anyone FYI..
But have fun adding to the negativity of this forum.
You do it so well

[jackson_dem]

55. Salazar was elected the same year in a real race. Do you ever hear of him?

Meanwhile Obama was the toast of Washington the day he was elected and made the cover of Newsweek the same week he took office in a cover story that hailed him as a savior who could unite us. Sound familiar?