Hillary: The New Queen of Mean?

[tabasco]

By flouting the popular vote in favor of elitist superdelegates, candidate Clinton ignores the new realities of leadership in the 21st century.

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The original Queen of Mean, Leona Helmsley, met her downfall when she disdainfully observed that paying taxes was for "the little people." Make way for the new Queen of Mean, Senator Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.). This time it's not about taxes, but about the very essence of democracy: voting.

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When asked whether those party insiders had a responsibility to align themselves with the popular vote, she responded: "That's not the way the process works.… are to exercise independent judgment. It's very important that they exercise that judgment based on who they believe will lead to the best nominee.… Superdelegates are supposed to take all that information on board and supposed to be exercising the judgment that people would have exercised if this information and challenges had been available several months ago."

O.K., I get it. Despite all these heady months of spirited, hopeful, and, yes, joyful participation in caucuses and primaries, it's alright that our votes are ignored because we are simply not in the loop. If the superdelegates override the popular will, it means we were just playing "democracy"—like playing "dress-up" or "doctor." When it comes to the serious work of choosing the Democratic nominee, the little people must step aside and let the insiders do what we would have done if only we had known better. We told ourselves our voices mattered. What were we thinking?

http://www.businessweek.com/managing/content/mar2008/ca20080318_659859.htm?chan=careers_managing+index+page_top+stories

[LulaMay]

1. Oh please.

[tabasco]

4. Please stand aside while our betters do the voting for us?

I don't think so! :mad:

[LulaMay]

10. I think people here should be thinking twice about tearing her down. SO sure of yourselves.

[tabasco]

18. Tearing her down?

Let me remind you that Hillary is the one who launched the filthy "kitchen sink" smear campaign against Obama.

Now she has lowered herself even further by wanting to have party elites vote for us!

Did I wake up in China or something? Is it some kind of cult with this slavish devotion?

[TML]

24. Exactly

And it is our duty to call bullshit when someone doesn't tell the truth, or worse, has to use right-wing news sites to support their filth.

[C_U_L8R]

2. No that honor belongs to Barbara Bush

Hillary may be the Queen of Mismanaged Campaigns but not the Queen of Mean

[gabeana]

5. I'll agree with you on that good Christan barbara

I don't find Hillary mean at all, I'm just not supporting her for president

[AZBlue]

3. ...

[meow mix]

6. I agree with the Article and i have thought this for some time now..

shes created this image for herself no one else to blame.

the Choir speech really is the tipping point for this to have happened, she came off like a real *%^!*

[tabasco]

33. That was truly sickening and un-presidential, IMO.

In addition to just being plain ridiculous - - - scolding Obama for giving speeches and having big rallies??

:wtf:

[chimpymustgo]

7. That's just bullshit. Just making shit up.

[tabasco]

9. Yes, we should let other people vote for us.

Good point! :dunce:

[Cha]

16. No, she isn't making shit up at

at. She's quoting hilary.

[wileedog]

8. Ugh

"When asked whether those party insiders had a responsibility to align themselves with the popular vote, she responded: "That's not the way the process works.… are to exercise independent judgment. It's very important that they exercise that judgment based on who they believe will lead to the best nominee.… Superdelegates are supposed to take all that information on board and supposed to be exercising the judgment that people would have exercised if this information and challenges had been available several months ago.""

She sincerely sucks.

Wat to enfranchise the voters, Hil. Scream some more about MI and FL.

[crispini]

11. The superdelegates are not stupid.

Sure, they're party insiders, but THEY WANT TO WIN. Downballot races, too!

Plus, they have been through campaigns, they are political animals, they are watching this whole thing just as closely as we are.

Most of them will break for Obama.

[tabasco]

13. Good point. We should let our betters vote for us.

That's really smart.

[crispini]

15. Um, kind of not what I said?

And anyway, it's a party primary, not a general election.

[tabasco]

20. I was typing faster than thinking.

Sorry.

[John Q. Citizen]

23. Yep. They have been breaking to Obama for a while now. I expect by the time we get to

Montana and S. Dekota that within a week or so following Obama will be declared nominee by virtue of having won enough pledged delegates and declared Supers to be over the top.

As far as reforming the selection system goes, I'd be willing to hear ideas. Just as soon as the current process is finished.

[Me.]

12. So I Guess It No Longer Takes A Village

[AzDar]

22. Nah, it STILL takes a village... of Superdelegates!

:puke:

[Cha]

14. Cool! In Business Week!

hilary is so full shyte they're callin' her the "New Queen of Mean".

"Hillary Clinton began her run for the White House assuming she could phone in her campaign. But the American people didn't get the message. Hell hath no fury like a control freak thwarted. Because she lags behind Senator Barack Obama (D-Ill.) in electoral delegates and popular votes, her Presidential ambitions are likely to rest on the Democratic Party elites known as superdelegates. Clinton appeared on the Today Show, fresh from her Ohio victory, and let slip what she really thinks of the electorate."

[McCamy Taylor]

17. And Obama is going to get 2024 how now that he wont let Michigan or Florida vote?

Does Obama think that articles like these are going to make Superdelegates run from Hilary as if she has cooties?

[wileedog]

19. No, they are not going to go against the PDs

Multiple SDs have said so, the Queen Suoerdelagate Pelosi has said so.

Why is this so hard to understand?

[VADem11]

30. 2024 is without MI or FL

And he has a much better chance of getting to 2024 than Hillary does.

[PetraPooh]

21. "Queen" of Mean, that's so SEXIST! (sarcasm off)

[better tomorrow]

25. Burger Queen?

[FlyingSquirrel]

26. In reality it's a sound idea

Namely, if one candidate is ahead of the other, but something serious comes up AFTER the voters have made their choices that would certainly have changed many peoples' minds (and will likely be severely damaging in the GE to the candidate who is currently ahead in the delegate count) the superdelegates are there to "save the day" for the party.

I'd like to keep that option open for our party. So it's a sound idea.

The only thing is, if you think Jeremiah Wright is that "something serious" that has now come up, you're probably just a dyed-in-the-wool Clinton supporter and not an impartial observer.

So far, to the average impartial observer, NOTHING has come up which would warrant the superdelegates overturning the Pledged Delegate count.

Similarly if Clinton were the leader right now and the Repugs had perhaps had a preference to run against Obama, and ran a Drudge-like snark attack against Clinton showing, say, her long-time pastor making some inflammatory comments about 9-11 and America in general, this would not be sufficient grounds for the superdelegates to overturn her lead in the popular vote and pledged delegates.

Can the vast majority of us agree on the above?

[rodeodance]

27. ********FLAME BAIT****NAME-CALLING A DEM CANDIDATE. SHAME ON YOU

[Forkboy]

28. Everybody drink!

:beer:

[better tomorrow]

29. slurp

[tabasco]

31. Gulp!

:toast: :beer:

[better tomorrow]

32. ah, shucks...you got a party goin' on....

:party: