Patience Obama Supporters - This Nomination will not be won based on todays polls, not even close!

[FrenchieCat]

The false propaganda is surging; but that's about it.

Polls that are just now measuring the actual "Wright" fall out from the endless loop-d-loop replay of Obama's pastor. Obama's numbers will be back up by next week.....and in some polls are already showing a upward rise.

And don't buy this BS that White people won't be voting for Obama in the GE. That's just more racial divisiveness brought to us by Hillary supporters and the Paid for Media Pundit know nothings (Pat Buchanan is an admitted racist; Joe "dead Intern" Scarborough was a Republican hack before he had his own show, and Lou Dobbs is just a pompous asshole Repug immigration freak playing on our fears) crying gloom and doom for Obama, cause that's all they've got.

Please understand that our electorate is not as dumb as what it used to be. Folks are thinking more and more for themselves, and aren't swallowing whole the Media/Hillary/McCain "talking Points" attacks.....which is why Hillary/McCain folks are repeating them over and over again, hoping that the same kind of cheap and tawdry politics that worked in getting us into Iraq for 5 years, will work now with their exaggerating hyperbole "the sky is falling on Obama" bullshit.

So know that although Hillary "bloggers" and "operatives" and "pundit heads" are trying mighty hard to influence the news cycle and the board with their "Polls of the day", these polls mean very little in the larger scheme of things....as we can all point to polls taken 5 weeks before any primary, time and time again, and those poll numbers have very little to do with what happened in the end.

Also remember that McCain has a Manchurian candidate problem and a Pastor problem of his own. Plus he has his own Keating 5 problem, his Wife was a drug addict & thief problem. McCain also has an age problem, a "I don't understand the economy problem", a "in Iraq forever problem", a temper tantrum problem, a Lobbyist up the Yang-Yang problem, and he bigger still, he has a Bush problem. In other words, Obama can and will beat John McCain.

Hillary Clinton has a pledged Delegate problem, a Tax return Problem, a fund raiser problem, a permanente negative favorability problem, a questionable "experience" problem, a lack of a statesmanship problem, a voted for Iraq problem, and a few others "Hillary supporters are afraid to death as to what will come out" problem :scared: that will be highlighted as the weeks come and go.

The Clinton Operatives will soon realize that, as much as they wished, they weren't able to character assassinate Obama. And as determined as they have been, if they can't do it, McCain supporters (who don't like him anyways, and so the won't have the energy to do what Hillary supporters, who are currently whipped up to a frenzy are attempting to currently do(, it won't be done.

The Dems will end up nominating a leader and a statesman, and that ain't Hillary Clinton.

Obama will be the next President of the US.

Please write LTTE's to various newspapers, go to Obama.com and make calls, and donate, donate, donate! We want him to have had a good March month in fund raising.

Believe me, have patience, and keep kicking and Recommending the positive threads on Barack Obama as often as possible, and don't answer so much in those negative threads about Obama that Hillary supporters keep coming up with. They can only try to win (and they still won't) by bringing our guy down, cause they can't really lift their gal up.

So just remember who the future President will be,
and get inspired and motivated....cause Obama is the real thing!

[CountAllVotes]

1. If my 75 year old Irish brother-in-law is voting for Obama

you know the tide hath turned!

:kick:

[buff2]

2. uh....

:spray: :rofl:

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

69. how fitting for a Clinton supporter to be mocking and belittling

guess you learned that from Hillary "kitchen sink" Clinton. Nothing but class! you must be proud!

[gabeana]

3. Great Post

point being Obama is still in the stronger position

[LSparkle]

4. We haven't gotten a poll since the race speech ... his numbers will go up

Also, today HRC released her WH schedules, and reporters will be poring over them for
the next few days. Already news coverage is reminding me of the '90s (and is probably
doing the same for other voters) ... Do we REALLY want to go back there? She thinks
that pointing to her WH experience will help her but in actuality I think it only
reminds people that she's a figure from our PAST, not the leader we need going into
the FUTURE.

[SoFlaJet]

9. The guy is coming off about

a week of non-stop bullshit press and videos of his Pastor going crazy-I ain't worried LS

[saracat]

12. I wouldn't bet on the hard working middle class being imopressed with that speech kicking his

grandmother to the curb.

[tekisui]

14. He embraced his grandmother in spite of her contradictions.

[movonne]

28. Does it seem like these people are just making up stuff...and

quoting the WSJ and faux news...both owned by Murdock...and it seems like they don't care how wrong they are..are these the ones that were told by hillary to go out on the blogs and push her...I wouldn't care if they did but at least get what they say right...

[saracat]

31. Gee, he almost liked his grandmother who raised and supported him as much as his minister.Almost.

But not enough that he stopped at labeling her a bigot in public. Wright , on the other hand isn't a bigot because he is black and his anger is more acceptable than her fear. He should not have included negative remarks about his grandmother no matter what else he said

[buff2]

42. He's as big a racist as his radical

"preacher".He showed the world that yesterday. Dragging his grandmother into this fiasco for political points is despicable.

[FrenchieCat]

72. You and Rush Limbaugh and Hannity think so......

Normal people believe this was one of the best speeches that they have heard.

Guess y'all are wrong...considering the company you keep.

[GoldieAZ49]

55. that is the dichotomy of his comparing the two key people in his life

Wright and his hateful anti white views are exactly what would make his grandmother want to cross the street.

[buff2]

15. That was really weird

Oh wait...it was his white grandmother he kicked to the curb.Never mind.

[Qutzupalotl]

29. He said just the opposite.

That he couldn't.

[movonne]

32. Will you stop making up stuff...don't you have positive things to

say about hillary???? instead of lying about Obama...

[buff2]

37. Uh-huh

Hillary is better than NOBAMA,is more intelligent,has more experience and she actually LIVED in the White House. That's something NOBAMA will never do. GO HILLARY!!!

[Qutzupalotl]

41. She wasn't intelligent enough

to see that she was being set up on the war.

[VolcanoJen]

17. That's a rather snobbish, elitist attitude you're carrying around.

What evidence do you have to back up your claim that the hard-working middle class listened to that speech and took nothing from it other than "Obama called his grandma a racist?"

I mean, honestly. Did you take a poll of the hard-working middle class this morning, or are you just channeling Pat Buchanan?

[Asia Expat]

48. What evidence do you have that the hard-working middle class even listened to the speech. nt

[VolcanoJen]

51. Oh, I'm sure you're hoping they didn't.

It says a lot about you, but, nonetheless...

As a hard-working member of the Ohio Middle Class, I just finished a 90-minute lunch at an old-fashioned diner, and my friends and I were marvelling at eavesdropping on all the "Obama speech" talk that surrounded us. Very diverse downtown crowd.

Nothing scientific, but it really is kind of laughable to suggest that over 24 hours later, nobody except a handful of "Obamaniacs" at DU listened to his address.

[Asia Expat]

53. What says a lot about me?

Not everybody has the time to listen to Obama damage control.

Or the luxury of 90 minute lunches.

[VolcanoJen]

54. Luxury?

I'm paid by the hour, genius. :-)

[FrenchieCat]

19. That is how desperate you are.........to bring up his honesty about his grandmother.

How sad is that?

[CountAllVotes]

23. I call it HARD UP

and that is exactly what such a statement like that is - HARD UP - willing to do/say anything to change the current.

:(

[movonne]

38. Do they think this will make us feel better about hillary...to lie about

Obama...I guess they really have nothing to say...

[death to the DLC]

27. Not worried,

the post-NAFTA working class ain't what it used to be.

[NOLALady]

34. Is that all you got out of his speech?

He said he loved her in spite of the fact that she was afraid of black people.

The hard working (and some not so hard working) middle class who cannot understand his speech are not too bright. They will get what they deserve if they vote for McCain. Then of course, they will not be middle class for long. They can then blame their losses (jobs, homes, health care) on the black and brown people, while refusing to take any responsibility for their choices.

[Laelth]

67. Ain't that the truth.

What's sad is that you're right. They will probably do just what you suggest ... once again vote against their best interests.

:(

-Laelth

[Bigleaf]

5. He already has it in the bag. She's toast. I'm not worried at all.

The Supers won't dare fuck over the people who have spoken.

[Adelante]

6. Eyes on the prize

NO distractions. :thumbsup:

[saracat]

7. You seem nervous FC.Why is that? Is only a poll! BTW, this is the same electorate that elected

Bush so don't be so sure of their lack of "dumbness".Don't you ever watch those man in the strret sections where you can clearly see how dumb most are? And BTW, that was by the design of the GOP and they WILL vote in November, and they vote in waay greater numbers than the Dems.

[FrenchieCat]

13. If you knew me, but since you don't.........you'd know the only problem that I have is

that you can't even rationalize in a potent way any kind of rebuttal for what I have stated. So in actuality, you have the problem.

But keeping hoping that people are as racist as you wish they were....cause again, that's all you've got.

[saracat]

25. I am not a racist and I an getting damn sick and tired of anyone who does not support your

candidate being called a racist. Your candidate has introduced this concept of everyone who disagrees with his campaign being labeled "racist" and it is disgusting.

[buff2]

30. WTF are they going to do when NOBAMA loses???

They will go completely berserk. :scared:

[Qutzupalotl]

40. Hunt flying pigs?

[movonne]

44. Well by you post here it sure sounds like a racist..maybe you

should sit back and look at what you are writing..it just sounds dumb or racist....take you pick...

[buff2]

45. Everyone in here is a racist

if they don't worship at the feet of Obama.

[FrenchieCat]

59. No....only those who's only hope is that a racist nation will be the reason

a Black man is not elected. From all indication, that would be you.

[saracat]

64. Yes because everyone knows there is no such thing as a black racist!

Everyone who dislikes Obama and everyone who dislikes Wright are not all racist.

[Laelth]

68. I hear you.

Please hear me for a moment.

I don't think you were called a racist. Literally, someone suggested that the American people weren't as racist as you wanted them to be. Perhaps that is an accusation that you are racist too. Perhaps, or perhaps not. But that's not what was literally said. At the very least, what was literally said was rude because I don't believe that you want anyone to be racist. And because it was rude, I hear and understand your anger.

But think about this for a moment ...

Obama is the first Democrat to run for President who can't be Willie Horton-ed. I don't think Obama "introduced this concept that everyone who disagrees with his campaign" is a racist. I don't think he did that. But, just look at what a weapon that will be in the GE against the Republicans. If everyone who attacks Obama is perceived as a racist (and the people attacking him are Republicans), we win. We (Democrats) win.

It's that simple. Obama's teflon is stronger than Ronald Reagan's for this very reason. If nominated, he will be a very strong candidate.

Just something to consider.

-Laelth

[saracat]

74. And we will lose as a nation.Talk about winning at all costs.

I would rather not win if accusing people of racism for disagreeing with a candidate choice is acceptable. I don't even distinguish between parties on this. It shouldn't be used as a tool for either side.

[Laelth]

78. Thanks for taking the time to consider what I had to say.

Peace. :toast:

-Laelth

[jenmito]

8. Thanks for pointing that out! K&R...

I'm not worried. Yes, he's down now, but even "down" for him means beating Hillary by fewer percentage points than before. PA isn't for 5 more weeks. Obama will be seen as the brave, intelligent man he is and his numbers WILL rise again by then.

[McCamy Taylor]

10. Clinton has operatives and Obama has...what? Operatives, of course.

That was what Axelrod was when he was telling Huffington Post that Hillary would "do anything" on the eve of Obama's unity speech. He didn't want Obama's supporters to forget that they hated Clinton in the joy of their Kumbaya moment.

Man, the way that language gets abused around here. Everyone is a budding little Goebels at DU.

[goldcanyonaz]

16. No, Obama has Jesus on his side...

[buff2]

20. I thought HE was Jesus

The second coming. :evilgrin:

[gabeana]

33. No Hillary has Jesus on her side but not to help the "meek"

referring to her membership in the Christan fellowship

The Family avoids the word Christian but worship Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the "meek." They believe that, in mass societies, it's only the elites who matter, the political leaders who can build God's "dominion" on earth. Insofar as the Family has a consistent philosophy, it's all about power - cultivating it, building it, and networking it together into ever-stronger units, or "cells." "We work with power where we can," Doug Coe has said, and "build new power where we can't."


"the Family takes credit for some of Clinton's rightward legislative tendencies, including her support for a law guaranteeing "religious freedom" in the workplace, such as for pharmacists who refuse to fill birth control prescriptions and police officers who refuse to guard abortion clinics."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html

[my3boyz]

11. I'm not nervous of upset AT ALL

The Hillary hags can post all the polls they want to post. Post national polls from the top to the bottom. It still does not change the delegate math. Have fun Hillbots!!!! :)

[buff2]

46. You are only helping McCain

by supporting NOBAMA.

[Skwmom]

18. The Clinton campaign would have you believe that the majority of working

class whites in OH and PA are racist. I do not believe this. Clinton is getting the white working class vote b/c of the Clinton name and the myth over the Clinton good years. If this was the case, the Republicans wouldn't be joining with Clinton (the unholy alliance) to try to tear Obama down (they would be falling all over themselves to make him the nominee).

I am also sick of the stupid illogical arguments they make to build up Clinton and tear down Obama (which really speaks volumes about what they think of the average voter - they are stupid).

With all of the free positive media press Clinton gets, Obama needs all the money he can get.

Divide and fight each other . Unite and fight together to get this country back on the right track. The choice is pretty easy.

[Vinca]

21. Polls seem to take about a week before there's anything you can

point to as having been caused by a catastrophe or a success. They're down a little this week because of the scandal du jour, but will rebound next week from the speech.

[totodeinhere]

22. Besides that, Obama is still doing fine in most polls anyway.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5157824&mesg_id=5157824

[hell-bent]

81. Oh, is that right?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080320/ts_nm/usa_politics_gallup_dc

[Arugula Latte]

24. Good post, Frenchie Cat.

:thumbsup:

[Catherina]

26. The speech he gave yesterday converted even more people

Barack is rocking the house!

[Upton]

35. The polls are really not that bad

considering what's been going on the last week, but he has got to stop the bleeding soon. Hopefully, the speech turned the trick.

[uponit7771]

36. If Obama changes the subject back to Iraq Hillary and McCain will be on the defensive & peopel wont

...care

[Zodiak]

39. Thanks for the thread

Makes the race-baiters come out of the woodwork so I can deftly put them on ignore. Three on this thread.

Bottom line...this whole pastor thing is an attack from the right based on race. No one on DU should be running around trying to put Obama's head on a pike for this crap, especially post-speech. The fact that some have really speaks volumes to me about their level of progressiveness.

True progressives do not put on Republican hats when convenience suits them.

[stillcool]

43. Thank You FrenchieCat..

and thank you for reminding me to Ignore the baiters that are promoting the scorched earth strategy of fanning the flames of division.

[ClayZ]

47. K and R

[cboy4]

49. lol

:spray:

Awwww. :hug:

lol

[BumRushDaShow]

50. Kick and rec this baby!

:kick:

[jconner27]

52. Why do you have to lie?

If Obama is all the things you say he is, you guys wouldn't sink to this level.

[FrenchieCat]

73. My parents raised me to believe that "lie" was a bad word, unless

one could actually prove it. You haven't proven anything...cause, point if fact, you don't even make sense! :shrug:

[Cha]

56. "Obama's the real thing"! That's

what I told our Black Green Mountain Coffee driver, yesterday, at work, whom I hadn't seen for a couple of years 'cause I don't ever work on Tuesday anymore except I had to cover someone, .. when I said "so, Obama?" He said, "I thought so until this Pastor thing came up"..I was roiling inside but just told him that "Obama made a speech today for the ages on race, Wright, and America that takes our country to a whole new level that's actually higher". "We can't let the m$$$m control who we get for president anymore".

"Obama is the real thing and he is going to be our President!"

[Mme. Defarge]

57. Don't forget

her "elephant in the livingroom" problem -- pun intended.

"Hillary Clinton has a pledged Delegate problem, a Tax return Problem, a fund raiser problem, a permanente negative favorability problem, a questionable "experience" problem, a lack of a statesmanship problem, a voted for Iraq problem, and a few others "Hillary supporters are afraid to death as to what will come out" problem that will be highlighted as the weeks come and go.+

[slinkerwink]

58. I'm tired of the politics of division

[cooolandrew]

60. Exactly it took me a while on the kicking malarky seems veyr effective. =)Beautiful post cat.

[cooolandrew]

82. kick

[AntiFascist]

61. K&R, there are also reports that...

media reporting is being influenced by campaign money. This is really sad, but I also feel that the American people will see right through this for what it is. How much more M$M bullshit will the people tolerate? This how Bush got elected twice (stole 2 elections and got away with it), this is how we got into Iraq, this is even, largely, how vulnerable people learned about the "advantages" of sub-prime mortgages. If people are stupid enough to continue listening to the M$M then our nation is doomed, but I think they are starting to wake up.

[workinclasszero]

62. I hope you are right

I mean the freaks who listen to Pills Limbaugh, Hannity and the rest of hate radio were never friends of Obama anyway. Shit I expect Pills and Hannity to be leading a KKK march on the dem convention because of the foaming at the mouth attacks on Obama they are spewing daily.

I fear for the future of this country if these fascists have their way.

[otohara]

63. Kicking

Cuz I Can

[Bonobo]

65. No, indeed. It is a real movement. Neither will assholes on a BBS harm it.

[RBInMaine]

66. Exccellent Post !

[BumRushDaShow]

70. Kick it

:kick:

[Kahuna]

71. The pundits are being disengenuous when they point out that 36%

of indies are affected by the Wright saga. 36% of indies are wingnuts. There are left leaning indies and right leaning indies. That 36% never intended to vote Democratic in the first place. And the number of dems they cite that are affected are hillbot sore losers.

[FrenchieCat]

75. Yep. But they aren't any better at math than the Clinton camp is.....

They are so wishing, till you can see them turning Blue.

[quantass]

76. You're still the level-headed smart thinker Frenchie...nt

[AgadorSparticus]

77. it just goes to show the desperation to take him down. I'm more convinced of it everyday.

[Umbram]

79. I agree. Desperation has a horrible odor and this place reeks of it lately. (nt)

[Voice for Peace]

80. Thank you. Keep these kinds of posts coming. nt

[gayron]

83. Obama is not the real thing, just real fake.