Fox News to be the pool cameras at Our convention?

[The Wielding Truth]

Yes, it's been decided that our Democratic National Convention images will be in the hands of Fox News. http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/johnschlegel/CJfj
There takes will go to all the major networks.

Well, knock me over with a feather! I heard it on Air America last night.This # was given to call.

720-362-2130.

I did and left a scathing message with my name and #. I was referred to this #:

720-362-2006

which I called and asked why. It was confirmed and I was told that it was a consensus of "networks" decision. I said it is our decision and we will not allow it. She was curt and said she would pass on the message.

What!!! How could we give one of our most valuable campaign tools away to a corporate machine that does it's best at every turn to hurt us???

Well, YOU must call too and find out how to change it. Get what you can from them and let them know what a mistake this is.

I'm furious and incredulous. What fools Fox must think we are, and how they must be laughing at us!

This broke in September and nothing has been done to change it.http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2007/09/fox-news-to-provide-convention-pool.html
Look At the date on this post; edited July '04 What is happening here??http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2070754

This seems to have been watered down. We don't need foxes in our dem house.:grr:

[mythyc]

1. k&r. I am shocked and appalled

and will be calling both that number and my congresswoman

thanks for bringing it to my attention

[SteppingRazor]

2. That post at demconwatch raises a good point, though:

"While I agree that Fox News is very partisan, the post at OpenLeft shows little knowledge of how a pool works at a convention. The pool is there to provide standard shots - especially shots of the podium. There is no need, and actually no room on the camera stands, for each network to provide their own camera to give the same unmoving shot of the speaker. More importantly, each network provides its own cameras for its own shots, and each network does its own production, choosing when to use its own shots, and when to use the pool shots. Also, the pool does not provide any graphics, commentary, or anything close to any editorial discretion. There's really no way that Fox providing the pool coverage could affect how the convention is covered."


To some extent, I have to agree with this. Pool cameras are there to provide standard shots, and all the other networks and news outlets will then take those shots and edit them however they see fit. So, it's kind of tough for the pool camera to affect editorial outcome.

[The Wielding Truth]

5. And the picture goes out when Obama speaks or the shot at

Hilary's appearance is one of a girl who looks identical to Monica. You think they are above this stuff?

Then technical problems with the any moving progressive speaker and that is lost to the major networks.

Why do that to ourselves?

[SteppingRazor]

8. They have to be above that stuff.

In a choice between active destruction of the Democratic National Convention and continuing to be counted as a legitimate news network, they have to choose the latter.

And by legitimate, I don't mean that they're "fair and balanced." rather, I mean that if they deliberately screw up pool coverage of the Democratic Convention, they're on ice. They won't get pool coverage from any of the other networks on other events, they'll be frozen out of participating in pool coverage, and so on, because they'll have just screwed over all those networks.

Fox News may be deliberately partisan, but they're not about to destroy themselves over one Democratic Convention.

[Hissyspit]

10. They are not above that stuff.

"they're not about to destroy themselves over one Democratic Convention"

I wouldn't put it past them for a second.

[SteppingRazor]

11. And give up dozens, nay hundreds, more opportunities to sandbag the Democrats in the future?

I gotta say, I just don't find it likely. People like Roger Ailes may be a lot of things, but one thing they're not is stupid.

[Hissyspit]

15. I understand what you are saying and it's good that you bring it up.

And you are right, they are not stupid. So I would not put it past them to try and find some way to manipulate the pool footage and still try to come across looking squeaking clean.

It would be difficult, but we need to watch them like hawks.

[SteppingRazor]

17. I suppose that's true.

And, really, if they did manipulate pool footage in any way, I think it would backfire tremendously. It would have all the other networks angry at Fox, and they would thus get hammered across the bored. Their status as a "news organization" rather than purely an "op-ed organization" would be called into question. Hell, I'd almost hope they DO screw with pool footage. It'd be fun to have a pissed off mainstream media on our side for once. (I did say "almost.")

In any case, I do think you're right. Folks should pay attention to how pool footage is sent, if raw footage is publicly available. (It usually isn't, but there's always ways to get it.) Any fuckery could easily be used against the propagandists at Fox.

[The Wielding Truth]

12. They have to?? Who polices them now? They are notorious

for slanting news, out and out lying, using images to mislead, censuring and using RW propaganda as fact.

Are you that naive? If you can't see the problem I'm surprised you won't vote for all the lovely things that the GOP have brought our way.Fox should be off the air. They should definitely not be our representative in our party doings,showing their hatchet job through all the major networks to the home viewers.

This is serious. How long can we give them a pass and say they must be good, because they are still there.
Looks at * and his followers they are still there. Does that make them legit?

[SteppingRazor]

16. I think you've misunderstood my point.

It has nothing to do with whether Fox is conservative or not or how they slant their news. If Fox News were to fuck with live feeds from conventions, they would be fucking with the video supplied to other networks, and no one likes their bread and butter shat on before it's served, especially in the world of high-end mass media. Politics doesn't even enter into it.

[The Wielding Truth]

20. Fox is political. They will mess with the feeds. They have

done it before.

Why take the chance, and give them that opportunity? They have not earned our trust.

If you want to invite Fox News in your house, don't be surprised to see an expose' on your bathroom habits that evening.

Hey, that's not political and they would still do it.

Ask John Kerry how political they aren't.

[TooBigaTent]

13. Assumption is that the other networks are impartial. What network is not owned by

a righwing corporation? Why would the other networks "punish" Faux if "random errors" slip into the feed? they are all in it together - Faux is just a little more blatant.

[The Wielding Truth]

22. Why make it easier to hurt us?

[Breeze54]

14. But the damage will have already been done!!!

:grr:

"...I mean that if they deliberately screw up pool coverage of the Democratic Convention,
they're on ice. They won't get pool coverage from any of the other networks on other events,"

:eyes:

[SteppingRazor]

18. Yes, but...

the damage to Fox would be greater than the damage to the Democrats, and I think the folks at Fox are well aware of that.

Anyway, I've spent an awful lot of time on this thread actually sticking up for (bleecchh) Fox News, and that wasn't my intent. I only wanted to raise the point made at demconwatch. One way or another, we'll know how this pans out in August. And in the end, I'd be willing to bet that pool footage goes off without a hitch -- except for the hitches added by the producers and pundits at the various news outlets, of course.

[ColbertWatcher]

3. Okay, this is different...

...than what was said yesterday.

Yesterday, people were saying FOX had an exclusive on the convention. This is different.

Not better, but different. I wonder what the policy for outside cameras is going to be?

[global1]

4. Are We Going Out Of Our Way To Lose This General Election?.....

First HRC supporting McCain and now this. I just can't believe it.

[The Wielding Truth]

7. Please call and get this changed.

[dembotoz]

6. it would be funny if it was not so sad

look for lots of interview of people who look like idiots.

You know....the fool from wisconsin wearing a cheesehead....

[The Wielding Truth]

9. My hope is that the DNC can reject it and the networks will

have to choose another _of our liking_ or be shut out and they could not loose the revenues.

This convection will be too hot for them not to be in.

[Cha]

19. Can't Dean stop this

obvious shite?

[The Wielding Truth]

21. He probably would if it were brought to his attention.

He is not part of this process but he could probably put pressure on.

Hope you called and let the DNC know how you feel.