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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:58 PM
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Poll question: What was the greatest speech in American history?
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 12:09 AM by jackson_dem
What was the greatest speech in American history?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:00 AM
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1. All Peerless--It's Divisive To Choose Among Them
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:01 AM
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2. For the record, I voted Lincoln's Gettysburg Address. Allow me to help you with your
William Jennings Bryan confusion: it was called the "Cross of Gold" speech.

You're welcome.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:02 AM
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3. Here:
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:05 AM
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7. Clinton gave a great speech on race--and he didn't do it after being politically forced to do so
He did it because it came from his heart and he, both in public and in private, has spent his entire life fighting the good fight. No president did more for minorities since LBJ than President Clinton.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:11 AM
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18. And then he got up and undid all his good work in 24 seconds LYING to the American people
:(
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:10 AM
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16. You're better than that
:-(
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:15 AM
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22. I think the OP is crap
and I will post a crap response.

Just because Obama's speech today wasn't the best speech ever in American history doesn't mean it wasn't a truly great speech, maybe even the greatest speech of this generation. :shrug:
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:21 AM
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27. I've seen at least 10 people on here say it was the best speech in history.....
and "maybe even the greatest speech of this generation" is quite a stretch as well.

He loses a lot of points because of the timing... it is damage control and not a sincere policy/issue speech.

Quite frankly I've heard enough about the Wright saga.
The problem for Obama is that he appears to be getting trapped in a constant discussion of "racial issues" ...
Something he doesn't need right now. People are exhausted from trying t make it day to day. Our economy is on the brink of a meltdown, we are at war.
As important as the racial issues are, right now is not a good time to hash them out.
I don't think that Obama will be able to spin this into a positive.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:36 AM
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31. I don't doubt the sincerity of his speech at all
I think if the candidacy is going to be about real issues, Obama needed to ditch that Wright albatross. Not the man, but the issue.

Looking back to the late 90's, Clinton was so crippled by the Lewinsky thing that he couldn't get anything done. And yeah, it was bullshit, but it was the political reality of the situation. Kerry didn't effectively handle the Swiftboaters, and that killed his campaign.

Yeah, the racial thing is a detour, but I think it's an important detour and I think the timing is good. Obama wasn't going to dance around the topic of what it means to be a black candidate forever, and it's better to air it out now than in October. I think it'll also kill the Muslim rumors, and finally, Hillary's campaign is already holed and that makes the coverage of this issue a little less frantic than it would have been a month ago.

I'd also like to see real discussion of the real issues, and I think that's what Obama wants too. :shrug:
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:02 AM
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38. How does this post make any negative implication of Obama's
wonderful speech? It merely asks a question that I found very interesting and was torn between Lincoln's famous speech, which I have a copy of in my bedroom, and "Liberty or Death". I was moved to tears by Obama's speech today, but I do not think this honest and interesting question is an attack on his speech. If you think it is maybe you are being too sensitive?
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:03 AM
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4. Great idea for a poll! n/t
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:04 AM
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5. I think they all served useful purposes and it's pointless to compare them
:shrug:
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:04 AM
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6. Tough choice
Was the Emancipation Proclamation a speech?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:07 AM
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10. I don't think so. I believe it was an executive order
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truebluecollar Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:56 AM
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36. Bush would've issued it with a Signing Statement!
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:07 AM
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8. It is still being written...
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 12:12 AM by chknltl
...and may the authors never tire.

(sorry, I really could not pick just one so I picked other)

(btw: Feb 12, 2009 will be the 200th anniversary of President Lincolns birthday. I can think of nobody better than a President Obama to be the one giving THAT re-dedication speech.)

edited for a much needed spell check
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:08 AM
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13. Yes, I am sure Senator Obama will deliver a great speech honoring Illinois' favorite son
;)
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:07 AM
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9. I loved Obama's speech today...I think it was very powerful...
and that it will be remembered in years to come.
But I think that the Gettysburg Address was far more powerful.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:07 AM
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11. The Gettysburg Address. Lincoln said it all in merely three paragraphs.
If only others could do the same.



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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:11 AM
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39. Crap I just read that again and it too just made me cry
damn I'm such a sap. I've been to Gettysburg. I own that speech upstairs in my bedroom having bought it when I went to DC as a souvenir.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:08 AM
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12. I vote "other"....
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 12:14 AM by catnhatnh
Chief Joseph "From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever..." Real American, real speech, and if you can read it without tears you are heartless.....
Edited to add link: http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/joseph.htm
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:09 AM
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14. I added an "other" category so you can cast your vote now
:hi:

Good choice by the way.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:22 AM
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28. That was a very powerful speech.
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:38 AM
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32. Even more so...
...when you realize it was not in his native tongue. He made several other good ones worth googling...
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rwenos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:10 AM
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15. FDR's "Four Freedoms" Speech
You left it off the list. As much as I LOVED JFK, FDR belongs on the list. Let's remember where we came from, eh?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:11 AM
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17. I just added an "other" category
I do remember where we came from. Hence my name. :hi:
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:13 AM
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19. uh sorry.. its this one
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:15 AM
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20. Another good question should be what qualities need a great speech have?
Besides the beautiful words.

Express truths.

The power to stop people's everyday pattern of thinking and feeling for a moment and inspire reflection.

Change the way people think about the past, present or future.


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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:15 AM
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21. "Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
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Earth Bound Misfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:46 AM
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33. Germans? n/t
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:17 AM
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23. What was the greatest speech in American history?
The one that is here and now!


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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:18 AM
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24. FDR's 1st inaugural: Only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:16 AM
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40. Oh that's a good one. I forgot about that.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:18 AM
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25. I can see jackson_dem's ulterior motives with this post
He wants to see how many Obama supporters vote for his race or convention speech. If a significant amount do he will use it as a pie and throw it in their faces. Your all too transparent.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:19 AM
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26. Martin Luther King, Jr. "I Have A Dream" Listen. Here, thery're ranked ...
1 Martin Luther King, Jr. "I Have A Dream"
2 John Fitzgerald Kennedy Inaugural Address
3 Franklin Delano Roosevelt First Inaugural Address
4 Franklin Delano Roosevelt Pearl Harbor Address to the Nation
5 Barbara Charline Jordan 1976 DNC Keynote Address
6 Richard Milhous Nixon "Checkers"
7 Malcolm X "The Ballot or the Bullet"
8 Ronald Wilson Reagan Shuttle ''Challenger'' Disaster Address
9 John Fitzgerald Kennedy Houston Ministerial Association Speech
10 Lyndon Baines Johnson "We Shall Overcome"
11 Mario Matthew Cuomo 1984 DNC Keynote Address
12 Jesse Louis Jackson 1984 DNC Address
13 Barbara Charline Jordan Statement on the Articles of Impeachment
14 (General) Douglas MacArthur Farewell Address to Congress
15 Martin Luther King, Jr. "I've Been to the Mountaintop"
16 Theodore Roosevelt "The Man with the Muck-rake"
17 Robert Francis Kennedy Remarks on the Assassination of MLK
18 Dwight David Eisenhower Farewell Address
19 Thomas Woodrow Wilson War Message
20 (General) Douglas MacArthur "Duty, Honor, Country"

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/top100speechesall.html

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Earth Bound Misfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:25 AM
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29. I voted for..FDR’s ..
Warning of the Tyranny of Economic Royalists in the U.S.

But this one's pretty good too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A
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LuvMyPorsche Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:28 AM
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30. thank you
for including Patrick Henry:

Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death

Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775.

No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free-- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
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truebluecollar Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:51 AM
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34. I 've always considered the Gettysburg Address to be
The Lord's Prayer of the American Republic and "I Have a Dream" to be the greatest speech of the Twentieth Century (Messrs. Churchill's, Roosevelt's and Ghandi's eloquence notwithstanding) Both of Lincoln's Inaugural Addresses were poetic masterpieces of English language prose. One hundred years from now, little school children will be cussing out Barack Obama's name as they are tasked to memorize passages of this most historic speech.
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Monty__ Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:55 AM
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35. Other...
Lincoln's 2nd inaugural was his best speech, better than the Gettysburg Address and better than his first inaugural (which was pretty darn good too).

Also Eisenhower's "Military Industrial Complex" speech was great, especially coming from the former Commander of the Allied Forces during WWII and coming at a time when the US was at the height of it's Cold War infatuation (for lack of a better term).
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:39 AM
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42. Eisenhower's speech was more prophetic than anything else...
It was good, but I wouldn't put it with Lincoln's. :)

Gave me goosebumps the first time I read it. Very prophetic.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:59 AM
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37. A speech, like today's, about race, and malice toward none: Lincoln's Second Inaugural
"Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came....

Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. 'Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh.' If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether'.

With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan -- to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations."
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:36 AM
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41. Yes, that may be it........N/T
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