FOX NEEDS TO BE SUED Re:Jeremiah Wright The real story

[SunsetDreams]

Jeremiah Wright was quoting a white American Ambassador who said these things, but they didn't include that in their clip.

They made it appear as if these words came from Jeremiah Wright...watch and see for yourself....UNBELIEVABLE...DAMN THE GOP!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ "911 context"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw "GD America context"



On edit: sorry wrong link, I have it corrected

[2rth2pwr]

1. ???

[tblue]

2. Oops! I don't think that's the right link. I wanna see the one you intended so pls repost. Thx!

[Drachasor]

3. They could be sued for slander, but not lying

They've been sued for portraying known falsehoods as the truth, and got off -- because news organizations have no legal requirement to say anything approaching the truth.

[ingac70]

4. An Obama tribute video?

[SunsetDreams]

5. sorry everyone, wrong link Click on it now

[SunsetDreams]

6. kick

[Tribetime]

156. kick again

[quantass]

7. HEY WTF...You're RIGHT!! THEY LIED!! OMG!!! For shame!!!

That i am feeling very, very sick!
And the sad truth is that NO media will correct themselves, let alone Fox....they dont care about accurate information, just infotainment...

If Obama is not nominated to the GE then America just died that day.

[Window]

115. MoveOn, Soros, somebody with money should buy time like Hillary did on the Family Channel or

some damned where and play these tapes in their entirety. Progressive radio shows should blast these, full texts should be spammed, etc., etc.

This is OUTRAGEOUS!!!!

FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE!!!

K/R.


:kick:

[woolldog]

8. This saddens me deeply

because of what they've done to the man. And it also makes me happy that he's not the monster they're portraying him to be. I didn't think he was.

Spread this around people!

[RamboLiberal]

9. I've watched the videos and you're right

they should sue Fox, CNN, MSNBC(some of the hosts), Limbaugh, Hannity, and a whole slew of the RW hate-mongers. What a hatchet job was done on these sermons, Rev. Wright, Obama, and the church. This man is a fiery preacher, but what I saw from nearly an hour of watching was a very-loving of his parishioners, very intelligent, very God and Jesus loving preacher and pastor! Oh and very inspiring. I'm not that religious and I was tearing up and wishing I lived in Chicago so I could go to that church. Oh and I'm white,

[lligrd]

10. K&R

[sudopod]

11. Never trust an ellipsis. nt

[2rth2pwr]

12. Umm... no.

[woolldog]

14. umm no what?

[2rth2pwr]

17. The OP is wrong, yes he quotes an ambassador but his words are in there also, and in agreement.

He uses the words of the ambassador and expands on them.


Sue the media for false reporting? Umm.. no.

[EFerrari]

24. I've waited too long to put your hatred on ignore. Here you go.

[2rth2pwr]

26. Wait! wait! hang on a second..

made you look!

[proud2BlibKansan]

99. How mature!

What's next? Pull my finger?

[woolldog]

25. It's clear that they edited the clip in a way that was unfair to him

No? He's not the monster he's being made out to be.

Put aside your partisanship for Clinton for a second and act like a decent human being.

[2rth2pwr]

53. I see a Pastor taking the words of an ambassador and expanding and agreeing with them

you don't?

clear as day.

[anigbrowl]

72. Agreeing with a US ambassador? shameful!

The former US ambassador to Iraq, speaking on Fox news no less. Fox didn't bother to tell their viewers that little detail, did they?

[NOLALady]

165. Sooo

Obama shouldn't be the nominee because his Pastor agreed with an Ambassador.

Because.... agreeing with an Ambassador is anti American.

I got it. Clear.

[TML]

27. Um, yes

It entirely changes the full context of the message. And NO ONE has posted the thirty minutes or so before Rev. Wright said "God damn America", so we don't even know what the full message was.

Quit trying to cherry pick the facts and twist them. It works both ways, so don't whine if we do it to Hillary.

[Window]

116. Umm... YES! You are full of shit.

[ecstatic]

13. Who can we turn to to get the true story out there? nt

[cottonseed]

38. Media Matters better take a hard look at this.

If they're serious about their mission, then they damn well better care about what's going on here:

"Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."

This is important stuff. I think national news should play the full 10 minutes of this video.

[TheDoorbellRang]

15. EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS

I cannot believe the media tried pulling this SHIT on us. Wright is quoting a white ambassador on FOX news here: "American chickens coming home to roost."


We all knew it was taken out of context, but for crying out loud. EVERY SINGLE NEWS STATION THAT PLAYED THIS CLIP SAW THE ENTIRE ORIGINAL AND FUCKING LIED TO MAKE THIS AS SENSATIONAL AS POSSIBLE.:grr:

[woolldog]

29. is there footage of that ambassador saying that?

It would be perfect if someone could juxtapose the two.

[RamboLiberal]

49. Bet someone will come up with it

Google Peck - interesting stuff - Peck on Crossfire 10/11/01:

PECK: You have to understand now. Just like the colonel here, I'm a veteran of the armed forces. I have had two tours of active duty in the Army. And I don't take a back seat to anybody in terms of patriotism. This is the greatest nation that ever was and may be the greatest nation that ever will be. But that's my view, and it is not universally shared. So we have come out with 21 pages of proof that Osama bin Laden was involved. I have read that material. That's allegations. That's not proof. It's an entirely different thing. Proof of what it means to us. So, yes, he's not a nice guy, Saddam Hussein. But I think that the costs to our nation and its interests of taking him out are probably vastly exceeding anything we would gain by doing it.

PECK: No, I do not. I think Dr. Mylroie has got a real phobia about this, and if she possibly could, she would accuse him of being responsible for male pattern baldness in the United States. Saddam Hussein is not all that powerful. And we have been -- I have no -- I have an affection for that country because I lived there, but my job has been all these years to learn to understand these other countries so I could tell my country about them. Do not confuse, please, the message with the messenger. And the message is that we have been bombing Iraq whenever we feel like it for the last 10 years. Nobody likes that, least of all the Iraqis, and but lot of other people besides.

We have been responsible -- pardon, I'll take it back. We have accepted responsibility for the death of 500,000 Iraqi children on American television, a position taken by the then-ambassador to the United Nations. A lot of people don't want to excuse you for that. So if Saddam Hussein believes, in the words of Dr. Mylroie that he's still at war with the United States, could it be the daily bombings? Could it be the $94 million that Congress appropriated to finance his overthrow. Sir, that's an act of war. Whether you want to accept it as such, we are going to finance people to overthrow his government? That is -- that is called a hostile act, you see? So if he's upset with us, there may be a reason for it


PECK: I always feel, you know, as a former military man, yeah, that's it. Because you have to have an objective. You have to know what it is you are going to accomplish, and how you are going to accomplish it and what the end game is. I think that going into Afghanistan -- where in addition to fighting the Taliban forces, who are armed with slingshots and large rocks, as far as I know -- you're going to look for individuals. That's hard to do in a country like that.

PRESS: So that's a no?

PECK: I would say it's not a smart thing to do. I would say it would be a very dumb thing to do you. You have got a surrogate that you can use and arm and equip and so forth: the northern forces. Go that way. Don't put U.S. forces on the ground.

http://www.counterpunch.org/peck1.html

[MADem]

117. WHAT????? I heard that "chickens coming home to roost" shit from MALCOLM X

many DECADES ago. It was from a speech called GOD's JUDGMENT ON WHITE AMERICA.

Rev. Wright cribbed a few ideas from that speech, IMO.

A link for your edification:
This speech is sometimes called "The Chickens Come Home To Roost," because of an answer Malcolm X gave in response to a question following the speech. The question concerned the late President John Kennedy. It was Malcolm X's answer, that the Presidents death was a case of "chickens coming home to roost" -- that the violence that Kennedy had failed to stop had come back to him, this resulted in the Elijah Muhammad silencing him. Malcolm X left the Nation of Islam a short time later.


http://www.malcolm-x.org/speeches/spc_120463.htm

I hate it when people don't know their own history. Only someone who slept through the later mid-Twentieth Century, or slept through their HISTORY CLASS on said subject, doesn't know this stuff.

Eh, it's hopeless....

[TheDoorbellRang]

126. So glad you know history

Now why don't you watch his sermon for a few minutes and learn a little more, instead of making assumptions.

To paraphrase, if it's too much trouble to watch it: he starts out by saying he's just heard that phrase recently on tv. But (surprise) it wasn't an angry black man who said it. No. It was a white man -- on Fox News.

IOW, the "radical" phrase is now something you could hear on Fox News, said by a white man.

[MADem]

159. I watched it, and I watched Malcolm. Where do you think that white guy got it?

Where do you think Wright got it, really?

Why do you think it stuck out?

Chickens coming home to roost, that's one thing. God DAMN America? Something else again.

Keep saying it doesn't matter. I really don't care. It WILL matter in September and October...it's one of those stinky gifts that keeps on giving.

[NOLALady]

166. Link

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/21/16207/3114/363/481705




"Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.

"Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y’all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don’t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that."

He went on to describe seeing the photos of the aftermath of 9/11 because he was in Newark, N.J., when the planes struck. After turning on the TV and seeing the second plane slam into one of the twin towers, he spoke passionately about what if you never got a chance to say hello to your family again.

"What is the state of your family?" he asked.

[quantass]

16. I seriously am feeling really sick -- This poor man

[SunsetDreams]

100. me too, this is sickening

The GOP needs to be taken down!!!

[Swamp Rat]

18. And just think, FUX Noise will control the news feed during the Democratic convention.

:eyes:

[EFerrari]

32. We need to call Dean. This is beyond the pale.

[redstate_democrat]

43. On it right now!

I also contacted Obama's campaign to let them know about Trinity's additions to their site.

[SunsetDreams]

118. good idea, thank you

[redstate_democrat]

19. We need to get the truth out about this.

Maybe KO? Randi Rhodes could probably play some of it.

TRINITY SHOULD SUE THE HELL OUT OF FAUX. This is misrepresentation, defamation, fraud, etc. They represent themselves as NEWS, and this is clearly not news what they represented. There should be some sort of consumer fraud law against this. Maybe Election tampering?

THIS SHOULD HIT THE NEWS FIRST THING IN THE MORNING!

[donheld]

20. Keith Olbermann needs to get his hands on this

Fast.

[cottonseed]

21. The US Commission on Civil Rights

This is sick, a hatchet job, wrong, disgusting, race bating:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5175843

Watching this thing whole basically proves what most clear headed people believed.

[EFerrari]

22. "We have moved from the hatred of armed enemies

to the hatred of unarmed innocents."

And THIS IS THE MAN that DUers in this forum have been insulting and excoriating.

This man that was trying to teach us to do better.

Shame on us.

[SunsetDreams]

23. somebody needs to tell the truth!!!!

[ecstatic]

28. Per Roland Martin, he was quoting Ambassador Edward Peck

http://www.rolandsmartin.com/blog/?p=

ETA: Transcript of Peck interview on Fox News:

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/video-jeremiah-wright-chickens-coming-home-to-roost-september-11-full-sermon/#more-2653

[againes654]

30. K& an big R

Wish I could recommend more than once.

I have defended Rev. Wright on DU from the start. Thank you so much for posting this, and proving that anything taken out of context can be dangerous.

[SunsetDreams]

31. your welcome

Me too I have defended him to no end, based on this was not what he was all about

HOWEVER, this was taken out of context period, so it sheds another light on it.

[againes654]

35. No doubt

this is more than even I could have imagined. Doesn't surprise me about fox though. I hope Rev. Wright sues.

[woolldog]

37. Here's a link to that Christmas service where he talked about Hillary

seems much less controversial when viewed in context:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4805737136221962023

[boppers]

33. Another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw

Yes, "God Damn America" has context, too.

[SunsetDreams]

40. Thank you I'll add that one too

[cottonseed]

56. Thanks boppers. I've been waiting for these videos.

This week has been a disgrace and a full blown take down.

[cottonseed]

34. Watched it again. Really watched it. Unbeliebable!

The guy was giving a damn peace sermon. The point of the whole 10 minutes was to tell his church that in a time of terror, it was time for self reflection, to become closer to God! The guy felt terrible about the attacks, that was obvious.

The news coverage on this is a travesty. These bastards better do all that the can to repair the damage they've done slicing and dicing these sermons to serve as modern day propaganda. This is absolutely disgusting. I DO NOT want to be on the wrong side of history on this. If we can't discuss this honestly, and this continues on as the attack on Obama, we're going to be absolutely ashamed of ourselves a year, 2 years, 5 years, a decade from now. It's a national travesty in my view.

[EFerrari]

36. Exactly. He was teaching peace.

Our candidate is under full metal jacket attack.

We need to come up with a response.

[redstate_democrat]

41. I contacted Dan Abrams, Gregory, Randi, Rachel

so now we need to get it over to KOS, Huffington, KO, NYT, WASHINGTON POST WITH EUGENE (He could write a great op-ed about this and fox's "news" reporting).

LET'S GET TO IT!

[cottonseed]

46. I'll do the same. I'm thinking Media Matters, MoveOn.

This is a media issue, a national embarrassment that needs to be addressed.

[RamboLiberal]

65. And don't forget your local media and bloggers

I've sent it off to liberal host Lynn Cullen at WPTT 1360 and columnist Tony Norman at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Pennsylvania. Anyone have some good contacts in Philly? I did send to Will Bunch of Attytood on the Philly News website. I'm going to forward to a local liberal blog as well.

[redstate_democrat]

39. Let's spread the word

Get this to NYT, KO, Eugene over at WP, somewhere so they can do some critical analysis. Then they need to show the full ten minutes. That is the LEAST they can do after their character assassination!

[EFerrari]

44. Thinking, thinking, thinking.

Yes, we have to push back.

I'm trying to think, what is the best way to go about this?

To ask them to show the full ten is more than most people will take in.

To ask them to WATCH the full ten may be closer to right?

[redstate_democrat]

45. Yes

I just told them to watch. Maybe they will edit it down to a couple of minutes. Maybe they can show clips before each break. They had no problem REPLAYING that video a hundred times within an hour. This should be NO PROBLEM>

[EFerrari]

50. I'm going to fall over soon. But I WILL put up an action thread

in the a.m. and pm you and others on this thread.

We CANNOT allow this to go unchallenged. If they think we'll just roll over, they're screwing with the wrong people.

:grr:

[Tatiana]

66. MEDIA CONTACT LIST

ABC:

General e-mail: [e-mail]
Nightline: [e-mail]
20/20: [e-mail]

CBS:

CBS Evening News: [e-mail]
The Early Show: [e-mail]
60 Minutes II: [e-mail]
48 Hours: [e-mail]
Face The Nation: [e-mail]

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/">CNN Contact Page

Faux:

General: [e-mail]
Special Report with Brit Hume: [e-mail]
FOX Report with Shepard Smith: [e-mail]
The O'Reilly Factor: [e-mail]
Hannity & Colmes: [e-mail], [e-mail]
On the Record with Greta: [e-mail]

NBC:

NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams: [e-mail]
NBC News Today: [e-mail]
Dateline NBC: [e-mail]
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6872152/">Meet the Press

MSNBC:

Hardball with Chris Matthews: [e-mail]
MSNBC Reports with Joe Scarborough: [e-mail]

PBS:

[e-mail]

NPR:

All Things Considered: [e-mail]
Morning Edition: [e-mail]
Talk Of The Nation: [e-mail]

****WRITE LETTERS TO THE EDITOR****

The Los Angeles Times
Letters to the Editor: [e-mail]
Readers' Representative: [e-mail]

The New York Times
Letters to the Editor (for publication): [e-mail]
Write to the news editors: [e-mail]

USA Today
Letters to the Editor: [e-mail]

The Wall Street Journal
Letters to the Editor: [e-mail]
Comment on News Articles: [e-mail]

The Washington Post
Letters to the Editor: [e-mail]
Ombudsman: [e-mail]

Newsweek
Letters to the Editor: [e-mail]

Time
Letters to the Editor: [e-mail]

U.S. News & World Report
Letters to the Editor: [e-mail]

AND DON'T FORGET TO SEND A COPY OF YOUR LETTER TO:
[e-mail]

[SunsetDreams]

67. Thank you Tatiana....

You're a gem!

[redstate_democrat]

70. Thanks Tatiana

I guess I'll be up for a while.

*makes pot of coffee*

[Tatiana]

Already made a pot. And I am thinking. We need to make this a media activist project.

Remember what happened with FDL?

http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/25/action-tell-ap-papers-to-stop-smearing-obamas-patriotism/

Bloggers go to bat for Obama
by Eric Boehlert

The Associated Press last week got a preview of how this presidential season is going to unfold, and how online liberal activists aren't going to stand down when the press takes cheap shots at Democratic front-runners.

After AP reporter Nedra Pickler wrote a news story highlighting how some fringe Republican operatives were raising questions about Sen. Barack Obama's patriotism, angry readers dispatched nearly 15,000 electronic letters protesting the piece. Why? Because instead of providing balance and context, which is what good journalism does, the article simply offered a platform for Obama's opponents to roll out their smears, to broadcast their dark doubts about the senator's character.

That kind of media shortcoming has become predictable; reporters love to quote partisan Republicans about how deficient Democrats are. And in the past it would have likely produced angry denunciations online within the liberal blogosphere -- a blog swarm, perhaps. In fact, within hours of the article being posted on the wires, John Aravosis at Americablog condemned the news agency for the way it regurgitated "right-wing lies about Obama lacking patriotism." (Aravosis was simultaneously irked by an interactive poll posted at CNN.com that asked readers if Obama was sufficiently patriotic.) Even without an organized effort, it's likely the Pickler article would have prompted scores of blog readers to send off a fistful of angry missives to the AP.

But nearly 15,000 letters sent in just a matter of days in response to a single news wire article? That's something else entirely and could mark the dawn of a new era in progressive media activism. The phenomenon has received very little mainstream media attention (journalists probably don't want to encourage this sort of thing), but make no mistake: It was a very big deal.

(more...)

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200803040004

We can do this. I am thinking...

[SunsetDreams]

98. Thank you Tatiana for posting

We can do this!

FOX's CHICKENS are coming home to roost!

[EFerrari]

75. Thank you!

[4_Legs_Good]

170. Wow! Thanks for the list!

I was looking for something just like this!

David

[woolldog]

42. I'm so pissed off right now!

Grrrrrr. :mad:

[SunsetDreams]

47. me tooo!!!! I am pissed!!!

We've all been duped!

[woolldog]

51. what can we do to fix this?

[SunsetDreams]

52. We need to demand that the other media tell the truth

I doubt very seriously if Fox will

[woolldog]

58. Sunset include this link in your OP:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4805737136221962023

It's the Hillary has never been called a N*&^, in 12 minute context.

[SunsetDreams]

62. I tried...editing period has expired...sorry I missed it

hopefully someone will see it in the thread

[EFerrari]

59. Forget Fox. They are hopeless.

We can ring up our networks and work on the other outlets. I'm so glad you posted this thread because I'd only read the transcript of what Faux aired.

I KNEW this was a hit job but, I didn't know just how much of a hit job it was. :grr:

[redstate_democrat]

48. Me too!

I could KICK something!

[ecstatic]

54. uggh... I hate them.. they just repeat filth without digging beneath the surface

How can they honestly describe themselves as journalists?!?

All it would have taken is 10 minutes! TEN MINUTES!

Then once the damage is done, its a collective, "How could we have known...?"

:mad: "We were so wrong. Shame on us! Hehehe. This is just as bad as what we did to Dean in 2004. Oh well!" :mad:


But I don't just blame them. Where were our people? Why wasn't Dean on every network shouting down these folks with facts. Demanding accountability and threatening lawsuits for smear and slander?

[redstate_democrat]

55. They have been missing in action

They basically took the RW media's WORD FOR IT without even trying to uncover the facts for themselves. NO WONDER we keep losing elections. THEY ARE LAZY AS HELL. How can we expect to win if our people won't even FIGHT for the facts. The RW just knew they could get away with this because they knew the DEMS wouldn't even try to look at the tapes. GARBAGE!

[redstate_democrat]

57. kick

[cottonseed]

60. This is as serious an issue as there is in America today.

The press, by not reporting the story in the most fair manner possible has committed a crime on the American people in my view. This is not candidate specific, this is the same damn dereliction of duty our press committed in going to war in Iraq. Lazy, hateful, dismissive, sloppy, you name it.

I can't stop shaking my head here. This is not a freedom of speech issue. This is yelling "FIRE" in a crowded room. These assholes need to be sat down, questioned, fined, fired, and beaten with a stick.

I'll be spending most of my time on this tomorrow in one way or another. Looks like this post is allready starting to be a good docking area for the full length videos and that's a good thing.

[OhioBlue]

158. I agree completely. It is a travesty

All those self absorbed talking heads acting so self righteous. F-ck all of them. They should all hang their heads in shame for this. Absolutely no integrity at all at CNN, MSNBC, FOX. They are guilty of far more serious hatred than anything they claim to be so shocked about in the Reverend Wright's sermons. MFers.

[merh]

61. thank you for posting these links

I'm ashamed of this nation - so many were willing and are still willing to condemn a man based on snippets and sound bites.

God bless this man and his church family.

[SunsetDreams]

119. you're welcome merh...

I am too, we fell for it!

[merh]

142. welcome to DU

:hi:

[anigbrowl]

63. Wow - great catch!!

Anyone who watches this honesty must appreciate that Wright was preaching anything BUT hate.

[SunsetDreams]

64. He is preaching everything but Hate

[msallied]

68. What does this mean for Obama and his speech, though?

He never directly addressed the video in his speech but only said that he condemned any anti-American sentiments. Does this mean that even Obama didn't know about the context? Why wasn't his own campaign on top of this? Dammit! This was SO preventable!!

[SunsetDreams]

69. His speech still needed to happen IMO

[msallied]

71. I agree completely

It was a landmark speech and I'm glad he made it. I'm just pissed off that this couldn't have come out sooner so they could say that Fox CLEARLY took this man's words out of context specifically to condemn Barack Obama. This is BEYOND deplorable. And I'm reminded why I decided to not become a journalist. Calling pukes like these my colleagues would have been too much for me to handle.

[woolldog]

74. you might have done some good as a journalist.

[msallied]

77. It's not too late for that...

Still in college. I often think that if I do decide to work for the media, I'm going to do what I can to get massive visibility before embarking upon a crusade to take each and every one of these disgusting hacks down. It'll just mean I'll have to spend several years swallowing my own vomit to get there. Ugh.

[woolldog]

103. we need more journalists with morals

and who aren't lazy. I think this story is as much about other journalist's laziness in not checking up on Fox, as Hannity's questionable ethics.

[SunsetDreams]

104. no kidding!

Hannity needs to be fired, and so does Pat from Msnbc

[EFerrari]

73. He didn't say he condemned antiAmerican sentiments

because THERE WERE NO ANTIAMERICAN sentiments.

[msallied]

76. I was paraphrasing

He said that he did not agree with Wright's controversial views, or something to that effect. The point I'm making is that it is clear that the Obama campaign didn't attempt to put Wright's words into the proper context from the get-go. It's like if someone tried to accuse me of committing a crime when I had a bullet-proof alibi right in front of me and I decided to embark upon a very long statement instead of just pulling out the evidence and going "See this, bitches?? I wasn't even THERE!"

It just pisses me off that this all could have been averted by pointing out the disingenuous tactics used by the media.

[EFerrari]

79. They were in a no win situation.

If they tried to point out the smear, they'd have been accused of whining.

Their job was to stay out of it as long as possible and then, to tamp it down as best as they could.

Obama handled it very well. Masterfully.

Now, it's our job to ask our whore media why they think we're too stupid to see beyond the smear.

We can do that in a way that a politician cannot.

[Tatiana]

80. Well, if anything, it proves that he wasn't really there. Obama probably jumped the gun on this one

He obviously didn't listen to the entirety (certainly not the context) of the "controversial" comments made by Rev. Wright. He was reacting to the pressure of the media frenzy.

I can forgive him that. No candidate or man is perfect.

[msallied]

83. You're right. I don't blame Obama.

I just wish his staff could have caught it. I often get the impression that a campaign often gets so completely caught up in the whirlwind that they miss important pieces of information like this. But it's not too late... The Obama campaign has an opportunity to still strike while the iron is hot here. We just need a few honest journalists who are willing to bring this to the forefront. Our ADD-rattled society has been too affected by an irresponsible media. It is my hope that people are still willing to accept new information on this situation before the old stain sets into the fabric.

[woolldog]

108. It would've been political suicide

for him to defend those comments as "taken out of context." Even though its THE TRUTH.

[bigbrother05]

97. Sometimes it seems like we're watching a veteran fly fisherman

It can look like it is painfully tedious, the continuous back and forth, flicking the lure through the air in great looping arcs, gently dropping the fly onto the water's surface only to repeat the process time and again. Yes, tedious and boring, but the real artist will know his prey better than they know themselves, he'll pass on the lesser fish to draw out the real prize lurking deep in the stream. Finally with enough patience and skill, the monster will rise from the depths, thinking it has found a tasty and vulnerable snack and strike. Then, too late, the trophy fish will realize there is a sturdy hook hidden in the carefully crafted lure, a sharp barb among the bright feathers and threads the wily angler has skillfully tied in order to attract and land his prey. The only question now is whether he is a catch-and-release purist, a trophy-on-the-wall sportsman, or will he follow the primal directive and eat what he brings home?

Don't know if Obama really set this trap, but it will be interesting to watch how he springs/plays it.

[Oilwellian]

78. So glad to see a thread on this here

Just saw a diary on DKos about it and they are some kinda pissed. I suspect the MSM will be getting an earful by hopefully thousands tomorrow. If we can't organize a major hit back against these rat bastards, they WILL win the propaganda war. It's what they do. Here's a YouTube link on several videos of Ambassador Peck. He's VERY credible.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Ambassador+Edward+Peck&search_type=

[SunsetDreams]

82. Thank you for posting that link

I'll take a look.

This was a hit job plain and simple, and we Democrats better step up to the plate here

[redstate_democrat]

86. I've been emailing these links

to a lot of the media listed in Tatiana's post. I also contacted others. MASS EMAIL. This WAS a BLATANT hit job.

They cannot get away with it. They will continue to do it if they are not stopped.

I encourage everyone to send these links to everyone in your contacts list. We need a MILLION hits on these links. Make sure you favorite and rate 5 stars too!

[2rth2pwr]

81. Oh shit! I just thought of something, Obama denounced his Pastors words!

We better let him know! omg this is hugh11!!``!!!!!

[anigbrowl]

85. These videos underscore Obama's remarks about Wright and why he chose to be a member of that church.

I urge everyone to watch, and don't forget to rate it and favorite it! OK, so some people will rate it with 1 star out of spite, but truth will out. Send links to your friends, blogs, other discussion boards, and the media.

I feel like the whole media in this case has done a hit job on the electorate, manufacturing a controversy by grossly misrepresenting the content of these sermons so they can continue milking fat profits out of sensationalizing and extending the electoral campaign. Spread the facts around to as many people as possible, especially conservatives and Obama skeptics, and ask them how they feel about being manipulated this way.

I was already willing to defend Wright because I agreed with the general tenor of his remarks as well as his right to say them. Having now seen much larger parts of the sermons in context, my view of the man has gone WAY up. The media has really distorted his message out of all recognition.

[2rth2pwr]

93. I don't understand why Wright and Obama haven't pointed this out.

Once they find out, it's gonna be hugh11!!!1@!

[ampad]

84. We got to do this people

I will be here in the morning to see what I can do to help. I have already posted these links to several message boards.

[EFerrari]

87. Good! Thank you!

[SunsetDreams]

89. Yes thank you...

[redstate_democrat]

88. These people

were ready to START A RACE WAR OVER A LIE

and HILLARY CLINTON DIDN'T BAT AN EYE!

[SunsetDreams]

91. I know...

I am pissed right about now!

Do these people not get it???? This could have caused rioting in the streets!! This is BS!!!

[redstate_democrat]

92. Who are YOU telling?

I am BEYOND pissed! It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the MSM to CORRECT THIS or they will be complicit in the violence if that should occur. They spread a LIE and should be held responsible.

[SunsetDreams]

94. He was made out to hate

white people, this is total flip flying BS!!!!!!!

That was clear baiting, for whites to further hate blacks!!! I am so pissed!!!

[EFerrari]

95. She shrugged.

What a leader she turned out to be. :sarcasm:

[obamian]

90. Check Out Trinity's YouTube Account

The church is posting positive clips of Wright: http://youtube.com/user/TRINITYCHGO

[EFerrari]

96. Great! I will.

:kick:

[obamian]

101. Videos with more context of Hillary never been called a n***** Clip

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciWzbtiwUxA
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvcmqnju9PM

[SunsetDreams]

102. thank you :)

[angie_love]

105. Don't forget to email Ben at Politico

bsmith@politico. com

[SunsetDreams]

106. thank you will do

[obamian]

110. Also, email him about putting out the wrong statement from Obama Campaign

The correct statement is here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/20/bill-clinton-and-jeremiah_n_92670.html

After their top surrogates pushed this story line and Senator Clinton's campaign outlined this as a central strategy in her plan to overturn the will of Democratic voters, I can see why they wouldn't want such a photo out there that shows the respect even President Clinton has for Reverend Wright.

The statement he put out:
After their top surrogates pushed this story line and Senator Clinton's campaign outlined this as a central strategy in her plan to overturn the will of Democratic voters, I can see why they wouldn't want a photo out there that shows the kind of hypocrisy we've all come to expect from their campaign.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Clinton_aide_Obama_pushing_Wright_photo_pathetic.html

[Mother Of Four]

107. Just watched some clips-

"Not just Some people- ALL people!"

"He chose to come as a poor person"

"He never let their hatred dampen their hope" This one I'll remember for a long time, he's lecturing on not allowing hatred to kill off the good inside. That's a lesson some here on DU could take note of I think.



The man gives me goosebumps, I'm so glad I took the time to watch these.

I've been avoiding all clips, I had only read about them. I felt it unfair that anyones pastor was pulled into politics, a persons faith is their own choice. I also felt that if I gave in and watched the sound-bites, I was letting the hack jobbers win. Thank you for posting the in context videos.


I gives me great pleasure to know the man is going to be vindicated, I would have loved to have the chance to sit and listen to one of his sermons beginning to end.

I love how he puts things into contemporary terms, "An IM from I AM" for the younger generation.


(Edited for clarity)

[SunsetDreams]

109. I know...

it gives me great pleasure that he will be vindicated too. This was utter nonsense!

I would have loved to sit through those sermons, he is very contemporary.

God Bless Jeremiah Wright and his congregation!

[SunsetDreams]

111. kick

[Colobo]

112. There you go... this needs to be known by our nation.

[woolldog]

113. ok

I sent out 20 letters. Hopefully if enough of you do the same, Fox will get called on their BS, manufactured controversy.

[SunsetDreams]

114. Thank you woolldog

we need to get this out there.

[Frumious B]

120. Jeremiah Wright ROCKS!

The more I see of the guy the more I like him and I think the way he has been treated by the media is disgraceful.

[SunsetDreams]

121. I agree...

he didn't deserve this at all

[styersc]

122. Particularly the first, "Chickens" clip, consider me a member

of the congregation.

Great work SunsetDreams.

[SunsetDreams]

123. Thanks..

I knew there was something fishy

[SunsetDreams]

124. kick

[mrmx9]

125. Chris Wallace Just criticised Fox anti Obama bashing live on Fox and Friends!

It looks like even some senior Fox News anchors are getting unhappy at the Obama bashing going on. Chris Wallace (host of Fox News Sunday) just strongly criticised the Fox and Friend anchors to their face live on air just 20 minutes ago - accusing them of distorting Obama's 'typical white person' comment out of context and of spending the previous two hours doing one sided Obama bashing.

The 3 anchors were not happy at all - the woman changed the subject at the end saying she wanted to talk about Chris's tie - but he wasn't having any of it!

I thought - good for Chris Wallace!

[Colobo]

128. Good for Mr. Wallace!

[subsuelo]

127. I am ashamed to say I have not watched his clips in their entirety until now

Thank you for posting these here. I am now a big fan of Rev. Wright.

[cottonseed]

144. I'm with you on that.

These tapes need to be seen in their entirety. It may not change some peoples mind, and I dismissed the whole issue as a non-issue anyways, but after seeing these tapes, I understand them better, and feel a hell of a lot more confident in framing the issue was a media take-down.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

129. Seriously: What The Fuck Is Wrong With Everyone Here. This Is Embarrassing.

I just watched the clip and the conclusions in this thread are perplexing. They just don't mesh whatsoever with what's on the video and the whole premise of this thread is completely warped in perception and conclusion. Sorry if some of you take issue with that, but it's blatant fact. I don't believe how many are respond with such passionate conviction that the OP hit onto something, when that something wasn't there whatsoever. A little intellectual honesty would be refreshing.

Yes, he starts off the rant by quoting the ambassador that was on fox news. But that was obviously just a precursor and a phrase he heard that inspired the rest of his rant, but the rest of his rant was all his own. The passion, the feelings, the words, the conclusions, were all his own. It's blatantly obvious and stares you right in the face. Then he ends it with the same phrase the ambassador said, but now it is being said on his own merits as his own words. The phrase might've inspired the rant, but the rant was all his and the way it's been expressed in the clips is accurate in context. Some can argue for or against him, but at least do so with the integrity of acknowledging the truth of the clip, not trying to act like that when put in context, he wasn't talking about his feelings at all. That's just false on its face and the error of that conclusion should be obvious to anyone watching the video.

C'mon... I know we want to defend him and defend Obama etc, but stuff like this just makes us look beyond silly. It really does.

[SunsetDreams]

130. There is evidence that the Ambassador said it based off

of a transcript from Fox

Please OMC look at all of it

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

131. You Don't Get It.

I'm not arguing that the ambassador said it. What I am saying is that his having said it is monumentally irrelevant and I can't understand for the life of me why some think this is something groundbreaking. The context, content and overall impression from the long video to the short one is exactly the same. The passion, sentiments and points were all his own. I know some of you really so badly want to latch onto this, but from an objective point of view let me assure you this angle is a dead end and almost embarrassing.

[SunsetDreams]

132. I do get it...

The clips were taken out of context, he in fact quoted the ambassador...he was labeled Antisemetic, Unpatriotic, and Racist.

He needs to be vindicated period.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

133. There Is Nothing Out Of Context. That Entire Rant Is Identical To The Other Video.

The passion, the words, the sentiments, the conclusions, are all his own. Going back further in time in the video does nothing to change that or overcome that.

Do you really think that if you were onto something here, that Obama, anyone else in his camp, Rev. Wright, or ANYONE else wouldn't have said so by now? Take a moment to think for a second. Just try it.

I know you mean well, but this is much ado about nothing. The expanded clip vindicates him in no way whatsoever and only serves as background into what led up to his rant. It doesn't redefine the rant and doesn't make the rant any less offensive to many. He simply quotes a guy on fox news and does so as a way to introduce the next part of his sermon, which was his rant. But his rant is all his. His rant is not that of the ambassador. It is Wright's. I'm frankly amazed that there are this many DU'ers in this thread acting so outraged as if this new argument had any merit. It just quite simply doesn't. I know some want it to, because they so badly want to find the 'gotchas', but we have nothing here. I'm sorry I have to say that, but this is nothing. The entire rant was still present and the entire rant was still in his own words with his own passion and with his own beliefs. I can't understand for the life of me why some of you are taking this and running with it, but let me assure you it is quite embarrassing to do so, since there is no substance to the claim whatsoever. That's a fact, despite some being too clouded by their emotions to see it as such.

Like I said: I know you mean well, but you're dead wrong with your conclusions here.

[SunsetDreams]

134. Your right...

the entire rant is identical to a degree...the whole thing is not clipped though, if it had been everyone would have saw that he was quoting the Ambassador who appeared on Fox

I guess I should agree to disagree with you on this one, can't speak for the many in this thread who saw the same thing, including Dkos. I found out it was posted there, after I posted this.

Looks like a whole lot of people coming to the same conclusion.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

135. There's Nothing To Disagree On. What I'm Saying Is Fact.

People coming to the alternate conclusion are doing so due to their emotions clouding their objectivity. It's as simple as that.

The quote from fox news is irrelevant to the rest and does nothing to soften what was said. It was just used as a way to transition into his real emotions and words. But every word, every emotion and every concept that made some angry from that clip were still there and still HIS OWN. That's what you seem to be missing here: There is nothing new in the longer clip that softens the rhetoric he said that made some angry.

Would you mind explaining why you feel that quote from fox news, that was just used as a springboard for him to start his own rant based on his own feelings and emotions, changes the impact or outcome whatsoever? Instead of just saying it does, can you explain how?

[SunsetDreams]

136. OMC I appreciate your determination in getting

me to see your "facts" against what many people see as different "facts"

They are all opinions, and observations....we will see where this goes.

I'm not going to get into a debate over people's opinions here...because we are not going to agree...

Neither one of us are going to convince the other one

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

138. You're Wrong. This Is Not Opinion Vs Opinion. What I'm Saying Is Fact. It Would Be Nice To See

you explain yourself rather than standing there just declaring "well, we'll agree to disagree". It is a position of ignorance to just say such things without actually defending your point or offering any substance as to why it holds any credibility. I have already stated my case and shown why what I'm saying is factual, but you have done nothing but dismiss it while ignoring the substance presented.

So I ask you again: WHY does the quote change the impact of his rant at all? How does it soften his words? How does it change the context? How would it make his statements any less offensive to those who were offended by it? How is it relevant to the message, emotions and conclusions that the Reverend puts forth afterwards, from his own personal viewpoint? How does this lengthened video do anything to diminish the issue of what he actually said? Can you answer any of these questions? So far, you have just said "cause they do". Well that's not good enough and you should be able to do far better.

What I'm saying is fact. The quote prior to his rant is just a lead in to the rant itself, but completely unrelated to the emotions, tone, viewpoints and conclusions that follow. That is a fact. Because that's a fact, the meat of the issue, the part that offended some, remains intact and carries with it the same controversy as it did before.

Now if you want to stand there and say that isn't a fact and tell me I'm wrong or merely speaking of opinion, then show how. Explain how the whole concept of his message suddenly changed.

You're wrong here, even if you want to continue standing there saying nothing more than "ok, we'll agree to disagree". You can disagree with facts all you want, but that just means you're being willfully ignorant while the facts still stand.

So please, don't take such a weak position. If you're going to continue to believe this erases the issue somehow, than please have the integrity to come forward with an explanation as to how, or show why my words do not contain accuracy. I look forward to seeing you do so.

[uponit7771]

152. OMC, if FAUX said Wright was quoting someone on FAUX would that change the context? The bottom...

...line would still be the same but the fact that he didn't stand alone in his opinion at the time would speak volumes to me.

[futureliveshere]

137. I disagree

OMC, there is some truth in what you say, but the context is missing when this clip is shown on the news channel. The man said "violence begets violence, terrorism begets terrorism". What is wrong in that? He also quotes the Ambassador almost entirely, the quote I believe was almost entirely the Ambassadors and not the Reverends. The anger, the emotions and the fact that he agrees with the Ambassador is plain to see. BUT the quote is NOT his, and this fact needs to be brought in front of the people.

THIS IS THE CONTEXT THAT IS MISSING!!! and this is called biased reporting, reporting half - truths and we need to bring this is front of as many people as possible. The reverend is not the crackpot fringe of the militant black movement. Come on, he talks about not spilling the blood of the innocents as retaliation for the horrific acts of 9/11. This is not some madman. There is a context to his speeches which needs to be laid bare.

I am not trying to insult your interpretation, just offer mine in return.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

140. What Context Changed? Nothing You Said Changes His Point Or The Parts People Were Offended By.

How did it change? How is the context wrong? What the hell does "the quote wasn't his" even mean? Did anything think it WAS his? Did anyone think the cliche "chickens come home to roost" was something he just invented right then and there, and NOT something that's a cliche spoken often? Of course the quote wasn't his. But he used it to make and illustrate a point that WAS his, and those points and conclusions STILL STAND whether you play the longer clip or not. How are they changed? They're not.

And so what he says violence begets violence etc. Everyone knows what the context of his comments were. Everyone knows that his whole point was that our government carried blame for 9/11 because of our past atrocities, and now this was payback. That's the SAME fucking context as it had been. Where is the disconnect here?

This whole thread wreaks of those whose judgment have been clouded by emotion. That longer video doesn't change a thing in the main part of his sermon that people were outraged by. Can you explain how it does? How it changes the context of the shorter video? It just doesn't.

[woolldog]

153. Andrew Sullivan is on it: Daily Dish

Wright In Context

21 Mar 2008 10:25 am

This strikes me as worth a look. Here is Jeremiah Wright's sermon from which one Hannity clip has been culled. After 9/11, Wright is making a classic pacifist case against what he calls "the insanity of the cycle of hatred." I don't agree with it, and he clearly equates the death of innocents in American warfare with the deaths of innocents in 9/11. But it does fall within the boundaries of a certain kind of Christianity. It does not seem to me to be Chomsky so much as a left-wing Biblical pacifist message. He is also self-critical, which you don't get from the edited version. He is calling Christians to examine "my own and your own relationship with God," in the wake of a moment when we all sought to fight back against the evil of al Qaeda. I don't agree with his moral equivalence. But I do see the roots of this message in a version of liberation theology and Christianity, rather than hatred of America as such. He includes himself as someone who needs to examine his own conscience and consider what he regards as a cycle of violence. I think the cable news clips are a little distortive and make more sense in fuller context.

Let me add that I do not believe that patriotism means never criticizing one's own country, especially if one criticizes one's own complicity in its failings. That's especially true for Christians who are sometimes called to make their fellows very uncomfortable in their loyalties. In the days after 9/11, I would have been furious about that sermon. But from a distance, I do not see it as political so much as a form of radical Christianity. Anyway, see for yourself and make your own mind up

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/wright-in-conte.html

[berni_mccoy]

139. Kicking FOR THE TRUTH!

[backscatter712]

141. Kicking to show the real Rev. Wright.

He's a good man.

Like all of us, he sticks his foot in his mouth, but those sermons, taken as a whole, have a very positive message.

[EFerrari]

143. Kick

[EFerrari]

145. One more

[Bullet1987]

146. Damn...this is really fucked up

God BLESS Youtube!!!

[Bluerthanblue]

147. Oh my GOD!- this is such a lesson to anyone who

doubts the manipulation that the media is using on 'the people'-

These examples of how damning and distorted taking things OUT of CONTEXT is to the truth, should be REQUIRED viewing by anyone who votes in the general election.

I didn't find Rev.Wrights comments all that offensive or bothersome, but the way his words were perverted and PIMPED out to attempt to destroy Obama, (and Pastor Wright) just blows me away.

America needs to wake up, and take our minds back-

Thank you for posting this.
K&R-
with gratitude, and hope.

peace~

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

148. K&R

[Bullet1987]

149. Spread this around to all of the liberal radio shows and blogs

Get this to Media Matters and Dailykos...this is amazing!

[Life Long Dem]

150. It's bad enough they use little snippets. Now this?

Kick

[uponit7771]

151. RIGHT!! I just read the whole sermon on AC360 and FAUX news is a bunch of assholes!

[DLnyc]

154. Can you post a link to that trascript? My dial-up never could get any

of the videos, and it's even painful to try to search their site.

Thanks in advance.

[RamboLiberal]

160. Here you go

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-wright%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cgod-damn-america%e2%80%9d-sermon/#comment-80614

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon/

Roland has audio link at bottom of each.

[DLnyc]

164. Thanks (again).

[Tribetime]

155. SUE FOX..I'M IN!!...WHERE/WHO CAN I DONATE TO?

[krkaufman]

157. The videos provide some context ...

... but the second one cuts-off too soon.

Personally, I didn't see anything wrong with Wright's statements even in the media-filtered context.

[RamboLiberal]

161. Roland Martin has posted audio links

Bottom of blog.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon/

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-wright%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cgod-damn-america%e2%80%9d-sermon/

[Political Heretic]

162. What can we do about this???

[woolldog]

169. Write a letter to one or two media outlets with the links

asking them to provide the full context of Wright's sermons instead of the distorted excerpts. It is a matter of journalistic integrity. Tatianna's post has a number of email addresses of media sources you can send such an email to.

[Emillereid]

163. Chalmers Johnson wrote a whole book about the chicken coming home to roost--

before 911. It's called "Blowback"

[2rth2pwr]

167. I've got a great idea, how about we email this to all registered voters

so they can see the whole thing? That would be awesome!

[NOLALady]

168. .

:kick:

[woolldog]

171. k

:kick: