CUI BONO and who benefits? It is not the democrats, any of the democrats

[nadinbrzezinski]

ok folks, we have a US Senator who'se passport files were looked at, once they realized that he was a threat. THe question is, who is THEY? Save your paranoia of the other democratic candidate for somebody who cares, ok.

By the way, this is the kind of opposition research that could lead to some juicy crap... and I will point out this is not the first time it is done and it is highly illegal. I will also point out that DYNCORP is connected to the REPUBLICAN party, in fact the NEO CON faction of the GOP.


So is this related to the 92 looksie at Clinton's Passport? Of course... but keep throwing sand at each other's eyes.

What about the Watergate Black Lists? Yep... this is just a more sophisticated form of it.

Perhaps there is even a connection to the yet to be solved Anthrax attacks? (I can almost bet on it)

Try connecting some dots... instead of attacking each other... and going SEE... HE SAID, SHE SAID

And yes.. ask who benefits?

Oh and I can now guarantee that WHEN the Pugs steal another election, our side will again remain silent. I suspect this is just the tip of a damn iceberg that probably started a generation ago, if not longer. And this is what worries me, that most folks are not willing to connect dots... especially here? After all, this probably makes Barak unelectable... *Yes I can hear you now* And not connect the damn dots... this is not just criminal, but proves how corrupted the system is and the fact that some folks (NEOCONS) will do whatever it will take to get power and keep it.

Oh and the talking heads will tell us that none of this is political SNORT... and to look the other way... once again CUI BONO? Who benefits?

Oh and by the way, none of you is paranoid... after all most of you ARE active and we are the ones that they will take a looksie at first once the final pounce comes down. And no, these folks do NOT believe in democracy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. kick

[Jim Sagle]

2. Go kick yourself.

Sorry, I don't mean that but I just couldn't passup the opporuntity for a really bad pun.

;)

PS - I think you're spot on about this.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Thanks and speaking of connecting them dots

where else has DYNCORP worked at?

Abu Ghraib, they ran the translation services during the worst of...

So they do have quite a bit at stake to keep the dems out, or have material to blackmail a potential dem President with

[nashville_brook]

3. this forum doesn't do reasoned connecting of dots...it's poo flinging 24/7

do you have a dot connecting anthrax and DynCorp? my brain is hurting from all this, but you're asking great questions.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. I know but somebody has to try to ask the questions

as I said above, DynCorp has a reason to do this, apart of the contracts with the Neocons

They ran the interrogations and translations at Abu Ghraib.

[nashville_brook]

17. DynCorp ran the interrogations at Abu Ghraib. Now there's a DOT!

Corporations with an interest in keeping the war machine humming along have targeted Obama.

Obama is a threat to the war -- so the war machine benefits if they can find/plant/manufacture dirt on him.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. another connection

where else can you find DynCorp?

Can all of you say Abu Ghraib?

They ran a lot of the "translation and support services" during the worst of that scandal... which I will add, has yet to have the principals pay for.

So they do have a reason to do this. You could say they are motivated

[Ichingcarpenter]

7. I'm on the same page you are

State is controled by neo-cons but has some career diplomats and
workers that are upset with the current Sec. of State. However
the subcontractors that the regime has brought in since 2000 are
Bushies. Blackwater and DynCorp are two such fascist organizations.

Divide and conquer the democratic field it is number 27 in the Art of War

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. I know, but in this case it is also blackmail material they were looking for

I can bet on it. They are mercs (as despicable as they are) but they're not stupid

What saddens me is how fast folks are accusing each other of this...

[EFerrari]

9. Well, the Clintons have long assimilated into the BFEE.

So, there really is no dilemma here. It works both ways.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. i will disagree here with you

DynCorp has NOTHING to gain from ANY dem in power. Even Hillary Rotham Clinton

No, this was done by the BFEE, as in the INSIDE crowd, the same crowd that looked at Bill's passport and if you want me to reach for the tinfoil I will, the same inside crowd behind Dallas and Memphis. Funny how any of these critical events in US History have had an INSIDER in the area, and trust me, the Clinton's are NOT insiders.

So for once connect them dots... and realize this is not the Clintons.

And you KNOW I don't like either of the two candidates, but at least I can keep my eye on the true enemy... NEO CONS

And as much as the Clintons are part of the group, they are not on the inside tract, have not been and perhaps they were forced in due to the passport breach in '91. Now there is a nice theory for ya... which the evidence might even support

[EFerrari]

11. The Clintons couldn't do this. But, they could arrange to benefit

from it. And if they could, they would. That's all I meant.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Truth be told any politician would

not only the clintons.

At that level... they will use ANY opposition research they can get their paws onto. Yes, they are that hungry for power at that level.

These folks, I don't care what party or what last name, live in a world of their own and rare is the bird that makes it that high and keeps their full integrity, oh and I will add, does not matter what country either.

Yes, go ahead, call me cynical.

But in this narrow case, I can assure you the Clintons WERE NOT behind this one... cui bono? And it ain't the democrats.

[hughee99]

13. Almost anyone can benefit from this (except Obama)...

If there is "interesting" information in the file, Dynacorp benefits, because they have information on a potential president (and sitting Senator). They can trade that information to anyone looking to gain an advantage, whether it's a politician who wants some leverage to get a certain issue pushed, someone looking for a specific political appointment, contractors looking to get more business, a political interest group who wants a seat at the table, and of course, political opponents. If "interesting" information is there, and gets out, it could help Hillary get the nomination, benefiting her. If McCain would prefer to run against Hillary, it would also benefit him. If I recall correctly from the Clinton white house years, FBI files are evaluated for anyone who would visit the white house (I believe that was the explanation given when they were found to have something like 600 FBI files on various people), and if this is the case, I would suspect the BFEE might already have access to this information without going through these people. Who benefits? Anyone but Obama and any politician if they are found to be behind it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Unless... Obama does what nobody expects him to do

and I don't expect him to do it either

If there is any juicy info in there, go ahead and go public with it

Nothing worst than a sectet that is no longer a secret

But I agree with you... but the direct beneficiaries right now are the usual suspects, and for the moment it is not the dems... this shit has been going around since at least Watergate.

[dailykoff]

15. Her initials are HRC.

That help? :eyes:

[nashville_brook]

18. that her campaign benefits from any damage to Obama doesn't connect her directly to this...

and, that meme is creating a lot more heat than light. i don't mean this to sound like i'm wagging a finger at you -- this tension is built-into the campaign right now b/c of HRC's "attack the Dem" campaign style/strategy. if she's getting dragged into this it's b/c she and her campaign created the atmosphere where that's the norm (instead of attacking McCain, for instance).

if this were any other candidate but Obama, her campaign might benefit from this *in the long run,* but he's so outside of the status quo that he's able to turn negatives into positives. hence the Wright success. supposedly this outspoken pastor was to be the downfall of Obama. Instead, the controversy provided the opportunity for him to once again speak directly to the people in a way that convinces us he is not a usual politician. i think this is why he's getting Reagan Dems to his side, proving wrong the old DLC saw that you have to be Repug-lite in order to get those swingers. No, what they want to see is something REAL. Something not packaged for consumption.

at least...that's my little take on it.

[Horse with no Name]

16. Dyncorp is dirty to the core

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=18

>>>snip


Earlier that year Ben Johnston, a DynCorp aircraft mechanic for Apache and Blackhawk helicopters in Kosovo, filed a lawsuit against his employer. The suit alleged that that in the latter part of 1999 Johnson "learned that employees and supervisors from DynCorp were engaging in perverse, illegal and inhumane behavior were purchasing illegal weapons, women, forged passports and other immoral acts."

edited because I really want the part about forged passports to stand out

[nashville_brook]

19. the human trafficking thing -- i FORGOT about that!!!