Even if HRC did do the impossible and beat McCain

[Ken Burch]

(which would be a slight improvement for the country, of course)

Her rage and hate-based campaign guarantees she CAN'T be progressive in office.

You can't win ugly and govern for hope and change.

I just wish people could understand this.

Obama's campaign, whatever else you can say about it, was always based on a positive vision. HRC's was never based on anything but her belief that the party owed her the nomination. She never wanted things to be better.

The fact that she doesn't care that she's destroying our chances for victory by staying in when she knows she can't be nominated and all of her supporters know the same proves this.

Please, folks, for the love of God, do what's right and end this. There can no longer be a positive reason to continue the HRC campaign. You're better people than this.

Do what's right and let hope win.

And I'd be telling Obama to get out if he was in HRC's place too, just for the record.

[BeyondGeography]

1. Mrs. Reality Check needs a reality check

[LSparkle]

2. Imagine HRC trying to work with the Senate ...

All those people she dissed on her way back to the WH. I don't think Ted Kennedy is going to
sign on to healthcare without some convincing. I don't think John Kerry will be offering
advice on Iraq. I get the distinct impression that she'll get a chilly response on Capitol
Hill even if Dems are running the show.

[Texas Hill Country]

3. ignored.

[dionysus]

6. awww,

here's your banky;

[LakeSamish706]

4. Something else that certainly has come to light of late.....

Hillary's flip-flop routine... ie: NAFTA... I was for it before I was against it (in order to sway more votes of course).

There are many others out there I am sure....

[Kittycat]

5. After 8 years of hate and resentment building, in HOPE of change...

Some are just more comfortable cozying up to hate in "hope" to get the revenge they want. Despite the fact that this gets us no where.

[ronnykmarshall]

7. I think I'm gonna hurl!

:eyes:

[Tesha]

17. Overexposure to Hillary can have that effect on people. (NT)

[ronnykmarshall]

25. Oh my sides! Oh STOP!

The laughter! The wit! Oh quit! You're killing me! Oh someone call the Tonight show. A new star is BORN!

Can I have you permission to use that WITTY line?

I've never heard ANYTHING so funny EVER. EVER I say!!!

Darling, YOU are a new Lenny Bruce!!

Oh, my go. My mascara is running from laughing so hard!

Say it again, just once more please?

[Tesha]

30. Brevity is the soul of wit.

And I fear thou protest too much.

Tesha

[jobycom]

8. Well, here's what I wish you could understand.

Obama has run the dirtiest campaign any Democrat has run in my lifetime. He's been negative since day one, distorting Clinton's IWR vote, pretending he was against the IWR vote (even though he had previously admitted he might have voted for it), attacking her on taking lobbyist and corporate money when he did both, and playing up the sexism card every chance he got. First he ran as a "not black" candidate, and when he realize he wouldn't win that way, he race-baited Clinton over her LBJ comments, then accused her of going racist when she defended herself. He's not clean, he's not positive, he's Lee Atwater.

Clinton has responded to him, but not with hate or rage. I watched this race from a neutral corner until very recently, and I'm experienced enough at politics to recognize what I see. Obama's greatest gift is feigning innocense, but he is not.

So, for the love of God and America and everything that's holy, let's defeat Obama. Let's put someone in office who can handle the job rather than an inexperienced worm who takes all sides of every issue, who votes identical to Clinton and pretends he's more liberal, who breaks his campaign promises before he's even elected.

Clinton has shown more honor, more integrity, and more experience than Obama from the beginning, and has faced more sexist crap, more lies, more slanders, than any candidate I've seen since her husband went through this crap. If Obama had faced a tenth of this, he wouldn't have handled it with as much dignity as she has.

Obama would be an unmitigated disaster in the White House. He has no experience, and his weak character would result in him flip-flopping on every issue. If he made ti four years without resigning or being impeached, he would leave the country and the Democratic Party in such a mess that it would be another 12 to 16 years before we would get another Democrat in office.

That's what I see. That's why I support Clinton, and not Obama. And that's what I learned objectively, not supporting any candidate until I had seen this all play out. That's why he should step down, or get voted down. You may not see it, but I want you to at least be introduced to the concept that others see things completely differently than you do, and that's exactly why we have elections.

[nonconformist]

9. Great post! nt

[Arugula Latte]

10. Clinton -- honor and integrity? What a joke!

She's the most arrogant, destructive candidate and she changes her tune ("MI and Fla. don't count ... oh, wait, I'm losing ... yes they DO count!"). She's running a nasty, nasty campaign and aligned herself with McCain. Nice definition of "honor and integrity" you have there!

[jconner27]

23. put a cork in it

So my state of Michigan shouldn't be counted ok when McCain wins the state you and the other Obama followers can't whine.

[Arugula Latte]

24. Counting a vote that DIDN'T HAVE A CANDIDATE'S NAME on the ballot is ridiculous!

Hillary said herself it wouldn't count. You really think it's fair to count the results of that election? What a joke.

If they had a re-vote with both names, then, yes, that should count.

[light catcher]

11. You've got to be kidding

an inexperienced worm? I can't take anything you said seriously because you said that. wow, that's sad.

[Ken Burch]

13. Better to go with the EXPERIENCED worm, then?

Just sayin'.

[jconner27]

12. What

I have serious doubts about how genuine the concerns of Obama supporters when it comes to party unity because when it look like Hillary was about to become the nominee all I heard on progressive talk and read on progressive blogs that if she wins the nomination Obama supporters have said they won't vote for her despite knowing they could enabling an Republican victory in November. The same people who said they wasn't going to vote for her are now asking Hillary Clinton to drop out due to fears of losing in November.

Have to correct you Ken Obama campaign is pretty much sound like the 2000 campaign of George W. Bush and you mixed the unity message with very vague concepts of what he will do for America once he becomes president. Back to your claim rage and hate based when did that happen granted Hillary campaign hasn't been prefect it was your guy that allow his flunkies to run to the media to claim that Bill Clinton was racist and it was your guy lumping in a Democrat with the opposition party.

I guess the new Obama supporter message is give up so we can(when I say we that Obama supporters actually mean Barack) to win

[Ken Burch]

14. HRC stopped being the frontrunner in Iowa. Since then, Obama has clearly had the momentum and won

people's hearts.

It's a question of whether we want a Democratic president that matters. Only one that inspires can matter. One that doesn't inspire can't do anything that matters. Mundane can't be progressive.

[jconner27]

21. If you believe the hype or not

After eight years of Bush's speeches anything would sound inspiring, the idea he inspire is based on people opinion because not everyone who hear him speak will go damn that was great where in the hell can I sign up for him? I want a president that does the job not a president that I can go isn't he dreamy when he speaks I had enough with the president I rather have a beer with. I want a president that make tough choices anytime Obama has been face with a tough choice he ducks stage right. You can bash Hillary for her Iraq vote, but you don't know how Obama would have voted and his speech against the Iraq war doesn't prove anything when you actually look at where and who he was giving the speech to.

[depakid]

15. Anyone who CAN'T or WON'T fight dirty will not win

much less govern.

I suggest those who want to take the "high road" against Republicans hit the highway- because neither America nor the Democratic party can afford that milquetoast crap this time.

[joshcryer]

18. This is exactly right. Obama was fighting dirty from the start. Hillary didn't go dirty until TX.

And she benefitted from it.

[Ken Burch]

20. She can't benefit enough from it to get nominated,

And she'll have no chance of holding the idealistic new voters that Obama brought in if she does win ugly. And it goes without saying that if she's nominated ugly she'll be unable to govern as a non-conservative.

At best, she'd be the last two years of LBJ or the last two years of Carter. We shouldn't settle for that.

[Ken Burch]

19. I'm all for fighting hard and fighting back against the Right.

My point is that it's not appropriate to do it to Democrats, especially to the leading Democratic candidate when that candidate was running strongest against the Republican(HRC was never strong against McCain).

[depakid]

26. This may well will end up "pulling the teeth of the tiger"

which is what savvy trial lawyers do when "nasty things" are out there that might otherwise come in as impeachment on cross x.

Better that Clinton and the Dems air it out now rather than wait to get smacked down after the convention, when the far right will have more control of the narratives.

[Ken Burch]

28. Did you even actually think before you posted that, or just mindless parrot the Clinton "line".

I am so freaking sick of this repeated "we HAVE to do it" meme.

No, you DON'T have to do it.

The only person HRC should EVER have attacked was McCain. There was no good reason to savage the person who was and is ahead of her in delegate strength.

[Medusa]

16. She is a smart woman but her decision-making is deeply flawed

and that alone would make her as bad as Bush. Add in the fact that she will spend the majority of her time settling scores and carrying out vendettas, plus her way-too-cozy relationship with big money interests that rivals that of any GOPer EVER and we have all the ingredients of a disaster in the making.

[hulklogan]

22. Obama Supporters are learning great things from Senator Clinton

like how to run a "rage and hate-based campaign" of their own.

[RichGirl]

27. Her rage and hate are...

...figments of your imagination, with the help of Olbermann and others like him. If our chances of victory are at risk and I don't think they are...it is due to people like him who present their biased opinions as facts. Both Gore and Kerry were accused of running bad and weak campaigns because they didn't fight back or strike back or defend themselves. She is running a very strong and smart campaign. Hillary is running the kind of campaign we need to win. She's not afraid to fight, she points out weaknesses without being mean or personal. Would you have any respect for someone who quit when they were so close to possibly winning? I wouldn't.

[Ken Burch]

29. Democrats are only SUPPOSED to fight ugly against the GOP

Not against OTHER Democrats.

And she's less close to winning than Obama is, so she should feel SOME obligation not to destroy the person who probably will be nominated.

The attitude in your post is so revealing.

You STILL think that HRC is simply entitled to shove Obama aside for the nomination and then DEMAND loyalty from the millions of voters who backed him. You don't get it that you need to show respect to their candidate now to be able to get his backers support later(that is, if he does somehow lose).

P.S., the phrase "biased opinions" is redundant.

[crankychatter]

31. Why do Clinton supporters have the morals of Rove?

are they really Democrats?

I find that hard to believe.

[Hieronymus]

34. I wonder the same thing .. but then, the DLC is very different from the DNC.

[Perry Logan]

32. I guess y'all are gonna be pretty cranky for the next eight years.

[Ken Burch]

33. If you're candidate stays in and causes a McCain win,

which is all she CAN do(since we all know she'll never be popular again)we sure as hell will be.

You know as well as I there's no POSITIVE case for HRC continuing to campaign. It clearly proves she's not loyal to the Democratic Party.

And it clearly proves she's not progressive.