Is Obama's racist granny still living?

[IndianaJones]

I'd like to hear her side of the story.

[DJ13]

1. I would rather hear how Chelsea feels about being pimped

:shrug:

[ej510]

2. Yes she's alive but very ill.

He will not tell the media where she resides.

[ericgtr]

12. As well as he shouldn't

some of the blood suckers here would bust down her door. The title of this thread shows all some of the Hillary supporters care about is hating others at any cost. Isn't there a republican site you guys can join where you will get more support for your beliefs?

[NDambi]

27. Lol..chelsea the pimp and pimpette's child..

[Bluebear]

31. Shame on you

[Mags]

35. they will say and do anything to win.

[11 Bravo]

40. More classy shit from another uplifter and unifier.

[helderheid]

46. UGH

:eyes:

[Beacool]

76. Another a-hole Obama supporter!!!

What a surprise.......NOT!!!!!

[roguevalley]

111. beacool, what a great post. you truly know how to front your

candidate.

[Pringles]

96. Wow.

That was ugly.

[Dinger]

103. Sick Post. Nice Unifying Spirit. (SARCASM)

:sarcasm:

[Dinger]

104. NDambi

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. The OP Didn't Make Any Sense

But neither did you...

Bill Clinton never said "my daughter is a whore"...

[indimuse]

68. I say..interview Obama's children to see how they feel about "White America"

You know Obama being so concerned about our youth and parenting...just sayin...

[Dinger]

102. Is That You David?

Flamebait. Alerted too.

[jaysunb]

3. Yes she is.

She still lives in Honolulu, and I don't understand why you think she's a racist. :shrug:

[usrbs]

42. I thought she was dead. This really disturbs me

I had no problem with Obama talking about his grandmother's racism because I thought she was dead. I even praised his speech. Now I feel sick. He really shouldn't have done that. He could have just said there were people in his own family, not go into specifics.

[IndianaJones]

43. he is a panderer. thats what they do. nt.

[Drachasor]

47. How do you know he didn't talk to his grandmother about it first?

[tigervalentine]

50. He didn't call her a racist.

And he reported her fear of some black men that she encountered on the street in his first book, published in 1995. Doubtless she knows of that and is probably a bit enough person not to be upset by it. Possibly, she's as good a person as her only grandson and has no objection to letting the truth be known.

[jackson_dem]

109. Yes, and Obama himself wrote that he had that fear in the past too

Why wasn't that in the "candid" speech? Maybe he should have should have talked about himself instead of throwing his granny under the bus.

[shayes51]

61. exactly right

[mythyc]

67. o god get off your high horse with your flea comb.

have you addressed one of the larger issues?

I'm willing to bet that if his grandmother released a heart felt message saying she approved of his use of her for a higher purpose, one that actually embraces her meaning to him, that still wouldn't be enough to you. Then it would be look at how he's manipulating poor ole granny.

don't you have anything better to do? I personally would much rather NOT let racism remain an unspoken accepted norm within my family. whatever, your snippy niggling useless crybaby gasp gasp anything to ~~~~condemn~~~~ your opponent means nothing. enjoy the hypocrisy, and the comfort it affords you in the convenient slide away from actual, substantive progress. you wallow well within it.

[Name removed]

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[MattBaggins]

99. yeah because being hush hush about it

is the way we have done so well so far.

You just don't get it do you? The whole point he was making went zipping past the top of your head faster then an F-16.

Why should he disown the Black community when there is as many stupid things said and felt on the other side.

Just like at work hearing people being "funny" saying "Happy James Earl Ray Day". Just sort of laugh in that awkward uncomfortable way and then walk away silent about it. Then I come on here and here Hillary Dems telling me I have to give up on Obama because "Happy James Earl Ray Day" folks won't vote for him.

ding ding ding clue train coming your way.

[FyurFly]

4. She was tossed under the bus yesterday so...prolly not

[SeaLyons]

:thumbsup:

[stillcool]

30. I like how you all pick and choose...

and twist and turn words to fit your agenda. Obama "cringed" at words is Grandmother used when he was a boy. I'm really happy that your Parents or Grandparents have never said anything that you've disagreed with. Actually it is apparent.

[Ronnie]

100. I cringed at a lot of things people in my family said when I was growing up.

But I never used those words to further my agenda. It's a family loyalty thing. Plus, they changed over the years as they got to know people of other races. Using his grandmother that way ruined an otherwise moving speech. We sat there transfixed, until he said the grandmother part. That part made me very emotional - and not in a good way.

[QC]

45. It sure is getting crowded under his bus!

First all The Gays, and then Paul Krugman and Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame, and now we have to make room for the Reverend and Obama's granny. It's pretty packed under here!

[Drachasor]

54. My 89 year-old grandmother has said things that have made me cringe

That doesn't mean I disown her. That doesn't mean I don't love her. That doesn't mean I am tossing her under a bus.

People close to us don't always agree with us. In fact, they sometimes say outrageously ignorant or stupid remarks. We don't disassociate with them because of those remarks, but we don't agree with those statements either.

[rucky]

56. how so?

[salbi]

95. She wasn't tossed under a bus, he told the same story in his book

[Bitwit1234]

5. The posting of hate for Hillary has been the norm

for this whole darn campaign...BUT you can't say a thing about the other candidate...

[DearAbby]

9. delete post wrong place.

[tekisui]

6. Obama embraced his grandmother in spite of her contradictions.

I don't understand why some HIllary supporters think what he said about his grandma was off-base.

Grasping for straws, I presume.

[helderheid]

48. It is ASTOUNDING to me.

[hedgehog]

57. Actually, it explains a lot. Only people with such poor listening skills

could prefer Hillary to Obama!

:evilgrin:

[myrna minx]

93. Yesterday I read posts referring to her as 1) "hapless grannie" and 2)

"tortured gandmother". This must be the new attack front.

[dionysus]

7. pathetic as per usual...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. I'm sure you'd have much to agree on.

[IndianaJones]

11. sorry...to use your terminology..I'm a gook. nt.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. No, that's John McCain.

You know, Obama's opponent.

[IndianaJones]

15. oh yeah....you were mimicking McCain with that one. I forgot. You probably love us. nt.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. You mean the one where I quoted John McCain?

"I hated the gooks. And I always will hate them."

-John McCain

Like that? No, that's not mimicking, that's a direct quote.

It's either Obama, or that.

[IndianaJones]

it was kind of a joke...and you didn't mention McCain, but given all you have in common with the man

I'll have to take you at your word.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. Link?

:shrug:

[cali]

10. not me. I want to hear what Hilly was doing

while Monica blew bill. We now know that hilly was at the White House. Do you think she was watching?

And don't howl, because your OP is just as disgusting and you started a thread on it.

[stellanoir]

14. Yeah she's 84 and it's totally unfair to call her a racist.

My mum is one of the sweetest women in the world.

When I was a kid she's make remarks about uppity ______________ (a group of immigrants from a Mediterranean country).

It drove me nuts.

They were generally really hard working people and have for the most part done well for themselves and many were my friends.

My mum was the product of social stereotypes under which she was raised.

I corrected her every time and now she's very open minded.

A racist wouldn't have put that much love into a multi racial child. They would have insisted they be orphaned if not worse.

Consider getting a grip.

[cooolandrew]

16. This is disgusting I am bi-racial and been ther too you don't denoucne family SICK

[IndianaJones]

20. she's not my family. isn't she a racist? nt.

[cali]

24. Back to hilly

Do you think she gave permission to bill to fuck around with Monica?

[Seeker30]

33. Maybe you should give it a try

Might calm you down a little.

[ellacott]

25. No she isn't

[DearAbby]

17. I dont believe this

HAVE YOU NO SHAME? Attacking the political views of Obama is fine, but you took it further to attack an old woman.

[RYOMYO]

19. I believe there was some unpleasantness involving a bus.

n/t

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

21. I was born and raised in his grandfather's hometown - El Dorado, Kansas

Dad was a Republican who finally had enough of Reagan and was prepared to vote against him in 1984, but he died in 1983. Mom was an FDR Democrat. My sister, fellow DUer Bullwinkle925, was married to a Chinese American for 33 years before his death last October. It took a while for my parents to accept Larry because his being Chinese made him "different" and therefore "scary." When they got to know him, they saw what an incredible person he was and grew to love him.

I am the baby of the family. Once Bullwinkle asked my parents what they'd do if I married a black man. They were shocked and thought it would be the most horrible thing. This from my mom, the FDR Democrat. When Bullwinkle asked if they'd like it better if I married a white man who beat me up than a black man who was good to me, they preferred that I marry the white man. Can you believe it? But this is that generation. Dad was born in 1908; Mom in 1925 - she'd be the same age as Obama's grandmother, I believe.

Ironically, I married a Pakistani guy - go figure! My parents died in 1983 and 1987, so they never got to meet my husband, but he definitely has treated me well and has done so much to give me a wonderful life. I just wanted to relate this story because this is where small town Americans of that generation come from.

I wish I could meet Obama so we could compare notes.

[Dbdmjs1022]

22. It's a generational thing!

Look, I love my grandparents. But I've heard each of them say racist comments at different points in my life. These people spent large majorities of their lives in a world where that view and language was not only accepted but in some cases encouraged. I'm not defending these comments at all, and it makes me cringe to hear them say it. But if you spent 60 years of your life in a racist world you'd have a hard time changing at 85 too!

[Oilwellian]

23. This thread takes the cake

It couldn't be more vile. If she were racist, she wouldn't have helped raise Obama. Attacking an elderly woman shows more about YOUR character.

[Lucinda]

26. I think several have missed your point.

[BlooInBloo]

28. You go do your counter-top research. Classy.

[stillcool]

29. Newsmax....

Has been all over it for a year now. Check here for talking points:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703290011


Thu, Mar 29, 2007 5:39pm ET

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Anti-Semite Andy Martin in NewsMax: "Free Obama's White Grandmother"

In a March 28 column for NewsMax.com titled "Free Obama's White Grandmother," "Internet journalist" Andy Martin wrote that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), whom he called "one of the most racist politicians in America today," has "locked the grandmother who actually raised him away in a closet," adding: "he 'segregation' of Madelyn Dunham, Obama's white grandmother, and only real grandmother, has to be one of the cruelest and most mendacious political kidnappings this nation has ever seen." Martin wrote that Dunham "is the 'Prisoner of Obama,' and of Obama's racist myth that he is 'Black' and not 'Black and White.'

[aka-chmeee]

32. He seemed to me to make the implication that it was racist for

his grandmother to be uneasy at the approach of a black man on the street. I grew up in rural Kansas during the 50s and 60s and bought into the civil rights movement wholeheartedly. My time in the Army and the ensuing 40 years of experience has tempered those beliefs a bit. So that now,(depending on context and the street) I too will feel increased alertness in the same situation. It's not racism, it's awareness. See

[ElsewheresDaughter]

37. exactly

[SemiCharmedQuark]

51. What do you mean by "exactly"?

Are you honestly suggesting that avoiding black men in the street is not racism?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

55. She's saying it's OK to be afraid of black men.

She's quite clear.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

59. my daughter while in college in Albany ...she was beaten to a pulp and hospitalized by AA girls when

her car broke down.

so yes I have fear.

My daughter is now a high school English teacher in a Queens NY where almost of her students are AA and she loves them.

yes I have fear

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

60. Well there you go.

That really says a lot.

Thanks for coming out like that.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

63. are you suggesting that my fear for my child safety makes me a racist?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

65. No.

Your fear of black people makes you racist.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

69. okay Kreskin....we are total racists.........

now go f#ck yourself






.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

71. There's really no way to talk your way out of this.

The "I've got lots of black friends" thing is really rather pathetic at this point.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

73. !

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

74. You're really only digging yourself into a hole, you know.

Not that I think you should stop.

http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/

[ElsewheresDaughter]

78. !

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

79. :o

[ElsewheresDaughter]

80. @%$&.....

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

82. Yeah, he didn't like black people either.

But he's white, so I guess you don't have to worry about him.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

83. LOL but you sure have a handle on his playbook

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

84. You're clearly mistaken.

I'm not the one who's frightened of minorities and then tries to weasel out of admitting it.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

86. no you're just a damn bully and have earned 1st ever on my ignore

I'm not being rude. You're just insignificant.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

87. I'm a bully?

You agree with racism, you post obscene pictures, and cuss words, and accuse me of being a nazi, and I'm the one who's being a bully?

:rofl:

You're projecting.

[Pringles]

105. No more pathetic than

"I voted for a black president" or "I'm white and I really do feel your pain and empathize with your anger". It's all condescending and back-handed racism.

Guess what? You can vote for Obama and tell black people that you agree with their anger, but you're still white; you're still a racist by virtue of profiting in any way - socially, monetarily, in your education - on the backs of slaves. It won't work. Obama is not going to offer himself up for your sins. You are white; you are racist.

[MNDemNY]

98. So, then. Obama's Grandmother is also a racist?

[loveangelc]

88. so if two white girls beat your child up would you be afraid of white people...?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

89. Meh.

I wouldn't assume it ever really happened.

[Pringles]

107. Absolutely. Yes.

White girls of a certain socioeconomic group and within similar certain situations.

[blogslut]

108. That explains so very much about you

So very much

[SemiCharmedQuark]

49. I run away from white men since most serial killers are white males

On Edit:

Seriously. Are you kidding? You are describing a classic case of racism.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

53. Sorry, no.

Being afraid of black men is a textbook example of racism.

I find your, and Elsewheresdaughter, attempt to defend it to be quite amusing.

[woolldog]

70. Why are you surprised by this?

I mean is this the first time you've read her posts?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

72. I said amusing.

Not surprising.

[walldude]

38. Dr. Jones... Dr. Jones

Archeology is the search for fact... not truth. If it's truth you're looking for, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall.

[IndianaJones]

41. thats good. nt.

[Seeker30]

39. I believe this is her after she got out from under the bus

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

44. Doris Lessing was viciously attacked on DU and she is even older

The 87-year-old Lessing, who grew up in what is now Zimbabwe and whose first book was about race relations in South Africa, said she believes that if Obama is elected President he will be assassinated.

This Nobel Prize winner, who has seen and experienced almost a century of racial conflict throughout the world, and who was banned from returning to South Africa because of her stance against apartheid, was thoroughly denounced on this board as a racist, senile, irrelevant old hag because in her estimation, Senator Obama is at risk of falling victim to the racial hatred that has barely changed in her lifetime.

So, attack an old lady? Lots of DUers have, so don't pretend it's horrifying.

Attack a candidate's grandmother? I don't see the point. And I don't agree with the OP's characterization of her as a "racist granny." That's offensive bullshit.

FWIW, I thought invoking his grandmother was the high point of Obama's speech, the point most likely to resonate with the most listeners.

[redqueen]

66. I missed that...

I read one of her books and absolutely LOVED it.

[dcindian]

52. See non progressives just don't get what Obama's speech was about

Grasping concepts pretty tough to do through those Neodem glasses.

[polichick]

58. Flew right over their heads - scary to think they are Dems at all!

[npincus]

62. BO didn't call her "racist"- it sounds like the speech went right over your head.

[ecstatic]

64. The entire speech went over your head. It's convenient to label someone as "racist"

but it's more complicated than that. He even said that of Ferraro.

We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias.

But race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore right now. We would be making the same mistake that Reverend Wright made in his offending sermons about America – to simplify and stereotype and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality.

The fact is that the comments that have been made and the issues that have surfaced over the last few weeks reflect the complexities of race in this country that we’ve never really worked through – a part of our union that we have yet to perfect. And if we walk away now, if we simply retreat into our respective corners, we will never be able to come together and solve challenges like health care, or education, or the need to find good jobs for every American.

[goodgd_yall]

77. You can say that again. n/t

[newborn]

75. Obama gave his grandmother a low blow. He used her for political purposes

Why pick an ailing woman as example of bigotry?

[Faygo Kid]

85. No, he pointed to his own family as reflecting America. It was great.

"Newborn" indeed. They are really sending you Hillary posters everywhere on the web, aren't they?

[rainbow4321]

90. He relayed this story LONG before this prez race/racial issue (in his book)

It was in his autobiography about her being scared of the AA man approaching at a bus stop . Per his book, it was his grandfather who told him about it becuz, Obama couldn't figure out why she wanted to be driven to work by her husband one day instead of taking the bus. IIRC, the conversation was first that she was scared of some panhandler asking her for money around the bus stop and then after his grandmother left the room, the grandfather told him the race of the individual. The next few pages have him trying to come to terms with his grandparents who loved/raised their AA grandson and his grandmother's reaction to the panhandler.
It's probably pretty SAFE to say that she/the grandfather/his family were well aware of this situation being made public before the book was published---he mentioned in the opening of the book that his mother read what he wrote before he published it.

Some posters in this thread are acting like he just pulled this out of thin air and his grandmother had no idea it would be made public.

Why not credit the guy for being honest?? How many of us in this thread would want to write a book/talk about THEIR family dynamics/childhood memories when they were growing up..ALL of them.
Not me.

[salbi]

97. He said something that a lot of white people can relate to..

I'm a middle aged white grandma with bi-racial grandchildren. I admit to some trouble relating to the pastor's comments. That is not the world I grew up in. But as much as I hate to admit it, I can relate to his grandmother. My grandchildren are my world. I don't care what color any of them are, they are mine, and I couldn't love them more. But, there have also been times in my life, when i have been driving through an AA neighborhood in Chicago at night and have been afraid stopped at a traffic light. I was raised with don't go in neighborhoods where you don't belong at night. I guess part of that is still in me. I don't consider myself a racist, but I can relate to her fears. It's not something that is easy to admit, but it is the truth.

[MattBaggins]

101. Right over your head.

Because it is the truth. Can you comprehend this simple concept. The past few days have all been about pointing fingers at Black churches and accusing Obama for not disowning them; yet we all know damn well the dirty little secret in all our families and communities. We all have family members/friends/co-workers who say stupid things that we either pretend to ignore or justify internally.

[marshall]

81. At least Bill Clinton's mother and grandmother were dead

when Hillary blamed them for his constant adultery.

[Mezzo]

92. to speak nothing of the African Man who ABANDONED him, like he's doing in Michigan

Hillary's a democrat too, asswipes.

[cali]

94. your post is disgusting

par for the course from the likes of YOU. You are what you call others here. It's an apt self-description. Perfect for you in fact.

[TeamJordan23]

106. Grow a brain. He never said or implied she was racist. nm

[Bonobo]

110. Who said she was racist? Oh yeah, you did.