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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:19 AM
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Poll question: GDP Roll Call: Hillary or Barack?
or "other"
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:20 AM
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1. Obama. If Hillary wins this by anything other than Barack stepping down, I go third party.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:22 AM
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5. I think we are going to need a wa-a-a-a-a-ambulance.
:eyes:
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:04 AM
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34. So Old
you all need some new insults.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:07 AM
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43. They're all out picking up your fellow Hillaroids
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:30 AM
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18. dumb.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:03 AM
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91. I have to disagree
ANY Democrat would be better than McCain. Period. Including Hillary.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:21 AM
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2. Do you even need to ask? This whole website should be renamed "OU." nt
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:22 AM
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4. Do you wonder why?
n/t
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:22 AM
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9. I know why. nt
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:03 AM
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32. no kidding... because DU is not a reflection of the general populace.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:22 AM
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6. I Know, But I'm Curious Just How One-Sided It Is
So far, it looks like OU.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:23 AM
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10. DUers have always hated Clinton.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:31 AM
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20. Kos said she polled at 13% over there, which he thought was
completely expected.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:05 AM
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39. Sounds about right.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:29 AM
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15. ha ha--good luck
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:49 AM
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23. The blogosphere is no reflection of the real world. Wright polls higher than Clinton here
:eyes:
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:59 AM
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25. I like Wright.
I'd go to his church before just about any other one. His preaching is a powerful statement of social justice. The truth is a powerful thing.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:02 AM
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31. Ok, so we'll put you in the
Govt invented AIDS group.
Congrats!
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:06 AM
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42. It's plausible.
There's no evidence of it, but I don't think it's beyond the pale to suggest it, what with everything else the government has done. But I prefer to stick to facts: there's enough confirmed crime by the government to expose and publicize.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:19 AM
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50. "There's no evidence of it"
this is correct.
Perhaps someone should tell the "reverend"
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:27 AM
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56. Why put "reverend" in quotes? Are you saying he's not a reverend?
I don't understand your particular use of this rhetorical device.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:41 AM
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68. In my opinion, someone who preaches "God Damn America"
and someone who preaches nut case conspiracy theories with "no evidence of it" is not reverent.

I understand that you think highly of him but I disagree.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:52 AM
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70. You think God should bless America for being racist?
Why wouldn't he damn America for its sins and only bless it for its virtues?
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:08 AM
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44. You forgot to add the "sarcasm" thingy to your post.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:34 AM
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62. No sarcasm here.
I don't like sarcasm in political matters.

I like Wright. I think his statements are often provocative and incendiary. But I like that. It's better to go over the mark on some things in order to jar people. People need jarring from time to time in this country.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:36 AM
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64. Got proof?
Other than the one out of your ass?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:53 PM
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74. Keep telling yourself that. You are about to be homeless.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:27 AM
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13. Is someone forcing you to point your web browser in this direction? Just curious.
:shrug:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:21 AM
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52. DU is a website for Liberals/Progressives.
You will not find much support for conservatives here.

Find a website for Democrats who support the Iraq Occupation, Blame the Iraqis, and love Corporate Lobbyists and you will find more Hillary supporters.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:01 AM
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90. they have not yet come to the bitter conclusion that the netroots....
and the DLC are mortal enemies. What I don't get is why they're surprised? :shrug:
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:21 AM
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3. I'm voting for Please Specify. I like Please Specify much more than both Obama and Hillary
I think we should have a national Do-Over primary and put all 9 candidates back on a ballot and let everyone vote all on that day.

Betcha 40 bucks Edwards wins.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:22 AM
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8. I Like That! (nt)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:24 AM
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11. No wait! Best 6 outta 7! I swear my guy can win!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:22 AM
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7. I have an agreement with my best male pal who is a Pubbie...
...we both hate McCain and we both hate Hillary. It it is a McCain - Hillary race in November, we both abstain from voting for the top of the ticket. If it is an McCain - Obama race, we will both vote for Obama.

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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:43 AM
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21. Don't you consider his anti-American upbringing and his
admiration of his anti-American preacher a detriment to the country? Don't you think his wife's statement about never being proud of America until BO was doing good in the race an honest but inappropriate statement for a want to be first lady of the country? Do you think his constant harping on race baiting issues has stirred up racial tensions never seen in the past 50 yrs? Don't you think he has shown he is not ready for the job of President of the US under these circumstances, let alone simply not qualified for the job? Don't you think him allowing his daughters to hear all the anti white, hate America spiel will cause them harm as they grow older and go out into the world where there are alot of people besides AA?
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:01 AM
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29. I think the more time people get to know who he really is
The more support he will have. His speech solidified a lot of his supporters.
America is ready for a winner.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:04 AM
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36. the more people have actually gotten to know about him, the worse he has done.
he is getting vetted now and dropping like a rock.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:21 AM
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53. Nope
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:32 AM
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60. i think everything you just said was pure propaganda.
and completely false. i will answer one point, tho.
since i live in chicago, i happen to know something about the neighborhood that his daughters are being raised in. it is one of the most ethnically diverse in the country, like the larger city, but there are still some segregated spots. it is a place fondly referred to as "the people's republic of hyde park", home to the university of chicago. it is a neighborhood with an extremely rich culture. and it is a neighborhood where the color of ones skin is barely noticed.
so, i have no fear for his daughters right now. of course, they are about to spend 8 years in dc, so....

but really, you need to turn off the tv.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:12 PM
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82. Thanks for sharing, Mr. Hannity. nt
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:05 AM
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92. You "Hillary" people are scaring me...
This sudden streak of uber-patriotism sounds like what we've experienced since 9/11. Any dissent is met with labels of Anti-Americanism. Ann Coulter would be proud.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:25 AM
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12. Wes Clark - If Clinton and Obama keep duking it out
The General might just sweep into the convention and leave with the nomination. Yeah that will happen when the Georgia Bulldogs win the SEC tournament.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:05 AM
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37. love me some Clark, but this is just as dumb as saying Gore will step in.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:28 AM
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14. this will be a very skewed poll considering that BO supp. vastly out-number Hill. supportes
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:29 AM
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16. So, er...wouldn't that be an "accurate" poll rather than a "skewed" poll?
Since it's quite clearly a poll of GDP and GDP only, intending to determine who GDP supports?
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:47 AM
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22. It simply means Hillary supporters have left DU for a friendlier
environment.
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:59 AM
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27. Puerto Rico? n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:28 AM
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57. No - it's non scientific, but the op is clearly stating it as a poll of DU support
so the Sampling frame is active DU members.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:30 AM
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17. Gobama!
:thumbsup:
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:31 AM
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19. Any hard core democrat wouldn't like the Clinton's because they weakened the party..
and brought the party to the right...which they are still doing. Because Hillarat will not concede to the leader, the party is at war with itself and is increasing the chances of another 4 years of Nazi rule. Also, we lost a lot of seats when Bill was in office.
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:51 AM
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24. Funny, when I logged on the poll on yahoo's website shows Hillary
with a significant lead over BO.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:02 AM
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30. For sure it's not the AA vote here at DU, there are not that many
of us.

I saw a poll here the other day and I was really surprised that there were so few AA's here.

That's OK with me.

Just saying,BObama is not winning votes at DU because AA's are voting in a huge block here for Sen. Obama.

But for sure I am voting for Obama, not because he is AA but because he reaches out to all people,that is the main thing I like about him.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:59 AM
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26. kick
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:00 AM
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28. It amazes me how given the popular support Obama has here how the anti-Obama posts continue to
dominate.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:03 AM
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33. Anti-Obama Posts Continue to "Dominate"?
:rofl:

Look a little closer my friend.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:04 AM
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35. Other: Draft John Edwards.
He's our only hope as a nation.

And his nomination is the only hope for restoring sanity to this DU forum.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:32 AM
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59. Why draft a man who won exactly one competitive primary in 2 years of running
Not to mention he RAN this time and lost soundly to both Obama and HRC. One of the 2 of them will be the nominee. (Gore and Kerry at least demonstrated they could win in 2000 and 2004 - and I do not think it fair to draft either of them or even both.)
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:05 AM
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38. Obama 85%, Hillary 14%. GDO It Is
Why do I bother?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:06 AM
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40. Wow, if these numbers hold
Barack won over some Hillary supporters. I witnessed that among a few after his speech Tuesday, but I wasn't sure if it would be this large a number.

It's currently 10 pts off the usual number.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:11 AM
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47. Please Know That Many Hillary People Have Left Here
I haven't taken the "hint," yet anyway.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:17 AM
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48. Many are on strike? Or are you referring to the tombstoned?
There's not that many of them. Many have not left as they're still posting every day.

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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:58 PM
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72. Definitely Not The Ones who Were Tombstoned, Just Some who Chose To Leave
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:24 AM
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55. We don't want to lose good people. No one hints that you should leave.
Just that everyoone should try to be reasonable.

To be at least open to listening, and not over-the-top evil in their attacks on the man who will be our candidate.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:06 AM
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41. if this is really the result of the poll
why are there 1903489023894023489032849 non-voting Hillary supporters posting crap all over the place? :wtf:
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:11 AM
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46. Cha-ching. They are getting paid. And some are actually just stubborn people who are entrenched.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:20 AM
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51. Well...
...it's probably just a coincidence, but I have 24, mostly low-count, recently registered at DU people on my ignore list. At the time that I post this, there are 26 votes for Hillary. Wait - don't go postal on me yet!

I know that there are a number of sincere, thoughtful, passionate Hillary supporters here at DU. I try very hard to keep these people off of my ignore list, because I really, REALLY hate using it. I've been here since 2001, and this is the very first time I've ever had to use the ignore feature. I even have a 'safety valve' test which will cause me to immediately remove someone from my ignore list (PM me if you want to know. If you've been here a while, and I don't feel you're a potential instigator, I'll let you know what it is. :evilgrin:)



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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:22 AM
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54. I think there's something like a dozen honest Hillary supporters actively posting. No more.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:08 PM
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73. kick
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:31 PM
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76. .
:kick:
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:21 AM
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86. .
:kick:
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:18 PM
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88. .
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:10 AM
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45. It has never been a competition on DU.
Some people are just loud as hell and make it seem as if there are more Hil supporters than there are.

Some of it is alos probably plants, if you want to be fully honest. Not many, but 5 or 6 would make a LOT of noise.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:18 AM
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49. Many HRC supporters have left DU
Many! That's right, many.
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DemzRock Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:30 AM
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58. OK.. so where's a pro-Hillary site then?
;-)

Where have they gone?
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:39 AM
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65. Probably to Hillaryis44.org
or hillaryhub.org or delegatehub.org or Bartcop or wherever the pro-Clinton websites go these days...
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:33 AM
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61. I will write in Obama's name if he is not the nominee
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:34 AM
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63. all the boards I have seen have the same % of Obama followers
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:40 AM
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66. Ironically, it is the Clinton campaign which has been "smoke and mirrors" though she
charges that of the Obama campaign.

Hil has no real support compared with Obama. Lukewarm and far-between on the Net.

She has never been a good candidate.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:40 AM
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67. clinton never gets more than 11-12% in these polls...
the clinton supporters, loud and rude though they are...are def a minority here on DU.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:44 AM
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69. Actually, that's not true
Even last week's GDP polls had her getting her usual 24-26%.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:39 AM
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87. Yep. n/t
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:53 AM
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71. Obama
:)
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:55 PM
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75. Wow, are we still at 84% Obama? Come on Hillary supporters!
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:34 PM
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77. Obama will be the dem candidate for POTUS
Unless Hillary steals it from him. If that is the case she will never win in the GE with her sky high negatives and the mountain of dirt her former right wing allies will dump on her.
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IndependentDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:38 PM
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78. I am for Obama but will vote for Clinton if she is the nom.
IF ALL ELSE FAILS WE MUST VOTE AGAINST MCCAIN! voting third party or not voting is voting FOR maccain. period.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:40 PM
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79. Hillary, but would vote 4 Obama in Nov.
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:07 PM
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80. Obama supporter checking in. n/t
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Europeanblogger Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:09 PM
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81. The numbers seem to always be constant
Every time a poll is conducted here, Obama's support hovers 82%. Interesting.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:19 PM
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83. Its a Pub set up....we are being trolled....its com'p...take the numbers w salt
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:32 PM
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84. Can't imagine how a small numbers of trolls would do that or wtf you're suggesting...
Pretty unclear what you're thinking.

Sounds like a muddled theory to me.

It is consistent because the people that come here are consistent.

Makes sense, yeah?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:45 AM
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85. Who said small amount of trolls??? Itsd larger than we realise...numbers are an indication...
watch for patterns...
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 10:45 AM
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89. Results: This is GD: Obamanoid Country
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 11:07 AM
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93. As of this morning, 298 Votes for Obama, 59 for HRC.
:thumbsup:
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