If Hillary's a fighter

[XemaSab]

what exactly is it she's fighting? :shrug:

[ossman]

1. R-E-A-L-I-T-Y

[BeatleBoot]

2. For me and my family

[jgraz]

8. Is your family named Wolfson or McCain?

Or Penn?

[BeatleBoot]

14. Is your family name Cheney?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_01/012953.php

1. Cheney energy bill: Obama for, Clinton against.


Wait, you're not going to put me on ignore, now are you?

[jgraz]

32. Putting you on ignore is an excellent idea

However, I'm going to give you a few more chances to post something besides content-free horseshit. In the meantime, if you want to talk records, let's talk about this one:

Senator Clinton said and did nothing to prevent the Senate confirmation of John Ashcroft.

Senator Clinton said and did nothing to prevent the Senate confirmation of Alberto Gonzales.

Senator Clinton said and did nothing regarding the failed Senate confirmation of John Bolton.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of corrupt corporatist Priscilla Owen, clearing the way for her confirmation to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of unqualified fascist Janice Rogers Brown, clearing the way for her confirmation to the DC Court of Appeals.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of religious zealot and homophobe William H. Pryor, clearing the way for his confirmation to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of John Roberts, clearing the way for his confirmation as Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing during the Senate confirmation of Samuel Alito.

Senator Clinton skipped the Senate debate and confirmation vote on Michael Mukasey.

Senator Clinton did nothing to prevent the passage of the Military Commissions Act.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing during this summer's vote on the Iraq War Supplemental.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing during the vote to extend FISA.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing on the Walter Reid scandal, even though she sits on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing during the current debate on Telecom Immunity.

Senator Clinton SKIPPED the Senate vote to strip TelCo immunity from the FISA bill.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing on the possible impeachment of Dick Cheney.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing on the possible impeachment of George Bush.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing on the myriad scandals surrounding the current administration. (Yeah, I'm too lazy to list these one-by-one)

Senator Clinton campaigned for Joe Lieberman against Ned Lamont

Senator Clinton proposed legislation to ban flag burning.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the 2001 Bankruptcy Bill.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the USAPATRIOT act.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the renewal USAPATRIOT act.

Senator Clinton voted AGAINST an amendment to prevent the use of cluster bombs against civilian populations.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the Iraq War Resolution.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the Kyl/Lieberman amendment.

There you go. Got anything of value to say about that?

[emilyg]

19. Is that you Bush?

[jgraz]

20. heh -- I see great minds think alike.

[Danger Mouse]

29. zing!

:hi:

[Drachasor]

33. Yes, but WHAT is she fighting?

[Captain Hilts]

3. A press that HATES her. nt

[Cha]

16. hilary's fighting reality and the press

is helping her do it.

[Skwmom]

40. Between Clinton News Network (CNN) and her buddy Murdoch, Clinton

has gotten millions of dollars worth of unpaid political ads (including negative attacks against Obama).

[KingFlorez]

4. For the uninsured and the working class

[Kittycat]

7. Then why did she support and promote NAFTA.

:shrug:

[Tom Rinaldo]

44. Same reasons why Al Gore did at the time

Same reasons why Obama started out identified as a "free trader" also. Ross Perot was right, more people admit that now.

[Liberal Veteran]

11. Pray to your chosen diety that she is never allowed to be our protector in that respect.

She's folded like house of cards twice already and her interests are the interests of the DLC and corporate America.

[elixir]

She's always championed children, healthcare, human rights.

[Liberal Veteran]

22. She sure did. And backed down every time she faced a serious challenge.

If you trust her, you deserve what you end up with.

[Drachasor]

34. Not "who is she fighting for", but "what is she fighting?"

You answered the wrong question.

[joshcryer]

5. For superior mandates.

Her Health Care and Environment policies are superior in every way. Sometimes I think Obama supporters are closet luddites.

[Medusa]

17. Like her "health care" plan last time around?

the one she refused to even work with DEMOCRATS on? :eyes:

[elixir]

23. I doubt she refused to work w/ democrats.

[ossman]

27. Ask Bill Bradley.

[elixir]

31. Sure, hold on, I'm going to get the phone......

[joshcryer]

28. There's no argument that their health care plans are almost identical.

With the exception that Hillary wants a mandate which would be the closest we can possibly get to single payer. While Obama just wants to line the pockets of insurance companies (potentially even destroying the national health insurerer in the process).

[Submariner]

25. Environment policies are superior ? Say what? You couldn't be more wrong

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5156029

[joshcryer]

26. Yes, she supports the working class while discussing potential environmental fixes.

Those enviromental fixes were summarily dismissed by those closet luddites in that thread.

[XemaSab]

42. It's not an either/or

It's supporting workers AND the environment.

[BlueJac]

6. Anyone in her way to be the President of the USA

She will ultimately ruin it for all true liberals!

[Liberal Veteran]

9. Inevitability on two fronts.

1. The inevitability of Obama being the nominee.

2. The inevitability that should she actually get the nomination (assuming of course that Obama pulls off a mask to reveal himself to be Osama bin Laden, thus sinking his nomination), that she has a snowballs chance in hell in winning the GE.

[BeatleBoot]

10. Fighting Against Dick Cheney's Energy Bill - Obama voted for it.

I think of those tax breaks to big oil each time I pump gas.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_01/012953.php

1. Cheney energy bill: Obama for, Clinton against.

[jgraz]

12. Keep grasping. There might be a few more straws left.

[ossman]

15. Speaking of taxes.... where are they Hillbot. Todays dump proved her lying about NAFTA.

[dchill]

30. Enough. Don't look now - your shoes are untied.

"THE SPIN: "On the campaign trail, Senator Obama talks about clean energy. But in the Senate he voted for Dick Cheney's energy bill loaded with new tax breaks for oil companies. When he faced a tough choice, his support for a clean energy future turned out to be just words," said Clinton at a rally in Harrisburg, Pa."

"THE FACTS: Both sides refer to votes on an energy bill Congress passed in 2005. In the Senate, Clinton voted against the bill and Obama voted for it.

It is a stretch to call it "Dick Cheney's energy bill," a hot-button reference for many Democrats. ...

Although opposed by environmentalists, many Democrats viewed the final bill as the best compromise that could be achieved in a GOP-controlled Congress. Clinton at the time said she opposed the bill because it did not do enough to cut reliance on foreign oil and address global warming.

Clinton's claim that the bill "was loaded with new tax breaks for oil companies" also overstates the case. While it included $2.6 billion in tax breaks for oil and gas industries, that was offset by nearly $3 billion in oil taxes, mostly in an extension of the oil spill liability tax. The bill's $14.3 billion in energy tax breaks mostly went for renewable energy and efficiency programs and the nuclear and coal industries, both of which are prominent in Obama's home state of Illinois.

Obama is correct when he says Clinton voted against renewable fuels and auto fuel economy. During the 2005 energy deliberations, Clinton voted against an amendment that would have required an increase in the federal auto fuel economy standard, known as CAFE; Obama voted for it. The measure failed, 28-67."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080311/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_fact_check_1

[boppers]

36. You do know that Bill *increased* taxes paid by big oil, right?

Her vote was purely political and symbolic. Didn't change a thing, other than give her a cudgel.

[OhioChick]

13. She's fighting for big corps. nt

[elixir]

18. For our families, for our troops, for you.

[gabeana]

21. When she was on the board of wallmart

I heard she was fighting for the rights of labor, oh sorry my mistake she said nothing

"In six years as a member of the Wal-Mart board of directors, between 1986 and 1992, Hillary Clinton remained silent as the world's largest retailer waged a major campaign against labor unions seeking to represent store workers."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4218509

[ColbertWatcher]

24. People who still can't get over her involvement in...

...Nixon's impeachment?

[better tomorrow]

35. OK, we don't have to be nice today, right? Truce is over?

She's fighting because some younger kid in the sandbox dumped a bucket over her head when she spit in his face....

[havocmom]

37. seems to be fighting releasing her tax returns

so she is fighting transparency

[slinkerwink]

38. she's fighting the forces of change, is what

[Skwmom]

39. Clinton fights for Clinton.

Every time she says she is a fighter I laugh. The only time the Clintons fight is when it is about them.

[greguganus]

41. She's fighting for the underprivileged lobbyists across the great corporate land. n/t

[anonymous171]

43. She's never "fought". She weathered repugs attacks for 8 years,

But she never won.