Mcain is now leading, playtime is over, its time to unite the party behind Obama

[Joe the Revelator]

Its the only way to win in November. This bullshit self-serving ego trip that Hillary is on needs to end. The infighting needs to end. The "GOTCHA!" bullshit needs to end.

This primary season needs to end, so that we can focus on the only prize that really matters.

[LaurenG]

1. OK

:hi:

[BeyondGeography]

2. The spineless Dopeycrats are still intimidated by the Clintons

and their band of power-driven hacks.

Our mutual torment will continue.

[babylonsister]

6. Sure seems that way, doesn't it. nt

[Diane R]

22. That's it in a nutshell. And we'll all pay the price for their hubris.

[annie1]

59. if they are spineless then i am glad to support hil. b/c she is anything but.

[NJmaverick]

3. It would seem to be the prudent course of action

[azmouse]

4. That's fine with me.

I'm looking forward to having Obama as our nominee.

[Catherine Vincent]

5. You voted for Barack.

Others voted for Hillary. May the best person win.

[Joe the Revelator]

8. The best person has already won, and sadly because of Hillary's ego

The worst person is leading in the only race that matters.

[depakid]

Nobody has won anything

and it's entirely possible that Obama could flame out well before the convention.

That wouldn't necessarily mean that Hillary is more tenable- or would get the nomination.

Historically, compromise candidates have been chosen- and if the Dems are interested in winning in November- that may be what they have to do.

[Joe the Revelator]

36. I'll add you to those who don't know how to count

Wrestling isn't real either.

[depakid]

37. Political reality is more than a set of numbers

and the current set of numbers doesn't guarantee anything- as you may see. Obama can't win without superdelegates, and the original purpose of those delegates was to prevent another McGovern fiasco.

If that's what appears to be in the making, a rational person would hope that they remember why they're there....

[Joe the Revelator]

39. But thats not happening. They hit him early with the one skeleton they could find

and he's weathered the storm. Nothing knew has come out since the original story, and he's recovering in the polls. In fact, according to Rassmussen, he never surrendered the lead. There is nothing unelectable about him.

[depakid]

42. He hasn't weathered any storm! It's just begun

and despite our hopes, it's not going away- any more than the swiftboat lies 4 years ago.

It's a long time 'til the convention- and there's likely more in the pipeline than Wright.

Indeed, it wouldn't surprise me that if by the time corporate media's done- Obama ends up a 1 term senator. I don't want that outcome by any stretch of the imagination- but I'm a realist.

That's the extent of what can happen if events aren't played right- or a Democratic candidate really sticks their foot in it.

[Joe the Revelator]

43. You're eyes are brown

You call it being a realist, I call it being a partisan hack. There is no proof that there is "more in the pipeline" and there is certainly no proof that Hillary isn't carrying more baggage then a 747. You think that the RWSM isn't going to hit her as well? Why don't you put some of your "realist" bullshit on to that senario?

[depakid]

47. Actually, they're green

and if you've read my posts, you'd realize that (contrary to the knee jerk: must be a hillbot reactions) that what I (and many others) want to see is Republicans out of the executive branch in 2009.

Anything that accomplishes this goal, is fine by me. On the other hand- going down in flames again- hitching our wagons to tarnished candidates is the exact opposite of what the US needs.

If that scenario comes about, the rational choice would to deadlock the convention- and (assuming the party wants to win) endorse a compromise who can beat McCain.

[Bake]

54. Really? When did Obama get to 2025?

You Obots love to talk about the "math." NOBODY -- I repeat -- NOBODY gets to 2025 without the superdelegates, who have yet to be counted in their entirety. Neither candidate has gotten to the magic munber yet.

Chill out, let the process work out. The Obots always want to declare victory before all the delegates are counted; hell, before all the states and Democrats have even voted.

Bake

[Diane R]

24. Worth repeating. "The best person has already won, and Hillary's ego won't let us win 08.

[usrbs]

38. I'm glad you're deciding for all of us.

There's a process. Let it happen. If Obama was behind but had even a glimmer of a chance nobody would be telling him to drop out. So calm down.

[Bake]

55. Worth repeating: When did Obama get to 2025?

News flash: he hasn't.

Bake

[movonne]

13. The problem is that very rarely happens....we always manage to

fuck it up...and the best does not win...that is why this country is in the condition it is in now...

[Voice for Peace]

27. You're forgetting about hope, and possibilities.

These are no small forces.

[Forkboy]

7. You must realize by now that these threads never work.

:shrug:

[kansasblue]

19. I agree Forkboy.. the poster is asking for unity...but

.. lots of loaded words here. the current primary battle is 'playtime'?

"bullshit self-serving ego trip that Hillary is on " oh yeah.... I feel us coming together now!

oh but after that line.... we get "infighting needs to end".

Dude you are sooooooo unlike Obama. He may have to dis-own you.

[Forkboy]

21. Everybody disowns me.

I'm getting a complex. :D

[Binka]

29. I'll NEVER Disown You Fork

You are like a son to me. Whens your birthday again? LOL! :hug:

[Forkboy]

33. Awwwww

:blush:

Nov. 18th is the day of infamy. The day the earth stood still...and then wretched. :D

[kansasblue]

60. I was refering the the thread poster, not you Forkboy nt

[Forkboy]

64. I know...I was being silly.

:)

[MonkeyFunk]

45. yeah

some of the worst attackers of Clinton now expect everybody to be nice to Obama.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

[Zodiak]

30. I agree

The call for unity in general will not work any more. We have damaged ourselves pretty badly in this primary.

And I would like to call out the poster who said that "because of Hillary's ego, the primary continues". You have no basis whatsoever to say it s all because of her ego...that is a strawman. The fact is we don't know why she doggedly holds on, and we should react to what we know rather than making up motivations out of thin air.

All of this BS griefing, sophistry, and gutter-sniping needs to stop. It is hurting our party, our chances, and this board.

[jobycom]

9. Make it Clinton, and I'm on board. nt

[David Dunham]

10. I agree. Rev. Wright makes Obama a loser.

[Joe the Revelator]

11. No more then all the baggage that Hillary Clinton has makes her a loser

The difference seems to be that Obama knows how to confront it.

[jobycom]

16. Nah, I like Wright. I just want someone who might actually succeed as president.

Rather than a local politician who caught a wave. "Dave" was fiction.

[movonne]

17. I would think that whoever voted for this war should be a loser..this

war is going (if not already) to take this country down....

[UALRBSofL]

18. At this point Obama is not electable

After the Wright scandal and his race speech which never cleared anything up with his relationship with Wright, I don't see him electable in the GE. Also, without a re-do in MI/FL they will go to the Republicans.

[Joe the Revelator]

35. You would never see him as "electable". We know that.

[shaniqua6392]

12. It is not Clinton's fault that Obama's numbers are dropping.

McCain can win because we are so divided. She is going to stay in because there is a chance she can still win. Can't blame her for trying. She has about half the Dems behind her and he has about half the Dems behind him. I don't think anyone thought this would be so close a race. I don't know what the answers are to fix it. I just know that we are bleeding as a party.

[Diane R]

25. I think it is her fault. We all know she's spent the last month trying to make them drop.

[annie1]

62. better now than later. this way people will have time to adjust to whatever...

comes out and not be swayed by hysteria.

[Life Long Dem]

26. Oh?

Hillary is driving her supporters to McCain. It is Hillary's plan.

[knixphan]

14. time to unite the people (who can count) behind Obama.

Let's get ready to rumble!

- Sanity we can believe in -

[Bake]

57. Can you count? The number is 2025.

Neither candidate is there yet. The supers will decide this, whether you like it or not.

Bake

[sniffa]

15. Kick for coalescing around Obama, the presumptive nominee

:kick:

[Bake]

58. Sniffa, you know I luv ya, but Obama hasn't made it to 2025 yet.

So calling him the "presumptive nominee" is premature.

Bake

[jhain]

20. I started already:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3033957&mesg_id=3033957

[PoliticalAmazon]

23. Yeah, but does he remember where he's going?

McCain seems unable to remember where he is going.

Why would anyone think he'd be a good leader?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

28. Not Sure I Can Trust Your Judgment. Ya Know, That Whole Saturday Night "This Story's DEAD!!!!!"

thing...

:rofl:

[Life Long Dem]

31. McCain said

I’m going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated. (11/26/05)

The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should. … I’ve got Greenspan’s book.” (12/18/07)

[futureliveshere]

32. HEAR HEAR!!!

[Raine]

34. Agreed...this whole mess is only

helping MacCain and the reTHUGS. x(

[boston bean]

40. Dream the fuck on! nt

[Zenlitened]

41. Wow, you sure know how to make a plea for unity, don't you?

:wtf:

[Joe the Revelator]

44. Do you think the party will unify while Hillary is acting like a spoiled brat?

[Zenlitened]

50. I don't think the party will unify as long as there are...

... assholes like you spewing shit about Democrats while claiming to be some sort of standard-bearer for the Democratic Party.

You, yourself, are one of the prime examples of DU's current suckage, and that's just a plain fact. So your clumsy calls for "unity" ring a bit hollow, to say the least.

The truth is, you do Sen. Obama a huge disservice virtually every time you post.



Edit: typos.

[Joe the Revelator]

51. I have never claimed to be a "standard-bearer" of the party. I am a voter

and a democrat and not much more. Bottom line is, if you can't see how Hillary staying in the race, in the face of insurmountable odds, is bad for the party, then you're really not worth talking to.

[Zenlitened]

52. I'll say it again: You do Sen. Obama a disservice...

... virtually every time you post.

[Joe the Revelator]

53. I don't speak for Obama, I speak for myself. Thats the trouble with some of you

you worry too much about what other people say instead of using your head and listening to the candidates.

[Zenlitened]

63. Um, it's the fact that so many of us ARE able to listen to the candidates...

... and push aside the rantings of the Haters, True Believers and other Useful Idiots swarming all over th' internets.... it's this ability that enables so many of us to stay involved in the political process at all.

If everyone took to heart even half the crap "some of you" so-called supporters post 24/7 on DU, they'd never vote Democrat again.

[JuniperLea]

46. Holy Mother of God!

I bet you wouldn't vote for Hillary if she got the nomination, right?

[Oslo]

48. Send Obama's speech to your state's superdelegates n/t.

[Bigleaf]

49. What the Fuck can't the people see? It's over. The media is fucking with you.

They want this to drag out so they can make more money. But, in the end, Hillary can't win. She doesn't have the numbers to do it. It's all about the numbers. Seriously.

[Bake]

61. Here's a number for you: 2025. Obama doesn't have 2025 yet.

Neither does Sen. Clinton. Nothing is "mathematically impossible" (as you Obots love to term it), because this primary election has yet to be decided.

WE DON'T HAVE A PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE YET. All your rhetoric is just empty words (hmmm, that sounds kinda familiar ...).

Remember, the magic number is 2025. Two thousand twenty five. Neither candidate is there yet. Neither candidate can reach that number without the superdelegates.

Bake

[dailykoff]

56. McCain is the BIGTIME winner from this shit

and I doubt if it's accidental. He gets to play Spencer Tracy while the rest of us are playing Lucy and Charlie Brown.