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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:58 PM
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The Real Risk Obama Took
I posted this in General Discussion, where it got locked for being too primary-y. I hope I am permitted to repost it here. First time I ever had a thread locked, so I guess Obama is truly the candidate of change.

We watched Obama's speech over the Internet last night--all 38 minutes of it. Because there are going to be a million people out there addressing the content, let me tell you why listening to that speech has convinced me that although he is certainly a politician and certainly calculating his words in order to win, Obama is at the same time in a different league altogether than the politicians we've been getting used to for the past 10 years.

After Edwards dropped out my partner got out Dreams of My Father and read it, figuring that since we were going to have to support Obama we may as well learn something about him. She reported that the book was interesting because it showed Obama thinking about race in an unusually nuanced and complex--and therefore actually useful--way, and that she was afraid that becoming a presidential candidate would force him to abandon that project and embrace the same crude, binaristic, distorted paradigms that shape the way the media and the political establishment talk about race.

Last night, instead of performing the "Sister Souljah moment" that the media were clearly demanding from him, Obama did something completely different. He laid out for anyone who felt like taking the time to listen a new paradigm for dealing with racial issues in America, one that actually takes into account the enormous complexity of this country's racial and ethnic makeup, the failures of American history and democracy, and the links between racism and forms of economic injustice that I have long despaired of hearing any American politician, let alone a viable presidential candidate, address in any kind of useful way. Instead of just stringing together a bunch of sound bites that would defuse the manufactured political crisis du jour, Obama took his 38 minutes--an eternity in the world of broadcast news, though it's about ten minutes shorter than the average lecture in the average college classroom--and he actually taught people something.

You know how we talk about not letting the other side control the terms of the debate? That's what that looks like.

It is a major risk, in today's media environment, not just to depart from accepted political cliches, but to take the time required to address an issue as complex as race in a productive way. I heard someone once attribute to Einstein the aphorism, "I believe that a theory should be stated as simply as possible--and no simpler." For the past eight years, and even before that, everything stated in the political arena has been stated much, much more simply than possible. Indeed, Bush's policies, like his speeches, indicate that he is completely incapable of grasping complexity of any kind. The 24 hour news cycle has generated a media culture that is well-matched to Bush's infantile approach to grown-up problems; anything that takes longer than 30 seconds to explain, so the conventional wisdom runs, simply cannot be said on television. And certainly it's not a good idea to introduce actual thought or new ideas into a campaign speech. Campaign speeches are about sound bites, and about footage of your crazed supporters cheering wildly.

Well, that wasn't a campaign speech. That was a presidential speech. It is headed not straight to cable news networks, but to high school classrooms, to rhetoric and composition syllabuses, and to the history books. It is the first successful attempt by a twenty-first century politician to define the inequalities that still fracture American society and to link racial injustice to the other forms of psychic and material oppression experienced by the vast majority of Americans--because of the consolidation of economic, political, and cultural power in the hands of 5% of the population, because of this morally insane and economically ruinous war, because of the spinelessness of lobbyist-owned politicians who think it's more important to keep the health care industry happy than to keep their constitutents healthy, because the manufacturing economy that sustained the working class has disappeared and because the middle class is severely threatened. It is the kind of thing that most presidential candidates either cannot do or will not do because they consider it too dangerous to ask Americans to listen to anything they haven't already heard, or--heaven forbid--to think about what they're hearing.

This particular speech was not punctuated with the same wild audience enthusiasm that you typically hear at an Obama event. That's not because they weren't feeling it. It's because they were actually listening to what he was saying. And that's because they knew that something important was happening, and they didn't want to miss it.

I cannot tell you that Obama is the next president of the United States. Anything can happen. But that is the kind of speech that a president of the United States *needs* to be able to give. And it took a lot of courage to give it, because he was taking a risk that almost no contemporary American politician has been willing to take. He told people something completely different from what they were waiting to hear, and he took his time doing it. It was a major gamble, and he should be applauded for making it.

I sure hope it works.

Because if it does, it won't just mean that Obama wins the nomination and/or the general election, or even that an Obama administration, should we be vouchsafed one, would actually go after the structural problems he elaborated. It will mean that Americans have figured out that we need to get nuance and complexity and intelligence back into our public life. It will mean that enough of us have figured out that while President Homer may be hella sympathetic and immensely entertaining, he's a disaster on the job. It will mean that Americans have had enough of being talked down to and patronized, and that they are willing to rise to the challenge that speech presents. It will mean the end of the Age of Rove.

Dare we hope,

The Plaid Adder
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:00 PM
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1. Dare we hope? I dare. We have to.
The other options are too depressing.

Very well written. Rec'd.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:02 PM
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2. K and R
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:03 PM
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3. What she said!
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sorrybushisfromtexas Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:05 PM
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6. thank you for your thoughts
They are mine also.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:04 PM
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4. kicking
more folks need the opportunity to read this.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:04 PM
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5. You are such a gifted writer! Thanks, Plaid Adder, for
crystalizing how important this speech was. Rec'd!
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:06 PM
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7. I'm looking forward to a State of the Union that is delivered by a statesmen
for a refreshing change.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:06 PM
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8. K&R
:)

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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:08 PM
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9. I'm so glad that you posted this
Your writing is wonderful.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:09 PM
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10. fabulous read, thanks. rec'd. nt
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:13 PM
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11. I saw this posted in GD
and I have no idea why it needed to be moved, other than it was about Senator Obama and his speech.

Sigh.

Plaid Adder is no mere poster, but a DU legend. One of the reasons I first joined was the regular column that was written and posted here by such a fine author and commentator.

Anyway, thank you for penning another great observation on the happenings of this old world. Hope to see more in the future.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:15 PM
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12. Well said, Plaid Adder,
well said.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:16 PM
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13. speech started poorly but was quickly excellent - Obama is a great speaker - but it
did not explain why he sat in the pew for 20 years of hate - others left - why didn't he - he was a friend of Wright and Obama is said to be able to "bring us together" - he showed no such skill in that church - or he chose to make no attempt because he wanted their votes.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:29 PM
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20. 20 years of hate
Can you cite other sermons besides the ones on the news that prove that "hate" was preached in every sermon? Isn't it possible that the most controversial comments were selected by the media for maximum impact? How come nobody has yet credibly placed Obama at even a single sermon in which "hate" was preached?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:05 PM
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32. The other sermons include many that are worse - pick up a DVD from the church
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:18 PM
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35. Have you done so? do you have examples?
Let's get this out now, while the controversy is still going on. I know you are a Clinton supporter, but I assume you want Obama to win in November if he is the nominee, so if you have any additional inflammatory statements that the press has not seen, please get it out now so we know what we're dealing with.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:35 PM
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36. Yes....I'm sure the media went with the less incendiary comments
*rollseyes*
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:38 PM
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67. Obama staying in his church.
I have read and listened to people questioning the reason Obama sat in his church for 20 years. I worked in an office where I was the only black person. Daily I had to listen to racist remarks from people that had never met a black person. I can tell you from discussing race with them for 9 years that all of them had friends, neighbors and relatives that hated black people and made racist remarks at every turn, yet none of them ever rejected, denounced these people. I on the other hand have had to educate black people I know, because most of them think white people are racist, yet I have never rejected or denounced them. People need to get real, we need to stay around these people to try to influence them in a positive way. I had a Great Grandmother that was white, until the day she died she would talk to her son, but not his wife, her Grandchildren or her Great Grandchildren because we were black. To this day I feel sad for her because she missed out on a lot of love but I don't hate her because she wasn't able to get past the racism of her time. People say it's different because you don't choose your relatives, I say it is not. Blood doesn't make it any easier to take.
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frogbison Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:51 PM
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70. Welcome
to DU, ej510!
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:10 PM
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106. Prove the other sermons are worse
I think you are just making this up.
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:34 PM
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22. ... actually he did a very good job of explaining
you may have listened to the speech but you obviously didn't understand the nuances. I think after decades of 30 second sound bytes it could be difficult for some to pay attention to one thing for 40 minutes.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:38 PM
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26. 20 Years of ***HATE***?!! HOLY FUCK!!!!
I'll be eagerly awaiting the transcripts/audio of those TWENTY YEARS OF HATE filled sermons. Geez! Gold mine! Why are you sitting on this?
Shit, Obama's toast!
C'mon, let's hear it!

I mean even Obama's *pledged delegates* will switch over to Hillary once you play them the TWENTY YEARS OF ***HATE*** sermons!

:yourock:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:06 PM
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33. pick up a DVD from the church - they are more "impressive" live
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:19 PM
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107. and how many DVD sermons do you have?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:49 PM
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53. Who said "others left"? Linky? I've never seen
that in print. Did it ever occur to you that a lot can be learned by listening to those kinds of sermons as well as the regular sermons? Sometimes even more. Every idea worth its salt has tasted both sides of an issue..it's the only way to come to a conclusion that has merit.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:40 PM
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68. Hmmm, I heard the exact same thing from Sean Hannity today.
:think:
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cameozalaznick Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:48 AM
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104. Perhaps Obama can see that Wright offers an opportunity...
not to judge and condemn which is not the province of man, but of God. If you truly hate Hate, then how can you hate the Reverend? Is he not worthy of God's love, no matter what he might say?

Matthew 5:46 - If you love those who love you, what reward will you get?
and 5:47 - And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others?

In other words, it's very easy to love those who love us. But the challenge is to love those who do not appear to love us.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:16 PM
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14. That's a very good analysis. Obama did not deliver a "political" speech.
I think that's where many people miss the boat in their analysis of it. He didn't go for the applause line or the "Amen" section. He simply went out there and was real with the American people, with the belief that they could handle it. Some people interpreted that concept as "talking to the public like they were adults." I think that's accurate.

He didn't have anything to really gain from such a speech and he had a lot to lose. There were those, even in his own camp, that didn't really want him to "go there." But he went there anyway and I think we're better for him taking that risk. I think his words connected with people in the way a leader has not connected with the masses in a long time.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:22 PM
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15. Kick- must read
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:24 PM
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16. Congratulations on one of the best posts I have ever read. nt
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:24 PM
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17. K&R
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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:27 PM
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18. Absolutely concur!
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 01:31 PM by madamesilverspurs
After years of wince-inducing mispronunciations, malaprops, creepily mixed metaphors, misplaced sick humor and drunken umbrage -- let's just say that a return to meaningful oratory is a very, very welcome change.

It will be interesting to see how long it will take both public and media to make the adjustment to hearing comprehensible speech delivered by a literate speaker.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:28 PM
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19. always glad to read plaid
Haven't had enough uninterrupted time to listen to the speech and give it my full attention. Will have that time tonight, and I look forward to it mightily.

Box of tissues for tears of joy and hope? check

Bottle of wonderful vintage for afterward? made special walk to the store just for that

Flicker of hope for all I have worked for in my life? Yes. Finally. Again. Renewed and re-energized.

The first verse of my favorite song ends:

'and crown thy good
with brotherhood
from sea
to shining sea"

Brotherhood takes understanding, empathy, and trust. Trust takes inspiration and evidence of intent. Vision starts with seeing accurately.

Nothing good can be done without trust in each other. We go no where without vision.

Flicker of hope. Tend it. Nurture it. Fan it to power.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:33 PM
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21. Great read...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:34 PM
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23. Dare we hope, indeed!
I'm glad you had to bring it over here, PlaidAdder, I might have missed it otherwise.

Thank you for your views on Obama's speech that eloquently layed out that Obama did what he had to do and the hell with the m$$$m and the fascist wing operatives.
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:35 PM
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24. very well said, Plaid Adder and I am so glad that you reposted this
I don't understand why it was locked. I don't see anything inflammatory or hateful about it, just a nicely worded assessment of the speech from a great man. Thank you.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:38 PM
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25. Beautiful.
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:42 PM
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27. k&r - think about this as a added note:
what a great commentary. I agree with everything you said and was particularly thinking about the challenge this speech poses to the the evanescence of the contemporary American media-fed mentality. As another note, On Charlie Rose a couple weeks ago, Charlie had a group of European economists, philosophers etc. on (I forget their names, hadn't heard of them before) and they all agreed that America has always been distinguished by a particular and singular ability to reinvent itself. I've been thinking a lot lately that the opportunity seems here but will the nation as a whole take it, seize it? You've identified one on the fundamental means necessary to begin a new chapter in the complex progress of our nation's history, lest the digression take hold and stick, and I appreciate the time you took to work through it.
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PurgedVoter Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:44 PM
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28. K & R
It was Alternet that got me to start reading the internet blogs. It was you Plaid Adder that got me watching the Democratic Underground. Thank you.

I share your hope!

This is a great moment, when a thoughtful speech is being understood as a thoughtful speech. Maybe we are sick and tired of bullies winning. Maybe a few more of us have grown up beyond a third grade mentality. Maybe enough of us have been fooled long enough that it is time for thought.

Gandhi said, "When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS."

I am hoping that that fall is now.

I share your hope!
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:53 PM
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29. Thank you for a great post. k&r.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:54 PM
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30. I don't understand...
...why this great post was 'locked' in GD, instead of being moved to GD-P. Threads are continuously being moved to the 911 dungeon or to the lounge, but this got locked? :wtf:
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NYDem Observer Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:54 PM
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31. K&R
Amazing post, I agree 100% with everything you said.
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K-Check Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:08 PM
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34. Print that final paragraph in gold -- well said.
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:56 AM
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99. i agree whole heartedly - nt
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:40 PM
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37. after edwards dropped out you never considered supporting clinton? nt
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:41 PM
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38. Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what we can dare to hope for our country.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 02:41 PM by PerfectSage
Gobama!
Go Dean's 50 State Strategy!
Go Grassroots!
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atal Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:57 PM
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39. .. ops
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 03:01 PM by atal
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:58 PM
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40. Out of nessesity Obama made a Race speech...2 nights before, he told the MSM and us..HE NEVER
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 02:59 PM by indimuse
heard that kind of talk..anything like it!!! Well, this was all it took...now everybody and their brother were going to try to find Obama on tape, at service during one of Rev Wright racial/anti Ameriacan rants. He knew the MSM would pay tons of $$$ to anybody that could/would deliver the goods. There is the real reason for damage control..
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:19 PM
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66. Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race & Inheritance-published-1995; reiterated yesterday
Contrary to what you say, the speech wasn't written yesterday... its central focus was written more than 14 years ago. The man, his values, and his beliefs are consistent. The central thesis of his "race speech" (race and race relations within the US) is set out in his book "Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race & Inheritance", published in 1995.

By making Wright and his personal feelings/beliefs the central focus, the MSM and the RW of this country presented Obama with a brilliant opportunity to share his deeply held convictions and views on race and race relations in this country. And regardless what some espouse here and elsewhere, Obama's stance on this issue "needed" to be shared. It's long past time.

You can buy the book http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400082773/ref=pd_cp_b_0?pf_rd_p=317711001&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0307383415&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0AZ96EGS4D28DKGA1188">here if you care to learn more.

Peace out.
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atal Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:00 PM
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41. I joined DU to thank you....
.... for your amazing assessment of Obama's speach...

I too am an Edwards supporter leaning towards Obama, though I'm still on the fence.
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:11 PM
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71. Welcome to DU. Glad you joined.
You sound like a much-needed voice of reason :-)

I, too, was an Edwards supporter.

Wat
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atal Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:03 PM
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79. I kinda feel intimidated
by the Obama supporters...

Anyhow, it's not going to deter me from asking for answers to my nagging questions about Obama.

Thanks Wat :)
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:17 PM
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83. Don't judge DU by what you see in the GDP forum.
It's always extra-crazy on DU during a Democratic presidential primary.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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bluescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:03 PM
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42. Dare we hope? The audacity!!!
I dare hope.

Thank you, Plaid Adder. Welcome back.
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:19 PM
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43. Quoted for truth...
This particular speech was not punctuated with the same wild audience enthusiasm that you typically hear at an Obama event. That's not because they weren't feeling it. It's because they were actually listening to what he was saying. And that's because they knew that something important was happening, and they didn't want to miss it.

I noticed that too. It was unusually quiet, the the punctuated applause was brief.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:22 PM
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44. K & R
:thumbsup:
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:51 PM
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45. Well said . . .
. . . and yes, we dare, no, we must hope.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:06 PM
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46. I dare to hope. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:07 PM
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47. Alerting.

Kidding.

K-ing & R-ing.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:12 PM
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48. I only hope he'll grow to apply that same nuanced paradigm
to understanding the middle east conflict, rather than recycling right-wing-hate-radio-speak!
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:17 PM
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50. yup..
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:18 PM
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64. Loved the speech yesterday, but that one-liner was a kick in the gut.
He's got a lot of work to do in that area.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:55 PM
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88. Yep. It was one of those "Hey!! He had a hat" moments for me as well
Just channelling that Jewish grandma in the joke about the drowning grandson saved by divine intervention. I get like that sometimes, and thought Obama's speech was pretty fantastic overall.

But I did get tripped up on the "view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam."

Good lord. Do Americans of all races now have to unite behind the imperial conquest of Middle East energy resources? That's mostly Britain and the US, of course, not Israel (which has a pretty minor tagalong role here). Imperialism had quite a bit to do with slavery in the past, which is its link with the topic of race in America.

Promoting religious bigotry is quite a useful imperial tool. The jihadi textbooks of the Afghan mujahedeen were written in the US. Iran was a secular democracy in 1953, and the US and Britain overthrew their government--no radical Islam there until our cat's paw suppressed every other opposition venue. US policy in the 80s was to prolong the Iran-Iraq war as long as possible by constantly changing sides to keep them roughly matched. If the various people living in these countries had some religion other than Islam, it would undoubtedly be invoked to justify hatred for the forces that are constantly fucking with them.

Oh well. Given our current situation, I suppose a strong anti-imperial stance is something that you really shouldn't expect of a presidential candidate that makes it through the establishment vetting process. But there is plenty of other stuff that needs to be done, and if all people Obama is inspiring stay active beyond the election maybe we can get around to the imperial thing eventually. If only because we can't possibly afford it and still deal with everything else.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:15 PM
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49. Obama seemed to both take up the "Straight Talk" cause that McCain has long-since abandoned ...
... but also seemed to be taking-up MLK Jr's nearly forgotten theme that America's problems of poverty and inequality were not race-centric but a challenge that needed to be confronted together.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:21 PM
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51. K&R
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:24 PM
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52. Right On, Adder!

The real straight-talk express is the Obama train!

I'm on, baby. I'm audacious! Hopeful!

Fired up, even!!

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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:49 PM
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54. Those who insist Obama's speech was "new" or "political theatre" should read "Dreams From My Father"
Thanks for this. :)
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:52 PM
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55. I am pleased to be able to add its 100th rec, maam
This is very well written, concisely yet eloquently constructed and deserves to be read far and wide.

And, as an old and unrehabilitated hope fiend, I will dare now as every I have dared. Lets encourage others, I say, to do so, too.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:55 PM
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56. Well said!!
Phenomenal post. Kudos for having captured the real risk Obama took. Hope there are people around who realize that tearing him down is like tearing the social mish-mash fabric of America down. He is a living example of the American dream, and no though I support him I don't swoon over him. He is an extremely smart politician and I am sure he has done stupid, corrupt things. But he is largely a BETTER human being than the other 2 career politicians. One who will do anything to get what she thinks is her due and the other belongs to a party that feels exactly the same way. Is it any wonder they LOVE each other.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:59 PM
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57. I would like permission to send your OP to some of my friends. nt
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:27 PM
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72. Go ahead, but post a link to the DU thread so DU will get the traffic.
eom

The Plaid Adder
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:03 PM
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58. "The Anti-Sister-Souljah-Moment"
That's what my own boss called it. A Republican, a conservative, but an honest one, a good man, a reasonable human being. He was blown away by the speech, and watched every minute.

He said the thing that impressed him most was that Obama, in the face of the hysterical callings for Wright's head, refused to toss aside his friend.

"It was everything opposite what you'd expect from the Clintons," he said.

Excellent post, Plaid. Big K&R for you. And I'm daring to hope, too.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:07 PM
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59. I've been written half a dozen posts about the speech...
and now I can stop trying. You pretty much got everything I've been trying to find a way to say down clearly and expressively. I usually don't agree with everything anyone says in a post of that complexity; heck I don't even usually agree with myself when there's that much to keep lined up.

Not the case this time: Nice job, kudo's.

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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:09 PM
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60. excellent KR
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:13 PM
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61. ok, so I have to rec it again.
There are worse things. :)
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:15 PM
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62. How Will Sound Byte Media Play This?
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 05:16 PM by crankychatter
I turned off the cable because we can't even get msnbc or comedy central here... and have to pay extra for cspan1.

I watch online though and PBS' McNeil-Leher did the most slipshod and biased analysis I've ever heard from them, last night. They were worse than CNN.

That's MY concern. If the people are allowed to hear this without being told what it means by McCain and Clinton backers... if they can get it unfiltered... the race should be over.

At this point I should tell anyone interested, thank goodness for MSNBC. I don't love them but it's the only unfiltered access a non-online voter can get regarding the Obama message. AND, it's actually possible there to hear an articulate, and reasoned analysis of events.

If the corporate media deanscream or moonbeam ANY candidate like they've done with Obama, that's the best reference to me.

Unfortunatly Clinton supporters just can't see it.

This contest IS NOT ABOUT RACE AND GENDER. This contest is about the Corporately corrupted DLC led by HRC, VERSUS a mild progressive that is trying to lead the Party, EXPAND the Party... put out the tentstakes to include the Progressive Majority.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:15 PM
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63. I told my partner last night
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 05:19 PM by libnnc
as we watched the bobble heads on the tee-vee attempt to dissect what Obama said...

I told her that his speech marks the beginning of a new era. THAT'S how big a deal it was.

It was no ordinary, everyday politic-stumping oratory. Barack Obama's address was the convocation of a new age of racial understanding in America. And we witnessed it.

How fucking cool is that?

edit a couple-a times for clarity and stuff like that there..
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:18 PM
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65. You're right, PA. I hope we have the good sense to snatch him.
Most of his positions are too conservative for me. That doesn't change. I don't like them or agree with them or with his caution.

But, as a thinker, as a leader, as a person I'd trust my kids to in a crisis, I hope we have the sense to grab him.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:57 PM
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89. Well, maybe some of the people he is now inspiring can push him on his positions
Worked on FDR, no?
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NickMorgan Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:50 PM
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69. Thanks for this amazingly articulate piece. Dead on.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:54 PM
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77. I couldn't agree more... and welcome to DU!
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 06:55 PM by Raster
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:30 PM
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73. Error: You've already recommended that AWESOME thread.
It's wonderful to see you again. Maybe I just didn't notice, but this is the first time I've seen you here in god knows how long.

It's nice to see you back. :hi:
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Oslo Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:39 PM
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75. Bill Maher's comment on America's knuckleheads
On today's Hardball: "We have Americans who think that race problems in this country were solved when Bill Cosby got his own show."
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:43 PM
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85. I haven't been around much lately.
I don't have as much time to piss away on the Internet as I used to. But I turn up once in a while.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:38 PM
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74. Yes, the missing element is language. Let's have more...
...eloquence and nuance before our people forget what that is. We're all thirsty for depth of character and intelligence. Obama just delivered the goods. He's won me over, and I was *not* an easy sell!

Thanks for a great post!
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:40 PM
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76. K&R - you are a lovely writer!
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:56 PM
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78. Absolutely
It was a piece of history.
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:05 PM
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80. Terrific Plaid Adder. K&R. n/t
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mhoran Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:08 PM
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81. Another exceptional post!
Thank you!
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:15 PM
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82. Like the Einstein quote PA
I agree it is hard to imagine getting much "simpler" than the simple chimp.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:21 PM
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84. A fine post indeed!
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:55 PM
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86. That pretty much sums up my thoughts when I heard it. The word that....
...came to mind was courage. In this short attention-span age, the very idea of what he was casting, took courage. To make people think - what to some are uncomfortable thoughts - took courage. And, yes, both of those things, are a political gamble in this country.
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toys4kitty Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:04 PM
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87. Thank you for putting my thoughts into a highly coherent post
:kick:
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:06 PM
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90. Dare to be different he does. "The end of the Age of Rove" - I
love the sound of that. Thanks Plaid Adder for another thoughtful, articulate post.
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:20 PM
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91. He respected us
and that, to me, felt "presidential." They were the words of someone who will cut to the bone and share some tough truths even if it's not politically expedient. It's been so long since I felt respected by a leader on a national stage that the effect was breathtaking, in addition to moving. But that's the kind of approach I've felt in Obama for some time now. Yesterday just sealed the deal forever.

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trickyguy Donating Member (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:22 PM
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92. I congratulate Barak on taking the risk
and helping us all see the race issue and many others in a different light. This is exactly the kind of
intelligent and refreshing approach he will take to the presidency. I feel it in my bones.

This is a great post and thanks Plaid Adder. I'll dare with you.:think:
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:52 PM
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93. Your post has influenced me to do something nothing else at DU has done today.
First thing when I wake up tomorrow I'm going to watch the speech. Thank you. Recommended.
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:04 PM
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94. Mighty fine post! Mighty fine, indeed! Nominated. -nt
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:15 PM
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95. K&R
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:52 PM
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96. You are an inspiration.
Thank you for that. needed it...
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:27 AM
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97. Thank you
This thread made my evening. K&R
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:43 AM
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98. Nicely said
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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:42 AM
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100. right on!
I wish I could say stuff good like her.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:25 AM
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101. America deserves what it votes for. We'll see if Americans have it in them....
... to actually vote for something worthwhile, for a change.

I'm not holding my breath, but it's good that others are more optimistic.
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List left Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:40 AM
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102. If enough people actually listen.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:42 AM
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103. It's been seen by 1.8 million on Youtube
That's a start.
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:39 PM
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105. That's it right there.
He acted not like a politician but a statesman. He presented us with ideas and asked us to consider them. I didn't think there was any way he could explain away his association with Wright, but he laid it all down. He didn't apologize and he didn't excuse, but he explained. He knows a man, not a caricature. The man is racist, but he has good qualities as well. The issue of race was dealt with perfectly, as was the issue of his association with Wright. Most of all he presented us with truth. He asked us to consider the real difficulties that we are presented with. I only wish he would deal with the "Hussein" meme the same way. This is very much the opposite of what we have seen from Obama so far. This is the substance he has been so sorely lacking for the past year and a half.

You have nailed it as always, Plaidder.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 06:43 PM
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108. I want to keep this kicked for a bit longer. I have talked about the speech every day
since he made it and I am still amazed he was brave enough to face this head on like he did.
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