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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:08 PM
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I honestly can't understand why some people don't like Obama
56% of whites disapprove of Obama (should change with speech, but still). The majority of whites disapprove of him.

Now, I understand many of those would be Republicans and racists who would never approve of him,

Even with this in consideration, that number is still way too high.

I am a white male, and I have never been so inspired by a candidate than I have by Barack Obama.

To put it simply, he seems like a really good person. He seems like a very moral person who loves his family. He also has an amazing charm, and he is the only Presidential candidate who seems like a REAL person and not just a political machine. His speech yesterday was incredible and further proves this point. I am fully aware that he is a human and he has done some wrong doings in the past, some of which we probably haven't heard of. I am not ignorant to this, so its not like I treat him like a God. I know he isn't perfect. However, I have been heavily following him the last year or so, and there is one thing that is very clear to me: he is NOT a normal politician. All the behind the scenes stuff not reported by the mainstream media tells me that he truly is a great person, and its about time we had a morally good man as President.

Aside from that, he is a brilliant man. I can not stand when people try to belittle him for speeches. Yes he gives great speeches, but he is also an extremely wise person who really knows exactly what he is talking about. The last few debates with Clinton confirmed this.

Because of all this and much more, I can not understand why the hell his approval rate is so low with whites.


I personally think he is the most likable politician in recent times. I can honestly not understand how people could not like him.

I swear, if he loses to McCain I will lose all hope in this country.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:09 PM
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1. I like him.
:hi:
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:09 PM
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2. Playa Haters
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:10 PM
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3. Because a lot of people don't think. Why else would bush jr. be a two term president?
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:15 PM
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11. White's perceive Hillary's opponent as racist
Reverend Wright's antics makes that obvious to all who can see.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:21 PM
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21. Do all crackers blame blacks for racism?
Must be something in the water. :shrug:
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:25 PM
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32. Does that mean he hates half of himself?
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:07 PM
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38. What do you think of Hillary's secret Fellowship?
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-2.html

"The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance."
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:18 PM
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17. I think we have a winner.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:12 PM
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4. some people like him but are turned off by his supporters
You know, they are slightly attracted to what he has to say but then they see that a lot of his supporters have a "crush" on the guy, assigning god-like qualities to him and behaving in anti-democratic ways.

That hurts Obama with some.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:13 PM
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7. Ding ding. I love Obama. I hate the vile commentary by his supporters.
I support either candidate. I only "defend" Hillary here because the attacks against her are *overwhelming*. I consider them both political opportunists, typical politicians. I personally wish we had a much better candidate than either of them.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:54 PM
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37. You think JFK didn't have supporters like that?
American Beatlemania, man. (I wasn't alive then but I've read some history and talked to some people who were).

I have a friend who shook Bill Clinton's hand at a booksigning a few years ago and got all swoony. (A highly educated newspaper editor in her late 30s).

You think some people didn't feel that way about Reagan?

That's what charisma IS. That's what it DOES. It's not supernatural or mystical, it's perfectly human. What matters is how one uses it.

It's time it worked in OUR favor, IMO.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:12 PM
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5. I'm white and I love him
And I can't understand it either. I can understand why some might not vote for him but can't understand why they don't like him.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:13 PM
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6. Citation for those numbers?
I haven't seen or heard anything REMOTELY like that.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:15 PM
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12. it was posted here today
one of the new tracking polls I think (maybe Gallup?).

sorry though, I'm not sure.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:18 PM
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18. Doesn't sound very credible
but then again, in America if one looks around, they can a find a poll to support (or negate) pretty much anything.

My guess is that Obama's negatives probably fall somewhere in the 30% range among whites- roughly corresponding to the number of hardline Republicans and Bush supporters.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:21 PM
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22. yeah I don't know if it was
and I wasn't looking around for one. I am an Obama supporter, I want the numbers to be good. It was just one I happened to see today.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:13 PM
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8. A lot of people hated JFK, too.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 08:15 PM by Straight Shooter
It happens. That's life.

Edit to add, I was a big Dean supporter, but some of my friends said he gave them "the creeps." :shrug:
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:15 PM
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13. yep thats true as well
can't understand that either.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:14 PM
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9. I honestly can't understand why some people worship Obama.

And you do, every one of his supporters worships him, talks as if he transcends the human state and communes with the angels regularly.

He's a politician and he will let you down, sooner or later. They all do. It's gonna really hurt those who are True Believers.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:17 PM
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15. could we please stop with ignorant posts like this?
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 08:18 PM by adoraz
if you think that the hundred million plus Obama supporters out there all worship him, seek help.
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:14 PM
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10. Previous poster beat me to this....
But I feel the same way when I talk to one of my friends who STILL supports Bush. I'm a big believer that we can find common ground...but there is nothing I can say to her when she honestly, sincerely supports GWB. AND she thinks Condoleza Rice would be an awesome VP. How can you argue with that? you can show them the truth, but if they are unwilling to see....
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:38 PM
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33. And your friend and others like her are the "Good Germans"!
Only when they realized they have been abandonded by their fearless leader, and they lose their homes and jobs to some castastrophe will they realize they have have been duped.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:17 PM
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14. The same reason people give Chimpy a reach around.
:dunce:
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:18 PM
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16. I don't like Obama because he panders to bigots...
and no, I'm not talking about Wright, and I don't like Hillary because she panders to bigots, and I am talking about Ferraro and others. Both candidates are assholes. I really can't understand why anyone can be "inspired"(duped) by the bullshit from either candidate.
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easy_b94 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:19 PM
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19. In a nut shell...some white people just don't like or are uncomfortable with black people
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:20 PM
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20. Just because someone suupport another candidate, dosen't mean they don't like Obama
I like him, I like Hillary and Edwards, I am planning to see all three of them plus more in the administration, as of now it looks Obama , but who knows, life and politics are like a box of candy you don't always know what you are getting and some time don't like what you get, but for you sake , my sake, it better to have a democrat we don't like than a REPUBLICAN, Who are like Mit Romney praising the war, while keeping his half dozen sons at home.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:23 PM
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24. I know this, but
then people like you would have answered "approve" for Obama on the survey.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:40 PM
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30. What survey, sometimes I do vote but don't post that I have
I would be fine with Obama, but I am an older lady and I want to see a woman as president, I know how you feel about Obama, I felt the same way about having a m an from the south in the white house , the last man from the south was Linoln's VP. and yes we had Lyndon Johnson from the South West but Carter was the frist man from the south, I remember when FDR switched from WAllace of dem of Ga to Harry TRuman, we thought we might get Wallace, we didn't but that didn't keep Gerogia from going straight Democrat until Goldwater.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:22 PM
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23. I don't like him because he is not what he pretends to be. I learned that with the death of Bhutto
He in essence said that Clinton was responsible for the death of Bhutto. Bhutto was a friend of Clinton's and her death hit her hard.

Of course Obama used racism and that confirmed my suspicions that he says one thing but does another.

And then, he lied about Rezko, Canada, Wright.

So....he continues to reinforce my belief that he is simply an politician who says one thing and does another.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:25 PM
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25. to an extent, every single politician who ever lives
will say one thing, and do another. there is no exception.

I do think that Obama is far more honest than most, and his speech yesterday was proof that he isn't the typical politician.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:27 PM
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27. I like him. Don't trust him.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:26 PM
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26. Would you be interested in finding out?
.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:29 PM
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28. what do you mean?
thats why I made this topic, to get opinions from others.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:34 PM
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29. I'll tell you why I don't like him, but you won't understand it.
He's not honest. He's very dishonest. He plays all sides of every issue. He lies about Clinton's position on the Iraqi war, and, like Edwards, claims she "voted for war." That's a lie, though it's one many people believe. Rather than fighting for the truth to unite the party, he decides to repeat common lies to divide it. He did the same thing when Clinton defended her taking money from lobbyists groups, attacking her with oversimplified emotional misinformation to divide the party, rather than uniting behind the truth. He even went on the Daily Show right after that, almost bragging about his lying: "So we're preparing and one of my staff said, 'The thing you've got to understand is, this isn't on the level.' And I think that really strikes to what people are frustrated with in politics, is that so much of what we talk about, so much of what we say, it's not true, people know it's not true, all the insiders understand that we're just game-playing..."

I don't think he's a bad person, I think he's just a weak person in way over his head. He may even believe he's doing the same thing as every other politician. But he's not honest, he's not overly principled, and he doesn't have even close to the level of experience a president should have. He's local politician who caught a wave. He should know he's not ready, which means he's either really ignorant of what the job requires, or he's so addled with hubris.

I know you and his supporters don't see him that way, but that's why I don't like him. Since you asked. As a person, I'd probably enjoy having a beer with him. As a president--as the person I want to accomplish the goals this nation needs--I don't like him.

And it has nothing to do with his or my race. I can't swear the same is true for others, any more than I can swear that those who dislike Clinton aren't sexist. The whole Reverend Wright scandal has brought racism back to the surface, and I am disgusted to see it. But my dislike of him began from watching the way he ran his campaign and lied about others.

Since you asked.

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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:43 PM
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31. he just doesn't do it for me. i see a lot of drama in the speeches but...
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 08:44 PM by annie1
it doesn't seem like it comes from the heart. i dunno, something always seems missing. and the fanfare about him is a little off putting b/c to me it doesn't match what he's giving right now. the person who put it in perspective for me is bill when he said obama has "staggering political talent" i guess that's true. so i'd like to see him with couple of efforts under his belt, i like to see people really fight for something, and really want to fight for people. that's what i liked about John Edwards.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:47 PM
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34. Thanks for your thoughtful post.
You are getting some very good responses and that generally indicates a very good OP.

One suggestion - look for that number you are citing and post the link. It will give you more credibility.

:hi:
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:48 PM
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35. Where are you getting those numbers from?
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TexanDem Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:52 PM
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36. I'm a senior white female find him as phenominal in my...
... lifetime as anyone. I have seen JFK and RFK and quite frankly, I think BO has at least as much going for him. In fact, I'd say he is unequaled and will be and is the only hope we have in this critical time in our country -- and the world for that matter. He's genuinely one that comes along only once in a lifetime.
BTW, my mom is strongly supporting him as well, -- and she's more "senior" than I am! :))
By statistics, we should be in Hillary's camp, but we see through Hillary's schemes and deceptions and are all too familiar with Hillary's baggage she would bring with her. If she tramples him to the top -- or if the hate mongers destroy him, we just will not vote in the G.P.
my 2 cents.
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