Hillary Clinton made an amazing speech on Iraq yesterday.

[jillan]

While I appreciate ~ and enjoyed ~ Obama's speech today (I think he hit a homerun)

all I am hearing is that he is going to be making a speech on Iraq tomorrow, and the
economy the following day... and that's great. He should be making these speeches.

But dangit media! The voters need to hear Hillary's speech as well.
Her speech on Iraq was every bit as good as a speech Biden (my real candidate) would have
given. She is already working on her plan to withdraw the troops within her first 60 days.
She spoke about what that will entail, her plans to help rebuild Iraq, for our vets....
It was amazing, and I am sure that speech had something to do with Murtha's endorsement.

All I want, and all I ever wanted from the beginning of this primary season, is fairness in media to all of the candidates.
I don't expect the Obama people to understand, but the Biden, Dodd, Kucinich, Gravel, Richardson, and most recently Edwards people - they get it. They know where I am coming from.

[Bonobo]

1. She certainly did!

[BuyingThyme]

2. I thought that was today.

[emilyg]

3. Yes.

[meow mix]

4. she did? no one mentioned it...

i guess everyone missed it?
:shrug: :rofl:

[rodeodance]

72. YOU were NOT paying attention---NOW you look foolish__Here:

March 17, 2008 IRAQ: Hillary's Remarks at The George Washingon University (transcript)

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=6553


Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject a plan
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5119769#5120325
5120325, a plan
Posted by bigtree on Mon Mar-17-08 09:55 AM

3/17/2008

Hillary Clinton: Ready to End the War in Iraq

Today, in a major speech ahead of the five year anniversary of the start of the Iraq war, Hillary Clinton outlined new proposals that build on her three-part plan to end the war responsibly. Five years after the start of the war, we have come to a crossroads. The war has sapped our military and economic strength, damaged U.S. national security, taken the lives of almost 4,000 brave young men and women in uniform, and placed a lasting toll on the tens of thousands of wounded, many with invisible injuries like Traumatic Brain Injury and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. The George W. Bush-John McCain strategy is to continue this failed policy. We need to end this war and bring our troops home. We need to press the Iraqis to take responsibility for their own country. We need to rebuild our alliances and enlist the international community in securing stability in Iraq and the region. To learn more about Hillary Clinton’s record on ending the war in Iraq, click here.

We need a Commander-in-Chief who is both committed to ending this war and who has the strength, experience, and leadership to do it the right way. Hillary Clinton is that candidate. As President, she will:

I. Start Bringing Our Troops Home

* Bring Our Troops Home. As President, one of Hillary's first official actions will be to convene the Joint Chiefs of Staff, her Secretary of Defense, and her National Security Council. She will direct them to draw up a clear, comprehensive plan for withdrawal that starts removing our troops within 60 days. The plan for withdrawal will incorporate the most effective on-the-ground strategies and tactics to move personnel and equipment efficiently out of combat zones and then out of the country, and will focus on protecting our troops and reducing the risk of attacks as they come home


* Hillary knows that as we bring our troops and contractors home, we cannot lose sight of our very real strategic interests in this region. Al Qaeda terrorist cells continue to operate in Iraq, cells that did not exist before President Bush’s failed policy. Under Hillary’s plan the United States will retain counterterrorism forces in Iraq and the region to fight al Qaeda and will not permit terrorists to have a safe haven in Iraq from which to attack the United States or its allies.


* Protecting Those Who Protect Us. As President, Hillary will ensure that our troops receive sufficient time at home between deployments to rest, reconnect with their families, and receive appropriate training for their next mission.


* Reduce Strains on Our Troops. The war is placing tremendous strain on our armed forces, courting strategic risks posed by a force that is stretched to the breaking point. As President, Hillary will adopt the recommendations of Rep. John Murtha to ensure that our Army troops have as much time at home as they have spent deployed. So for every month they spend in the field, they will be guaranteed one month here at home. Our Marines will have a similar standard appropriate for their service in the Corps. As President, Hillary will also require that the Secretary of Defense certify to the Congress full combat-brigade readiness before they are deployed.

[goclark]

74. Obama's speech today was brilliant on Iraq !

I believe both speeches can be views here...
http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream4

[rodeodance]

75. thanks for the link

[Medusa]

5. So where were her speeches when she voted to send soldiers

to their death in Iraq?

[PresidentObama]

8. Great. Another person who gets it.

***END SARCASM***

[superkia]

57. The speech was there and it sounded very smiliar to bush or cheneys!

Lets see, participate in sending people to die for oil and then make a new speech for the run for POTUS...I don't care if anyone covers it, its all bullshit! I follow her on her actions not words!

[thewiseguy]

6. She is not the front runner

And quiet honestly it will take a miracle for her to catch up. I do not see why the media should give her the same spotlight.

This is all about Obama vs GOP at the moment.

[rodeodance]

37. Thank you for your concern

[SammyWinstonJack]

73. His "concern" is BS!

:hi:

[juajen]

39. I'm sorry, my OCD is coming out, and it's all about spelling.

The word is "quite" as in "quite beautiful", not "quiet" as in "you be quiet".

As to your post, she has come back twice now, and third time's the charm. She is an unbelievable candidate and her supporters have the utmost faith in her.

At this time, "frontrunner" is not applicable to either, and they deserve some kind of equality when it comes to free TV coverage, but I'll remember this post when she is the "frontrunner" again.

Oops, sorry. You have been visited by the DU Spelling Police.

My name is juajen and I approve this message.

[thewiseguy]

49. English is not my first language

But thanks for being very rude. Like most other Hillary supporters on this board.

[greguganus]

64. When they have nothing left, they criticize your spelling / grammar. n/t

[tabasco]

7. Is that the one where she talked about the gift of freedom we gave the Iraqis.

Yeah, that's a howler!

Most countries occupied by a foreign power don't consider themselves free for some reason.

[jillan]

10. If you read my op you would see what she spoke about.

She IS ALREADY WORKING ON A PLAN TO START WITHDRAWING THE TROOPS WITHIN HER FIRST 60 DAYS -

Can you hear me now???

[tabasco]

15. Does she have a plan to bring the hundreds of thousands dead back to life?

That might vindicate her for her cowardice on the IWR vote.

[jillan]

22. Does Obama have a plan for that? He did vote to fund this war on several occassions.

You do know that, don't you?

[Drachasor]

30. As Obama said, once the bus is driven into the ditch, there are only so many ways to get it out

Not funding the troops isn't a realistic option.

[Exilednight]

35. It was the same speech that tabasco is talking about. She said......

and I am paraphrasing, that the Iraqis have been given the precious gift of freedom. I doubt the Iraqis feel the same way.

[shaniqua6392]

9. I did see it on CNN.

They played the whole thing and it was really powerful. She did lay out a specific plan for removal of the the troops from Iraq. The media is not going to show much of her as they have already chosen our candidate for us. Wasn't that nice of them? I could see this happening months ago and it is working. People are easily swayed.

[thewiseguy]

12. The people have chosen the candidate not the media

[jillan]

14. until Obama has 2025 delegates, he is not our candidate.

Those are the rules.

[thewiseguy]

17. Yes and it would take a miracle for her to catch Obama

The Media does still cover Hillary's speeches but they will not give her the same spotlight because she is behind Obama at this point. And it is Obama who is drawing attacks from GOP.

[jillan]

23. 2025

[thewiseguy]

31. 170+

[jillan]

48. Obama needs to have 2025 to be our nominee, he is not there yet.

[rodeodance]

43. polish your crystal ball

[The River]

44. Speaking Of Rules

Why is Camp Hillary always trying to bend, break or change them
when things don't go her way?

[Auntie Bush]

41. I beg to differ...

The people have chosen the media's candidate. The media have done a good job of pushing and praising Obama and turning the public away from Clinton with their misogynistic commentators who had nothing good to say about Hillary and NEVER uttered a single negative about Obama. We choose him! My foot! The corp media that hated the Clintons chose your candidate.
How can you not see that?

Wow! Dan Abrams just gave a free ad telling viewers where they can see Obama's speech. Was that fair? They didn't tell the viewers where they could see Hillary's excellent speech on Iraq. But they will broadcast Obama's speech with a background of American flags making him look presidential. Can you still believe that GE/media is picking your president for you?

[OhioBlue]

50. pfffttttt.... lol! the media never utters a negative about Obama???

OMFG - they have been pounding him for days over things his Pastor said!!! Playing the same sprinkle of clips 24/7

they did Rezko, they did some link to family in Africa

can you dig any deeper than that?

jeeezzzzus - they've given Hill a pass on everything.

btw - I saw the speech. no comparison. she can't come close to the speech Obama just gave.

[Auntie Bush]

56. They didn't till recently when they had to cover those big stories..

They built him up for a year...while they made snide comments about Hillary. How can you deny that unless you've have been hiding under a rock.

[JuniperLea]

16. You are correct

And the Obama folk would have to agree... a lot of them are saying that Hillary will "steal" the super delegates by virtue of her spending a lot of campaign money in their areas... so if that's what they think, they most certainly must agree that by NOT showing Hillary as much, the media is stealing the election for Obama!

The pendulum swings an equal distance in both directions...

[breakaleg]

11. "News" is just that. They aren't supposed to create news when it isn't there.

If all people are talking about is Obama, why report on a non-story?

[musicblind]

13. I watched that entire thing at 9 am yesterday as she gave it

It was an excellent speech. :)

[BringBigDogBack]

18. See sig.

"Ready on day one" :sarcasm:

[TahitiNut]

19. She says she'll BEGIN removing troops in 60 days ...

... and FINISH in 100 years. :shrug: :eyes:

I remain a supporter of Kucinich and his plan for exiting Iraq, which is very close to that proposed by the Network of Spiritual Progessives.

[jillan]

20. You are proving my point. Maybe if the msm would show her speech, people

like you wouldn't be so confuzzled on her plans.

[Jed Dilligan]

28. Post quotations, then

If you aren't misrepresenting the speech, why don't you?

[rodeodance]

70. Here---since you seem to have problems finding it:

March 17, 2008 IRAQ: Hillary's Remarks at The George Washingon University (transcript)

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=6553


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Topic subject a plan
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5119769#5120325
5120325, a plan
Posted by bigtree on Mon Mar-17-08 09:55 AM

3/17/2008

Hillary Clinton: Ready to End the War in Iraq

Today, in a major speech ahead of the five year anniversary of the start of the Iraq war, Hillary Clinton outlined new proposals that build on her three-part plan to end the war responsibly. Five years after the start of the war, we have come to a crossroads. The war has sapped our military and economic strength, damaged U.S. national security, taken the lives of almost 4,000 brave young men and women in uniform, and placed a lasting toll on the tens of thousands of wounded, many with invisible injuries like Traumatic Brain Injury and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. The George W. Bush-John McCain strategy is to continue this failed policy. We need to end this war and bring our troops home. We need to press the Iraqis to take responsibility for their own country. We need to rebuild our alliances and enlist the international community in securing stability in Iraq and the region. To learn more about Hillary Clinton’s record on ending the war in Iraq, click here.

We need a Commander-in-Chief who is both committed to ending this war and who has the strength, experience, and leadership to do it the right way. Hillary Clinton is that candidate. As President, she will:

I. Start Bringing Our Troops Home

* Bring Our Troops Home. As President, one of Hillary's first official actions will be to convene the Joint Chiefs of Staff, her Secretary of Defense, and her National Security Council. She will direct them to draw up a clear, comprehensive plan for withdrawal that starts removing our troops within 60 days. The plan for withdrawal will incorporate the most effective on-the-ground strategies and tactics to move personnel and equipment efficiently out of combat zones and then out of the country, and will focus on protecting our troops and reducing the risk of attacks as they come home


* Hillary knows that as we bring our troops and contractors home, we cannot lose sight of our very real strategic interests in this region. Al Qaeda terrorist cells continue to operate in Iraq, cells that did not exist before President Bush’s failed policy. Under Hillary’s plan the United States will retain counterterrorism forces in Iraq and the region to fight al Qaeda and will not permit terrorists to have a safe haven in Iraq from which to attack the United States or its allies.


* Protecting Those Who Protect Us. As President, Hillary will ensure that our troops receive sufficient time at home between deployments to rest, reconnect with their families, and receive appropriate training for their next mission.


* Reduce Strains on Our Troops. The war is placing tremendous strain on our armed forces, courting strategic risks posed by a force that is stretched to the breaking point. As President, Hillary will adopt the recommendations of Rep. John Murtha to ensure that our Army troops have as much time at home as they have spent deployed. So for every month they spend in the field, they will be guaranteed one month here at home. Our Marines will have a similar standard appropriate for their service in the Corps. As President, Hillary will also require that the Secretary of Defense certify to the Congress full combat-brigade readiness before they are deployed.

[surfermaw]

21. I think we Edwards people knew from day one, that Edwards wasn't given coverage to freez him out

[jillan]

25. What they did to Edwards at the end was nauseating.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. The one about the gift of freedom to Iraqis?

Yeah, I don't take that any more seriously then her "plan" to bring troops home.

[global1]

26. Hillary? - Oh You Mean That Lady That's Running For President......

the one that voted for the war in the first place. The one that was for the war? That Hillary?

BTW - did she apologize for that in her speech?

[myrna minx]

27. Is it up on you tube, because I'd really like to see it.

Um, I'm an Obama supporter who will vote for Hillary Clinton if she wins the nomination. I'd really like to see her speech about this. If you have a link, please post. :hi:

[jenmito]

29. They showed it on CNN. And Matthews pointed out that she attacked Obama 11 times in that

speech.

[jillan]

32. She talked about Obama one time in that speech.

Watch the speech if you don't believe me.

[jenmito]

38. I saw it on CNN with her green scarf on. She talked about him 11 times.

[mdmc]

40. shes calling for withdrawal, but we must stay

and stay for a long time. And she knew that when we went to war and when she voted to use force.

[jillan]

46. What is Obama's plan for withdrawal? Does he have a date for withdrawal?

Because I honestly don't know.

[mdmc]

66. We will be fighting in Iraq for the next 50 years - Mac understands

The reason I opposed the invasion was because a stable, unified, pro-west, democratic Iraq was at least 50 years of hard work and sacrifice away.

McCain knew this and supported the invasion. He still does.
HRC and Obama both knew this (or should have known this). HRC supported the invasion, and now wants to cut and run. Obama voted for funding this OOPS, and now wants to cut and run.

So McCain wants to win, and the dems want to admit defeat and withdraw.

In for a penny, in for a pound. We broke it, we bought it.

If HRC thought we could leave in victory after a couple of years, she has no right running for president.

[goclark]

76. His plan is clear and yes he does

Link to both speeches....
http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream4

[Jacobin]

34. I would listen if she first apologized to the Iraqi people for

destroying their culture, their infrastructure, their peace of mind, their citizens, their relatives, sons, daughters, fathers ,mother, and for creating a diaspora where at least 1 million Iraqi middle class citizens have had to flee their own country. Particularly if she would apologize fervently and with conviction. Next I would like to hear her say that she was an IDIOT to believe Bush's lies in the run up to war and say she feels like a fool for voting to authorize the use of force, which she KNEW Bush would use to start a war, even though hundreds of her fellow congress critters were smart enough to know and voted against, with conviction.

Once this is done, I would be happy to hear how she plans to start cleaning up this gawd awful mess she helped to create.

[juajen]

53. Golly, who are you to demand such things.

She wasn't the only Senator who felt that was the right thing to do. Don't forget it was her state that was attacked and she had to represent her state. That's the name of the game. She is not to blame for Bush's perfidy, and no one would have suspected that the President of the United States would so blatantly lie to the country, to the Congress and to the world. She owes no one an apology for doing what she thought was right and for doing what she was elected to do, which was to represent the people of New York.

[KAZ]

54. Her state was attacked by Iraq?

[arewenotdemo]

59. That was news to me, too.

Probably a nexus of evil consisting of Saddam and Al Qaeda-in-Iran.

[JoFerret]

33. Yes. A real way forward

With Obama's help we could make real progress.

[rodeodance]

36. off to the GREATEST

[tippytoe]

42. I heard that speech

It was awesome and full of substance.

[Recursion]

45. The one that made me physically ill about the "gift" we gave the Iraqis?

Yeah, I think I heard parts of that. I felt like she had punched me in the gut and stabbed me in the back as I was doubled over. She thinks we have done good there.

[arewenotdemo]

60. Yeah, the "greatest gift" speech.

She's very proud that she helped the Cheerleader give it to the Iraqis.

[goclark]

77. Please tell me she did not say that...

What gift did we give them... destroyed the land and destroys thousands of their people.

Innocent children

Where are the schools they would show us in the past?

Market place scenes?

What gift!!!!!!!

[rucky]

47. Withdraw within 60 days?

Now you have my attention.

:hi:

[boppers]

51. 60 days can't, and won't, happen.

I think she means that she plans to *start* the withdrawal withing 60 days.

[rucky]

52. Prolly not. But I'm open to any new talk on Iraq.

[BlueJac]

55. Sure she vote for the war........wake the FUCK UP.....

And get on OBAMA train and realize he is the next President of the USA.

[jillan]

58. Obama voted to fund it - several times.

[arthritisR_US]

61. a no vote in the first place would have been preferable to any speech. n/t

[Lucinda]

62. Link to her speech:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=6553

[jasmine621]

63. Damn, that was a great speech. MSM will only air Obama's Iraq speech.

It is sad but the media is still in control. The only coverage Hillary will get is negative. Did KO even mention her speech? Hillary supporters, we should be e-mailing the cable shows now. Obama's speech on Iraq will no doubt be all about his speech BEFORE the war.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

65. I guess she's got to get caught in a lie so she can get free campaign air time on 3 MSM channels

in order to try and clean up the mess

[rodeodance]

67. I almost bonked you before I saw your screenname:-)--

[SeaLyons]

68. Yes She Did!!

The media unfairness in this campaign will be written about for years to come.

[Texas Hill Country]

69. is there a link? *Edit* Found, nm. lol

[rodeodance]

71. *HRC speech::***

March 17, 2008 IRAQ: Hillary's Remarks at The George Washingon University (transcript)

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=6553


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Topic subject a plan
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5119769#5120325
5120325, a plan
Posted by bigtree on Mon Mar-17-08 09:55 AM

3/17/2008

Hillary Clinton: Ready to End the War in Iraq

Today, in a major speech ahead of the five year anniversary of the start of the Iraq war, Hillary Clinton outlined new proposals that build on her three-part plan to end the war responsibly. Five years after the start of the war, we have come to a crossroads. The war has sapped our military and economic strength, damaged U.S. national security, taken the lives of almost 4,000 brave young men and women in uniform, and placed a lasting toll on the tens of thousands of wounded, many with invisible injuries like Traumatic Brain Injury and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. The George W. Bush-John McCain strategy is to continue this failed policy. We need to end this war and bring our troops home. We need to press the Iraqis to take responsibility for their own country. We need to rebuild our alliances and enlist the international community in securing stability in Iraq and the region. To learn more about Hillary Clinton’s record on ending the war in Iraq, click here.

We need a Commander-in-Chief who is both committed to ending this war and who has the strength, experience, and leadership to do it the right way. Hillary Clinton is that candidate. As President, she will:

I. Start Bringing Our Troops Home

* Bring Our Troops Home. As President, one of Hillary's first official actions will be to convene the Joint Chiefs of Staff, her Secretary of Defense, and her National Security Council. She will direct them to draw up a clear, comprehensive plan for withdrawal that starts removing our troops within 60 days. The plan for withdrawal will incorporate the most effective on-the-ground strategies and tactics to move personnel and equipment efficiently out of combat zones and then out of the country, and will focus on protecting our troops and reducing the risk of attacks as they come home


* Hillary knows that as we bring our troops and contractors home, we cannot lose sight of our very real strategic interests in this region. Al Qaeda terrorist cells continue to operate in Iraq, cells that did not exist before President Bush’s failed policy. Under Hillary’s plan the United States will retain counterterrorism forces in Iraq and the region to fight al Qaeda and will not permit terrorists to have a safe haven in Iraq from which to attack the United States or its allies.


* Protecting Those Who Protect Us. As President, Hillary will ensure that our troops receive sufficient time at home between deployments to rest, reconnect with their families, and receive appropriate training for their next mission.


* Reduce Strains on Our Troops. The war is placing tremendous strain on our armed forces, courting strategic risks posed by a force that is stretched to the breaking point. As President, Hillary will adopt the recommendations of Rep. John Murtha to ensure that our Army troops have as much time at home as they have spent deployed. So for every month they spend in the field, they will be guaranteed one month here at home. Our Marines will have a similar standard appropriate for their service in the Corps. As President, Hillary will also require that the Secretary of Defense certify to the Congress full combat-brigade readiness before they are deployed.