“we find she [HRC] deserves ample credit for expanding children's health insurance."

[rodeodance]

Lots of details in this Fact check.


Giving Hillary Credit for SCHIP
March 18, 2008


"Despite disparagement from political rivals, we find she deserves ample credit for expanding
children's health insurance."


"One of Clinton's signature claims has come under fire from political foes, quoted by the Boston Globe, who say she doesn't deserve credit for expanding federal health insurance for millions of children.

We review the record and conclude that she deserves plenty of credit, both for the passage of the SCHIP legislation and for pushing outreach efforts to translate the law into reality."

..snip..

"Kennedy, of course, is now backing Clinton's rival, Barack Obama, for the nomination. But last year, before that endorsement, he was quoted by the Associated Press as saying something quite different, which the Globe did not note in its story:

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, Oct. 6, 2007: The children's health program wouldn't be in existence today if we didn't have Hillary pushing for it from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue.

In that same story, The AP's Beth Fouhy concluded, "While Kennedy is widely viewed as the driving force behind the program, by all accounts the former first lady's pressure was crucial." She quoted Nick Littlefield, who had been a senior health adviser to Kennedy, as saying, "we relied on her, worked with her and she was pivotal in encouraging the White House to do it."
,,,,,

Our conclusion: Clinton is right on this one.

– by Brooks Jackson
–
Sources
Milligan, Susan. "Clinton role in health program disputed." The Boston Globe, 14 March 2008.

Gray, Jerry. "Through Senate Alchemy, Tobacco Is Turned Into Gold for Children's Health." The New York Times, 11 Aug. 1997.

Bedard, Paul. "Budget a back door to 'Clintoncare'; Children's health insurance is similar to coverage pushed by Hillary in '93. Washington Times, 6 Aug. 1997.

Fouhy, Beth. "Clinton claims credit for child program." The Associated Press, 6 Oct. 2007.

Bumiller, Elisabeth. "In Shift, Mrs. Clinton Stresses Behind-the-Scenes Influence." The New York Times, 11 Aug. 2000.

The White House. "President Clinton and First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton launch the Insure Kids Now campaign promoting children's health insurance outreach." news release, 23 Feb. 1999.

The White House. "Remarks by the President and the First Lady at children's health outreach event." transcript, 23 Feb. 1999.

The White House. "First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton announces that almost one million children are enrolled in

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/giving_hillary_credit_for_schip.html

[Straight Shooter]

1. Thank you for finding this. I was reading it earlier this morning ...

... and hoping someone would post it.

:thumbsup:

[rodeodance]

6. It is imp. that her record of past achievements are out her all.

[rodeodance]

2. Title: Giving Hillary Credit for SCHIP

[rodeodance]

16. k

[uberblonde]

3. Link?

Please.

[rodeodance]

12. added. oops

[babylonsister]

4. Ample is good. nt

[jlake]

5. K&R For the truth.

Thanks for finding this rodeodance!

:patriot:

[rodeodance]

92. :-)

[BuyingThyme]

7. Link?

I have to see if they really lied about Ted Kennedy like that.

[rodeodance]

9. edited and added

[Dinger]

8. Thank You Hillary : )

You are an awesome and inspiring senator!

:loveya:

[TML]

10. She gets credit also for...

Being in the White House when Monica and Bill hooked up. Gee, I wonder what else is in those released papers.

[rodeodance]

11. Thank you for your concern

[TML]

13. You're welcome

...and in two words: VINCE FOSTER!

[tammywammy]

15. You're not helping Obama

:eyes:

[TML]

19. Yes I am

It's called fighting bullshit with the truth.

[tammywammy]

27. No, your not helping

You're being a jackass.

[rodeodance]

40. Thank you very much--I do appreciate it.

[rodeodance]

38. **Listen up--that is a MATURE Obamafan that was telling you that you are FOOLISH

[tammywammy]

41. rodeodance called me "mature"

:blush:

LOL

[rodeodance]

47. I do not recall ever agreeing with you but I do try to give credit where credit is due:-)

[Forkboy]

63. And this time Rodeo is right.

Wish there was a lot more like you here, on both sides. :)

[tammywammy]

81. aahh, thanks so much Forkboy

:blush:

I always enjoy your snarky witty posts! :)

[rodeodance]

82. i do not--he is one of the few on my Ignore--and glad it is there.

[musicblind]

86. No, you're definitely not helping.

[LostinVA]

93. I honestly don't think they want to, Tammy

[durrrty libby]

23. Apparently, "two words " is the extent of your working vocabulary

but thanks for the K

[TML]

24. And name calling is all you have left?

Weak.

[rodeodance]

26. go dump you dump someplace else. Unless you can address the OP.

[TML]

28. ...

:nopity:

[rodeodance]

42. more IMMATURE behavior.

[rodeodance]

20. btw: i think you are OBSESSED WITH BILL CLINTON'S PENIS~~~

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10. She gets credit also for... Updated at 1:29 AM

Being in the White House when Monica and Bill hooked up. Gee, I wonder what else is in those released papers.
¡Viva Obama!

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[Auntie Bush]

33. People like you make me sick and one of the reasons I don't

support Obama. He has too many followers who think just like you. I discovered their shallow thinking early in this primary. They actually think like Rethugs and you should know what I think of them. You have nothing but my pity.

[Texas Hill Country]

90. thank you. i like knowing who to ignore.

[annie1]

14. Nice.

[libbygurl]

17. K & R for the truth. nt

[rodeodance]

85. ;-)

[durrrty libby]

18. K & R for truth

[rodeodance]

21. I wrote you a note--thank you for finding it.

[Forkboy]

22. K&R

[Sadie5]

30. Cheers to Hillary

Obama whines while Hillary gets things done. O plagiarized other lawmakers work and called then his own.

[rodeodance]

32. I have IT on Ignore--thanks

[Forkboy]

37. About fucking time!

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

36. Not a Hillary fan in the slightest bit, but truth is truth.

I wish more on both sides still cared about that, even when it's their opponent.

[anonymeme]

29. Thank You, rodeodance, Many, Many Thanks! !:]

Thank You, rodeodance, Many, Many Thanks! ~*:)*~

Hillary in 2008!

[rodeodance]

31. durrrty libby found it--It is so good to have facts after seeing many posts today dissing her.

[anonymeme]

46. I Know, Did You See the One Post by an Obamaniac About Hillary And...

Know, Did You See the One Idiotic Post by an Obamaniac About Hillary And... NAFTA?

The poster blathers about how this article she links is proof that hillary not only backed NAFTA, but pushed it and when you read it all it says is that on ONEday Hillary was going to attend a drop in meeting regarding NAFTA.

Here this is all the article said:

"Among the thousands of details of daily life for Clinton, there was a November 10, 1993, entry -- a 'NAFTA Briefing drop-by,' in Room 450 of the executive office building next door to the White House, closed to the news media.

Approximately 120 people were expected to attend the briefing, and Clinton was to be introduced by White House aide Alexis Herman for brief remarks concluding the program"

PS Thank you to drrrrty linny, too!

[rodeodance]

91. no, there are too many of those out there.

[usrbs]

34. Thanks for posting. I'm diappointed in Kennedy for trying to belittle this

just for political reasons.

[BuyingThyme]

39. He didn't.

He just didn't want to pretend that she was so intimately responsible for the legislation he had written.

[rodeodance]

43. I am disappointed in Ted Kennedy for this petty act also.

[BuyingThyme]

44. What's the petty part?

[rodeodance]

53. As I read the article, Ted tried to diminish Hillary's role.

[BuyingThyme]

57. Actually, it looks like he politely declined to do so, though

doing so would have been perfectly appropriate.

[rodeodance]

61. Silence on his part says a lot.

[BuyingThyme]

64. Yeah, it says he's got class.

He could have just said she had nothing to do with the bill until after it was completed, but he instead let the facts speak for themselves.

[rodeodance]

73. Yes, the facts are out now. Something odd going on with

Ted and Hillary. I admire Ted. but in this case--a bit petty.

[Control-Z]

35. Thank you!!

Another to bookmark for reference to truth!

[ProSense]

45. The Fact Check is BS! Hillary had nothing to do with S-CHIP

Clymer, in an exchange of e-mails, told FactCheck.org:

Adam Clymer: On balance, I would say of course Kennedy and Hatch deserve most of the credit, but Hillary helped by making sure the Administration stuck with the $24 billion in (the Senate-House) conference. She didn't write the legislation but she played a significant role in getting it passed.

<...>

Moreover, Hillary Clinton took a major role in translating the new law into action. The program leaves to the states the job of setting up coverage and getting children enrolled, a task that continues to be a struggle to this day. In February 1999, after 47 states had set up SCHIP programs, the Clintons launched a drive to "Insure Kids Now." Hillary took the lead, speaking first before her husband in an East Room event at the White House.

Hillary Clinton, Feb. 23, 1999: At least half of all uninsured children are eligible for federal-state health insurance programs, but too often their parents don't know or don't believe they qualify. As successful, for example, as Medicaid has been, an estimated 4 million eligible children are still not enrolled.

In April that year the first lady gave a speech saying nearly 1 million children had been enrolled during the previous year, but that increasing the figure was "one of the highest priorities" of her husband's administration. She said the president would seek $1 billion to fund a five-year "outreach" effort, with a goal of increasing enrollment to 5 million by 2000.

Her role was convincing Bill Clinton not to veto the legislation. Complete BS!

Passed: 1997

[rodeodance]

48. Take you complaint up with Fact Ck

[ProSense]

50. Fact Check didn't post the BS here. Hillary claims she created the program, now they credit her with

fighting for it. Backtracking, exaggerating, and still the timing is off. Still using Kennedy's statement that she was "pushing" at the other end of Pennsylvania Ave as the basis for the myth she and the lazy media perpetuated.

She convinced Bill to not jerk the Dems over. She didn't write it, make any decisions on the content of the bill. She had no legislative power, and in fact wanted nothing to do with the initial bill as it interfered with the WH's failed health care plan.

[rodeodance]

51. Where does it she she "created" the program??--You are making up silly stuff again.

[BuyingThyme]

54. See #52.

[ProSense]

55. Are you saying that wasn't her lie? From the Fact Check stretch

Years later, when Clinton was first running for the Senate, Kennedy's aide Littlefield was still giving her credit. The New York Times quoted him as saying, ''She was a one-woman army inside the White House to get this done.'' He said that when President Clinton himself was showing reluctance to back the new legislation out of fear it would upset a budget deal with Republicans, "We went to Mrs. Clinton and said, 'You've got to get the president to come around on this thing,' " and she did.

Right, she convinced bill not to be a jerk!

[rodeodance]

59. Good grief--there is no lie as you claim.

[rodeodance]

68. "I helped to start." by HRC---is not "created" as you claimed earlier

i had misdirected my comment to wrong poster. this goes to you.

[BuyingThyme]

52. Here's the inconvenient fact (quote) which Fact Check curiously leaves out of their analysis:

By Susan Milligan
Globe Staff / March 14, 2008

WASHINGTON - Hillary Clinton, who has frequently described herself on the campaign trail as playing a pivotal role in forging a children's health insurance plan, had little to do with crafting the landmark legislation or ushering it through Congress, according to several lawmakers, staffers, and healthcare advocates involved in the issue.
more stories like this

In campaign speeches, Clinton describes the State Children's Health Insurance Program, or SCHIP, as an initiative "I helped to start." Addressing Iowa voters in November, Clinton said, "in 1997, I joined forces with members of Congress and we passed the State Children's Health Insurance Program." Clinton regularly cites the number of children in each state who are covered by the program, and mothers of sick children have appeared at Clinton campaign rallies to thank her.

...

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/14/clinton_role_in_health_program_disputed/

[rodeodance]

56. ""I helped to start." by HRC---is not "created" as you claimed earlier

[BuyingThyme]

62. Oh, I don't think that was me. I'm just budding in this subthread.

[rodeodance]

67. sorry--you are right. i will re-direct my comment to hopefully the right poster.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

49. yapyapyap Hillary's an agent of Satan yapyapyap agent of Satan yapyap Hillary......

[rodeodance]

75. good pic --thanks I needed the laugh

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

58. You're Wrong. Get Over It LOL

:rofl:

[ProSense]

65. Ah, Hillary caught in a lie with Fact Check trying to cover for her "created S-CHIP" claim. You:

trying to laugh it off.

Hillary lied, she got busted, and now is being exposed again.

Here: She Hillary trying to explain another exaggeration that isn't supported by even her own records.

[rodeodance]

71. NO, YOU LIED: "I helped to start." by HRC---is not "created" as you claimed earlier

"I helped to start." by HRC---is not "created" as you claimed earlier

[ProSense]

77. You need to stop tripping! NO, HILLARY LIED:

Nobody has worked harder or longer to improve health care than Hillary Clinton. From her time in Arkansas when she improved rural health care to her successful effort to create the SCHIP Children's Health Insurance program which now covers six million children, Hillary has the strength and experience to ensure that every man, woman and child in America has quality, affordable health care.

link

Fixed link

[rodeodance]

78. You are boring me.

[BuyingThyme]

80. Ouch!

Case closed.

P.S. There's an "e" missing from the end of your URL.

[Hoof Hearted]

60. Thanks Rodeo! All of us who were paying attention at the time, or astute enough to study well

knew that HRC has been an unstoppable advocate for children since her early college days, and that she was indeed integral in this process.

[rodeodance]

69. Yes, Hillary has a long record of working for children.

[Auntie Bush]

66. Thanks for that informative post Rodeo.

Hillary supporters will be :) and Obama supporters will just have to :cry: themselves to sleep. Another reason to lie about Hillary down the tube.
Now who was it that said she was lying and really had nothing to do with schip. I hope they don't have you on ignore and miss out on an education.

[rodeodance]

83. those type do are not interested in educating themselves. they just are not. best to you

[goldcanyonaz]

70. YAY! Thank you for posting this.

[Asia Expat]

72. Good find.

K&R

[rodeodance]

74. k

[LulaMay]

76. Hillary cares about children. Thanks for the post.

[rodeodance]

79. always

[bhikkhu]

84. Thanks for the post. No one needs to dis Hillary on SCHIP

And every good intention, even "behind-the-scenes" influence should be credited.

[rodeodance]

88. yes

[karynnj]

87. This is disengenuous - Kennedy didn't say in the recent article that she

deserved no credit for S-Chip. He (and Hatch) rejected her claims of "creating" or "initiating" it. They are correct. What is amazing is that this "fact check" first of all rejected a strawman that was not what Kennedy said. It also neglected to look at what was written back in 1997 - HRC gets credit for lobbying her husband to fund it. She was not part of the eFFort to intitiate or design it - and nothing in "this proof" counters that.

The facts are that Hatch, while introducing it, said specifically that it had nothing to do with the Clintons - that's in the official Senate record! (Credit for its initiation would go to the MA legislature and the people who advised them, Hatch and Kennedy who wrote the legisation and got it through a Republican Senate, and Kennedy and Kerry who wrote the original non-bipartisan bill that contained mush of what became SCIP - before HRC gets credit for initiated it.

[LulaMay]

89. K & R!

[kikiek]

94. Hillary has been and will remain the best advocate for kids around. Go Hillary!

[Kber]

95. Good for her.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

96. K & R.

:kick:

THE most pressing domestic issue.

Univeral Health Care will pay for itself instantly.

:kick:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

97. K&R