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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:12 AM
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Christopher Hitchens: How did I get Iraq wrong? I didn't
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 05:14 AM by rpannier
christopher "bush's bffe" hitchens is still in there lying and obfuscating...

This is all overshadowed by the unarguable hash that was made of the intervention itself. But I would nonetheless maintain that this incompetence doesn't condemn the enterprise wholesale. A much-wanted war criminal was put on public trial. The Kurdish and Shiite majority was rescued from the ever-present threat of a renewed genocide. A huge, hideous military and party apparatus, directed at internal repression and external aggression was (perhaps overhastily) dismantled. The largest wetlands in the region, habitat of the historic Marsh Arabs, have been largely recuperated. Huge fresh oilfields have been found, including in formerly oil free Sunni provinces, and some important initial investment in them made. Elections have been held, and the outline of a federal system has been proposed as the only alternative to a) a sectarian despotism and b) a sectarian partition and fragmentation. Not unimportantly, a battlefield defeat has been inflicted on al-Qaida and its surrogates, who (not without some Baathist collaboration) had hoped to constitute the successor regime in a failed state and an imploded society. Further afield, a perfectly defensible case can be made that the Syrian Baathists would not have evacuated Lebanon, nor would the Qaddafi gang have turned over Libya's (much higher than anticipated) stock of WMD if not for the ripple effect of the removal of the region's keystone dictatorship.

None of these positive developments took place without a good deal of bungling and cruelty and unintended consequences of their own. I don't know of a satisfactory way of evaluating one against the other any more than I quite know how to balance the disgrace of Abu Ghraib, say, against the digging up of Saddam's immense network of mass graves. There is, however, one position that nobody can honestly hold but that many people try their best to hold. And that is what I call the Bishop Berkeley theory of Iraq, whereby if a country collapses and succumbs to trauma, and it's not our immediate fault or direct responsibility, then it doesn't count, and we are not involved. Nonetheless, the very thing that most repels people when they contemplate Iraq, which is the chaos and misery and fragmentation (and the deliberate intensification and augmentation of all this by the jihadists), invites the inescapable question: What would post-Saddam Iraq have looked like without a coalition presence?


link:
http://www.slate.com/id/2186740/pagenum/2/

on note:
it must suck being hitchens.
First he was a loud-mouthed apologist for the soviets and now he's carrying DUH-bya's water
Must suck being on the wrong side of the most significant events of the past 50 years -- both times.

Makes me wonder if he wouldn't be waving the swastika if he were around in 1932.


on edit:
wrong place.hit the wrong button...sorry This should have been GD
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:18 AM
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1. Back on the sauce again, perhaps?
He seems to have periods where he cuts back, and others where he is pretty well pickled.

Maybe he's having the DT's and seeing the ghost of Mother Theresa in the corner, mocking him....
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:58 AM
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2. Ahhh...the old "invasion was right but just badly done" trick.
The entire foundation of invading Iraq was rotten from the beginning thus the entire house will eventually collapse. To take the metaphor farther - in Hitch's world if we had just used granite counter tops in the kitchen all would be good - even though the foundation is full of holes and cracks.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:01 AM
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3. Hitchens will *never* acknowledge error.
Esp. one of that magnitude.

It's not in him.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:46 AM
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4. Hitchens is the asshole against which all other assholes are measured.
The funniets part is that we saved wetlands, especially since its wrong...we destroyed wetlands and the war has killed thousands of animals...oh, not to mention destroying ancient relics.

Did I mention hundreds of thousands of human lives?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:58 AM
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5. There are over 1 million Sunnis in Syria who are afraid to go home
The Syrians already host 400,000 Palestinians and the Iraqi refugees are costing them $2 billion a year (our contribution: $0). We won't let them immigrate here because we're afraid of them. We have dumped a massive new refugee problem onto a region that can't handle it, opened the door to a new Shia-dominated (read "Iran") state in the heart of the Middle East with a violent and uncertain future, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people either directly or indirectly, demoralized our military, and blown a fortune in the process.

Other than that, I guess Hitchens has a point...
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:16 AM
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6. I can't help but like Hitchens
He's thoughtful, incredibly intelligent, and really has a way with words. He is one of the best debaters I have ever seen.

I know, he's seeing the world through a different set of lenses. I don't agree with many of his stances, but I like to read him making his point.

Even though he's a "ex-troskyite popinjay".
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