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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:02 AM
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Hillary campaign memo: Lay off Wright
Clinton campaign: Yes on Rezko, no on Wright
by James Oliphant

The memo has apparently gone around the Hillary Clinton camp this morning: Lay off the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.

On a conference call Saturday to talk about the state of the race, Clinton campaign officials just wouldn’t go there.

“That’s really for Senator Obama to address,” said chief strategist Mark Penn.

So, before Hillary is accused of everything bad coming to Obama, you may want to consider actual facts. Or not.
http://politicalnighttrain.wordpress.com/2008/03/15/hillary-memo-lay-off-jeremiah-wright/

Mind you, this is hardly a Hillary friendly post - but I didn't have a more direct source. Those of you who do, please post it.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:04 AM
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1. Here's the link to the original post at the Baltimore Sun's blog:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:08 AM
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3. Thank you. Unfortunately it's the same tart take - I would have wanted someone
who just reported what was said without all the sarcasm and regret that there's one reason less to attack her.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:09 AM
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49. the memo..
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:21 AM
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57. was created by a DU-er as a "joke" on this very thread
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:59 AM
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62. Hell no. She wouldnt touch this with a 10ft pole. She doesnt have to, and it would only...
get her into trouble.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:06 AM
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2. I never thougt HRC was pushing this.
Obama's association with Wright is a matter of public record. It was always going to bite him on the ass at some point, and he was always going to have to deal with that.

HRC is wise to stay out of it. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole either, if I were in her shoes.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:11 AM
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4. Agree and good for you. I am seeing threads on it, with Skinner saying that there's
"no stretch" in spite of lack of evidence - so I thought it was necessary to shed some light on the matter. BO supporters seem to completely forget there is a GE in the making when identifying the source of attacks.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5153391&mesg_id=5153429
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:24 AM
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6. I thought the CW was that it was the McCain camp that put it out there?
I mean, I'm not going to lie to you --- I voted for Obama, and HRC is certainly the person who has the most to gain right now from this flap. I think that anyone who believes that this started in the HRC campaign can be forgiven for coming to that conclusion, just on that basis. But I thought it was the conventional wisdom that it was McCain's campaign that was reviving this.

I think almost all of us here are so embroiled in the primary that we've officially forgotten that there's a Republican candidate out there. I've certainly lost sight of that on more than one occasion.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:27 PM
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28. One can figure the source of the attack in the nature of such attack
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:56 AM
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11. Disagree. I would expect more from her along the lines of what
Obama's speech was getting at. She is not taking the high road on this and defusing the issue, she is taking advantage of it by being silent. Hardly statesmanlike or principled.

:dem:
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:25 PM
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27. What?
So saying nothing is now an attack? That's just plain twisted.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:38 PM
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29. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
So sorry she hasn't said something so her words can be twisted beyond recognition, if that's what you want. The whole situation is incendiary.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:04 PM
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31. you are right. I think want her to say something so they CAN twist it.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:47 PM
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39. They would also claim she's trying to steal his thunder and make it about HER.
When we know it's all about HIM. Only about HIM. Well, all about HIM and Rev. Wright.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:16 AM
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5. And Rove said their campaign wasn't involved at all with the swifts.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 10:19 AM by blm
The proof is in the pudding and in the swarms of proClinton bloggers pushing the crap out of the cherry-picked Wright transcripts.


Clinton bloggers spent more time listening to Wright's sermons than they ever spent examining BCCI report. And some of them claim that Wright was more dangerous to this nation than Jackson Stephens-GHWBush-Bin Ladens-Dubai and Saudi royals-AQ Khan-MarcRich-Adnan Khashoggi-James Bath's operations over the last few decades.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:53 AM
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10. Of course she was pushing it - but they are not so stupid to go on the record with it
It's ridiculously obvious.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:16 AM
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17. What is "ridiculously obvious." is you continousl IN-ability to look at facts!!
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:24 AM
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7. Does that include her internet paid staff? I don't think so.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:50 AM
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8. While that's true... She needs to reign in her supporters.
Apparently, on the day the story really grew legs, HRC supporters were filling the inboxes of all media outlets, and have continued to barrage them since. A quick trip & search at Hillis44 & MyDD will show you all the faux outrage and republican talking points you need to live and die by to be a true HRC supporter.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:37 AM
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21. I won't blame Hillary for her supporters...
Barack shouldn't have been blamed for Rev. Wright, so Hillary shouldn't be blamed for every inflammatory post that shows up around here.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:52 AM
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9. Doesn't seem her supporters got the memo.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:56 AM
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12. ABSOLUTELY right it should be off limits to everyone
Obama owns Wright...it is his problem

She cannot say anything about race, Obama made that clear early one, she should never utter a word.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:57 AM
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13. Sad, but so very true. If she utters a sound she's a RACIST!
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:04 AM
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14. nobody had to push the Wright story
it was a ticking time bomb and was known about in many circles long before it hit the media

including Obama, that is why he uninvited him when he started his campaign...so much for transparency


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:39 PM
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40. i know---it is beyond me that he held on so long
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:08 AM
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15. So now we're back to talking about conference calls on Saturday?
Of course they were not going to talk about Wright. It served no purpose since Sean Hannity, et al were talking about it constantly anyway.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:17 AM
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18. Did you miss the Thread today Where many Obamafolk are saying Hilling is push this story???
So now we're back to talking about conference calls on Saturday?

Of course they were not going to talk about Wright. It served no purpose since Sean Hannity, et al were talking about it constantly anyway.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:11 AM
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16. Hillary knows she will need the Black Vote so this is an EXPECTED strategy by her...
It's all a strategy..does she really want to lose the black vote entirely if she were to become the nominee....no way...it is territory she cant afford to lose. This is an obvious thing she was going to do.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:13 PM
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34. And, of course, you believe
she doesn't have an ethical bone in her body. It all is strategy.

I mean, I agree it would be unwise to get involved in the Wright controversy, but you and others sharing your opinion are getting pretty tiring with your predictable Obama=good, Hillary=bad mentality.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:18 AM
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19. REC
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:19 AM
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20. robbedvoter --Thanks for taking the time to post this.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:47 AM
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22. Here it is!!!


:evilgrin:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:49 AM
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23. cute - and too close to the truth
Is that yours?
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:12 PM
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24. ,
:hi:
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:15 PM
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25. No doubt in my mind this is a sample of things to come for Barak. He should have been more careful.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 08:16 PM by kikiek
The republicans are hot on his trail now. Hillary will be blamed for everything though. Just like the 90s and beyond.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:23 PM
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26. What did Wright say, that was so different from what John Lewis said in his hey day?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:03 PM
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30. k and REC
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:09 PM
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32. k
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IrishBloodEngHeart Donating Member (815 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:12 PM
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33. she doesn't have to push it, the right wing media is enraptured by it
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 09:12 PM by IrishBloodEngHeart
I'm sure this would have been part of the "kitchen sink" if necessary, but the right wingers beat her too it (im not saying she is a right winger, just saying both she and the right wingers want to see Obama's campaign destroyed"
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:13 PM
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35. K&R n/t
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:19 PM
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36. Go Hillary!
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:22 PM
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37. I guess Lenny Davis (Clinton Surrogate) missed that memo:
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:22 PM
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38. Hogwash!
Hillary is behind everything! Hillary is pushing this because she is an evil hateful person.

:sarcasm:

:P
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:42 PM
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41. I have never thought that this came from Hillary
I have always viewed this as a right-wing slam. She's right not to get involved, as I'm sure that whoever brought this issue to life may end up wishing they hadn't. She is a very smart human being. I have no doubt she was as moved by his repsonse as any of us.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:31 PM
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42. Transparency is a 2-way street
    Transparency, of course, is a two-way street. The campaign was asked again whether it would release Clinton's tax returns, something Obama has been demanding for months. Penn said the returns would be released "around April 15." When pressed, he pledged they would be made public before the Pennsylvania primary. The Obama camp has been saying returns will shed light on the various sources of income for both Hillary -- and especially Bill -- Clinton.
Around April 15... sure.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:33 PM
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43. Lay off?
Does that mean that they were pushing it at one point, and now they can lay off?
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:00 AM
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44. I think you were pushing it.
That's what somebody told me.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:42 AM
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45. Here's the memo. Please explain. Thank you Robbedvoter!
Looks like they want to push the issue that has been so divisive. They are sick. And if that's the kind of campaign that you support after what you heard (if you heard it) last night, than I don't know what to say about you!


Here's the New York Times article about it. You might want to get this to your little blogger link....because I certainly will. You've been hosed!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/us/politics/20memo.html?_r=3&hp=&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1205978784-DYODfocUf%20PREVvCwoyFsg&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin&oref=slogin




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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:49 AM
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46. Um, as the author of that particular memo, I would advise you
to take it with a grain of salt...
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:48 AM
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52. lol, so you're the leak
;) nt
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:11 AM
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56. Which would be funny if not for it being taken seriously and spread all over as gospel
stating with this very thread...
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:45 AM
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58. No, it's still funny
Funnier, even.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:57 AM
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61. WOULD YOU LIKE STUFF like this passed around related to BO?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:01 AM
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63. Luckily, I have the poster directly above on ignore
So I don't have to look at their stupid fucking commentary.



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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:33 PM
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65. so you created this hoax?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:18 AM
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50. You missed the evil grin emotacon at the base of the post you copied this from
It is a good piece of political satire though.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:24 AM
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51. From your link


...

Finally, Mrs. Clinton’s aides hope that disclosures about Mr. Obama’s past like the one involving Mr. Wright could give superdelegates’ pause. Mr. Devine said he thought that at least in terms of Democratic primary voters Mr. Obama had turned the furor to his advantage with his speech on race.

“Obama, confronted by an issue that was boiling, seemed to wade into it with a speech that was in many ways profound,” Mr. Devine said. “As a result, now these people who were so interested and awakened by his candidacy are back with him again. Instead of this being a setback, it becomes an opportunity.”

But the audience now is as much the Democratic superdelegates, who are especially attuned to politics and questions of electability in the fall, as it is rank-and-file voters.

Mrs. Clinton’s advisers said they had spent recent days making the case to wavering superdelegates that Mr. Obama’s association with Mr. Wright would doom their party in the general election.

That argument could be Mrs. Clinton’s last hope for winning this contest.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5168167
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:08 AM
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54. In light of the author's response to you, I guess it's a morality tale on how rumors
against Hillary get started
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5154644&mesg_id=5168080
I remember one about a gift list at Neiman Marcus - came from a similar MoDo joke...
That we should even need to discaim this on a matter that's entirely personal to Obama and on the RW agenda for over an year is a testament to the merging of the extremes in attacking Hillary.
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Huge Ego Sorry Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:58 AM
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47. Hey, Here's A Crazy Idea...
Instead of "yes on Rezko, no on Wright," how about giving me a reason to say yes to Hillary. Instead of trying to pick between negatives on the other candidate, why doesn't her campaign give me a reason to to vote FOR her instead of against Obama?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:09 AM
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48. here's some facts..
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:10 AM
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55. and here's the author claiming his copyrights:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:56 AM
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60. So-you are passing around FAKE Penn Memos
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:50 AM
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53. This attack only mobilizing repugs against dems.
It only backfires if a dem played it against another dem. Hillary knows this obviously, and so is avoiding it.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:31 AM
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59. K & R : ) (nt)
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:56 AM
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64. Remaining silent on the issue is not a denunciation of the smear...
...and there was never a safe way for the Clinton campaign to address it. The courageous stance, the real moral high ground, would have been to condemn the attacks and distortions.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:07 PM
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66. OOPS!
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