Dates on passport breaches really suspicious.

[Teaser]

From TPM

A few more details about the Obama passport breach. According to a new piece out in the Post from Glenn Kessler, the breaches occurred Jan. 9th, Feb. 21st and March 14th.

That would be the day after the New Hampshire primary, the day of the Democratic debate in Texas and the day the Wright story really hit.

--Josh Marshall

[slinkerwink]

1. I didn't realize those were the dates of the primaries

[damndude]

43. the dates could be completely irrelevant

the activity is the issue and the people, and their associates should be the focus, if there is collusion or conspiracy that is where the facts will lie. but as has been reported the fact that the first two employees have been dismissed then there may be no recurs for state to haul them back for a follow up investigation. that means they need to be hauled into an investigation by either the justice dpt or the fbi. my feeling though is that much of this is more of the machinations of the bush administration and their attempts to rig the November election no matter how public they are making it.
but if you about the dates then you would want to match up th events affecting the obama campaign after those dates as opposed to on or before. as his passports contains his social security number and names and phone numbers in his life traveling the world over the passed 30 some odd years, then his passports are only the map into digging into his past.

[AZBlue]

2. Hmmmmm......

So perhaps the same person was also the one responsible for the Wright "leak"? Things are starting to come together now...

[Teaser]

4. I'm not sure it's that simple

I can't make that connection from the data. It's just...those dates...why would they coincide like that?

[rug]

6. Indeed.

[KittyWampus]

37. Honestly, the only wild leap I'd take is- Mediawhores were looking for dirt.

[SunsetDreams]

3. this is weird nt

[Coexist]

5. that is strange timing if it was just curious kids.

[tishaLA]

7. I was just about to post this

It's mighty peculiar indeed.

[slinkerwink]

9. it is

[Horse with no Name]

8. It was Professor Plum in the Living Room with the candlestick. n/t

[Colobo]

10. So, what's your take on the story? Hannity? McCain? Condi? Bush?

Hillary? Who's behind this?

[Horse with no Name]

18. The answer is obvious.

It is Bush's State Department.
Which is why it concerns me that these allegations about "dates" are flying around.
Somewhere, somehow, someone will blame Clinton--if they haven't already.
If people believe that Clinton has a mole in Bush's State Department, then they need some serious psychiatric help.

The shit slung around in this is very Rovian in nature--most of it is blamed on Clinton, but I seriously don't believe it is her doing. Even when Edwards was in the race. There was never a doubt that the republicans would figure out a way to fuck this up for us.
Never a doubt. The dirty tricks in this entire cycle have had republican smear all over them--on both sides, yet Hillary has gotten the blame for all of it.

Democrats are fools to blame other Democrats. But it has succeeded in dividing the party. Do you REALLY think that ANY Democrat would set out to do that? No.

The forces behind the dirty tricks in this entire campaign have been republican forces.

Of that, I have no doubts.

[Bonobo]

32. To me, you are now "Horse With a Name". And that name is...

[Horse with no Name]

36. Oh bonobo

I have had my own name for you from the first time I crossed your path.
Do you *really* think I care what you call me?:rofl:

[Voice for Peace]

48. LOL thanks

[Kittycat]

11. Entry level people that have access are the best place to put your mole.

Appearance of reason can be easily dismissed.

[futureliveshere]

12. I don't believe in coincidences

There is something fishy here. I don't know what, but this whole thing stinks!! What if someone uses his SSN and abuses his ID, buys/does something immoral. Then that news blows out into another controversy. Then what? Is that even possible?

edited to correct a typo

[Horse with no Name]

25. Your passport does NOT have your Social Security Number on it

Just so you know that.

[futureliveshere]

38. Its not the Passport

Its the passport FILE!!! DUH!!!

This has everything in it.

[Horse with no Name]

42. Okay...think about this

Do you really *think* that if someone was after his Social Security number...that they wouldn't just get it from the SS Administration?
That isn't what they are after.
They are after potentially damning trips that the Senator has made to Muslim countries/Africa/Kenya and the dates of those trips.

THAT is what they were after.

[Cass]

53. Yes.

They are after potentially damning trips that the Senator has made to Muslim countries/Africa/Kenya and the dates of those trips.

The GOP was digging for something to smear Obama with in the GE. I am certain of this.

[futureliveshere]

55. hmmm,,, good point

I agree with that too.

[futureliveshere]

56. Updated response

After spending some more time on the web I just read:

A passport record typically consists of applications made by a person for a U.S. passport, together with supporting evidence of U.S. citizenship. The records include details such as date and place of birth, naturalization details, family status, occupation and physical characteristics. Passport records do not include evidence of travel, such as exit and entrance stamps, visas or residence permits.

So my original assumption stands.

Here's the link:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/21/112546/058/604/481472

[Colobo]

27. Very fishy indeed. Obama's people need to push this story hard.

[anamandujano]

40. To try to change the story from Wright, right?

:rofl:

[Mags]

52. Oh, yeah, I will guarantee you , it will be Hillary's fault before this is settled. It will also be ...

a racist move.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

13. I don't think the two individuals were fired by the State Department

They weren't employees of the State Department. They were employees of a private contracting company. I believe that State told the private company about it and the private company handled it and fired two individuals and disciplined a third. If that's the case, then there was no investigation but the firing of the two employees was handled entirely by the private contracting company that had the hiring/firing authority.

[Barack_America]

14. Actually, what makes it more weird is, why JUST Obama?

If it is just "curiousity"?

Why wasn't anyone interested in Hillary, assuming her passport has similar levels of protection. Why not McCain?

Why just Obama on three separate occasions?

[nashville_brook]

30. that's a good question. seems there's lots of other "imprudent curiosity"-worthy individuals.

[Tatiana]

15. THREE different kids were curious on these THREE different dates? n/t

[Teaser]

17. And 2 of them from the same contracting company

that's weird too.

I want the name of that company and who they're donating to.

[Tatiana]

21. I want the name of BOTH companies. n/t

[Barack_America]

29. And meanwhile the supervisors decide NOT to notify higher-ups...

While it happens again and again.

This is egregious.

[DJ13]

16. Thats too coincedental to be just curiosity

And since Obama isnt the nominee Im not inclined to believe this was done for the Bush administration.

Besides, they would have used someone with the proper clearence so there wouldnt have been any alarms or evidence of looking at those records.

That leaves three possibilities.

The RNC or the DLC, or the Clinton campaign.

Im not jumping to conclusions (yet), just putting out the only groups I can think of with a motive.

[Horse with no Name]

35. Actually you ARE jumping to conclusions

these folks have already played you guys like fiddles...you believe the very worst of other Democrats.
Does THAT tend to make you give pause?
Our party at this point in time SHOULD be standing together like at no time in History.
You have to ask yourself why we aren't and who stands to lose or gain the most by that.

The answer...regardless of the power you "seem" to believe that Hillary has...a divided party does NOT serve her.

The ONLY person that is served by a divided Democratic Party is a republican.

ZOMG! But to believe that, you *might* have to believe that you have been played like a Stradivarius. Willingly.

[DJ13]

41. ..regardless of the power you "seem" to believe that Hillary has..

It doesnt take power to buy private contractors.

[Horse with no Name]

44. It takes MAJOR power to put them into an administration

in the State Department, no less.

[KittyWampus]

39. you left out Media, they could have been digging for dirt too.

[anamandujano]

45. You're not jumping to conclusions, you're smearing to conclusions.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

19. I love Josh, but that's idiotic.

All dates for the last four months have been laden with campaign import.

That's the nature of campaigns.

And you don't do opposition research the day before a primary or a debate.

(Unless there has been a "just-in-time delivery" supply chain revolution in oppo research)

I have no doubt this is a political opps research thing, but the dates themselves are not particularly suggestive.

[Teaser]

20. thank you for your opinion

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[Teaser]

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[Teaser]

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[americanstranger]

33. Heh, heh. You said 'been laden.'

Huh huh.

- as

[Voice for Peace]

49. LOLOL!! "been laden"

too funny

[Orangepeel]

22. There has been SOMETHING almost daily since Iowa

I am supporting Obama and I am in no way trying to make excuses for whoever looked up his passport info. There needs to be a serious investigation.

But I'm hesitant to read anything into the timing if these are all that happened on those dates. Why the day after the New Hampshire primary? Why not the day after Iowa? Why the day of the Texas debate? What's the big deal about that one versus the other 20some?

:shrug:

[TheDoorbellRang]

23. Cui bono?

Where has Obama been that could be political fodder? The only place I know he's gone is Africa -- Kenya in particular. So what angle are they after?

[cbayer]

28. You really are a teaser.

Why don't you just come out and say it?

[Teaser]

31. it

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[cbayer]

34. Well said.

I love teasers when they are funny.

[Horse with no Name]

46. Why doesn't it make sense

That the RW didn't find obama to be a serious contender until AFTER the NH Primary?

[Teaser]

47. I think I actually have sussed out a connection

One that isn't necessarily nefarious, but might be.

These points represent "inflection points" in the campaign, times when people were arguing momentum might shift one way or another.

It might be as simple as someone thinking such inflection points might be good times to do some opposition research.

[slinkerwink]

51. interesting

[bilgewaterbill]

50. Hey!! That's my wife's b-day, a week after my daughter's and 4 days

after my son's!!! Does that mean I'm involved?

[Arkansas Granny]

54. With all of the activity of the primary season since the first of the year

it would be difficult to find a date that wasn't before, on or after a significant event. It may be just coincidence. It definitely bears looking into, however.