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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:38 AM
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Regardless of who you support, good liberals don't refer to the following for validation:
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 03:41 AM by msallied
Anything written and/or said by:

Rush Limbaugh
Mike Savage
Ann Coulter
Michelle Malkin
Charles Krauthammer
Bill O'Reilly
Sean Hannity
William Kristol
Pat Robertson
Mitt Romney's (or insert other Republican candidate) strategist
Bob Novak
Most articles from The Washington Times
Anything espoused as gospel at Free Republic

Consider the source; a little bit of critical thinking goes a long way. If you find yourself straying outside the bounds of liberal thought and agreeing with the words of a conservative columnist or rag simply because it validates your pre-conceived, ill-informed opinion, it's time to re-evaluate what party you really do belong to. Charles Krauthammer (or any of the above) reading your mind does not equal an "Ah-HA!" moment. It makes you look desperate. And stupid.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:44 AM
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1. Pat Buchanan takes a really, really, really sober look
:(
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:45 AM
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2. Captain obvious, to the rescue!
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:49 AM
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3. actually, this should be addressed to the freeper trolls
You figure they'd at least pretend to be progressives when posting; but some how they just can't figure out why we don't snap to attention when they post Charles Krauthammer columns.

They might last a little past 50 posts before they get tombstoned if they figure out that we're actually not a freeper site.
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:53 AM
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5. Unfortunately, there are people on here with over 1000 posts doing the same thing to shoot down ,,,,
Candidates they oppose.
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:51 AM
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4. Well said, shouldnt have needed to be said, but lately many need a new yardstick,
Thanks for voicing it.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:58 AM
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6. Matt Drudge and the Moonies. The exception is when they are quoting or showing video.
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 03:59 AM by McCamy Taylor
A quote or a video is the real thing and sometimes the only place you can find a certain story is in a paper like the Washington Times if everyone else has already taken it down.

Also it is ok to cite them if you are talking about their propaganda--as in this is what the right wing is up to. Or this is what so and so used to be up to. Or for historical reference.

So, the moral is that absolute rules are made to be broken.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:23 AM
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19. The Washington Times?
you have GOT to be kidding
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:58 AM
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7. Why did you leave off Andrew Sullivan?
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 03:58 AM by anamandujano
Could it possibly be because the Obamatized brought one of his articles here last week?

You guys use Right Wing sources when it suits you. In addition you all constantly use Right Wing talking points to trash Hillary, built up over time by the Repuke MSM. But it's okay if you do it.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:07 AM
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12. Politico, Real Clear Politics, and our 'friends' at fucking NEWSMAX, too!!
Jonah Asswipe Goldberg, Pajamas Media, The Weekly Standard, Little Green Footballs, DebkaFiles, the Heritage Foundation, ah.... the beat goes on!!!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:48 AM
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16. Doesn't Real Clear Politics just post articles from other sites?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:14 AM
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18. It's the sites they link from that are at issue--here, read this and tell
me you would leap to take the word of most of these site "endorsers:"

About RealClearPolitics
Site Background
Founded in 2000 by John McIntyre and Tom Bevan, Chicago-based RealClearPolitics.com (RCP) has become one of America’s premier independent political web sites. Updated every morning and throughout the day, RCP culls and publishes the best commentary, news, polling data, and links to important resources from all points of the political compass and covering all the important issues of the day. RealClearPolitics has become a trusted filter for anyone interested in politics.

RCP’s political commentary, election analysis and polling averages have been featured in national media outlets including The New York Times, FOX News, CNN, The Economist, Investor’s Business Daily, The Chicago Sun-Times and many, many more.

What People Say About Us
"RealClearPolitics is the first web site I check every morning. It's an invaluable tool for anybody interested in politics or public affairs." - David Brooks, The New York Times

"I check RealClearPolitics every day. It is the best collection of political commentary on the web." - Brit Hume, FOX News

"A site that makes a credible effort to do the impossible: to provide a comprehensive, real-time (and not just Beltway-based) overview of the entire American political conversation." - Howard Fineman, Newsweek

"RealClearPolitics is terrific. It's one of the first things I get to every morning. I don't know how I ever got along without RealClearPolitics.com." - Michael Barone, US News & World Report

"RealClearPolitics.com is my favorite political web site after OpinionJournal.com." - Paul Gigot, The Wall Street Journal

"Absolutely indispensable." - Peter Beinart, The New Republic

"RealClearPolitics is just terrific. I spend as much time on RCP as I do with the Wall Street Journal, New York Times and the Financial Times combined.” - Rich Karlgaard, Forbes

"Not a day goes by that I don't click on RealClearPolitics at least once, the presidential poll charts, graphs and moving averages are great. If RCP didn't already exist, somebody would have to invent it." - Charlie Cook, National Journal

"Never miss it - that's the second biggest compliment I'd give to RealClearPolitics.com. The first is that it has become indispensable to anyone, in or outside of journalism, who's interested in politics, policy, or world affairs." - Fred Barnes, The Weekly Standard
Login | Register | RSS http://www.realclearpolitics.com/about.html
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:41 AM
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22. I still don't see the problem
RCP is mostly a tool that averages polls and compiles commentary. I don't agree with Brit Hume and David Brooks on much of anything but we could probably agree that a hammer is a useful tool if you need to hammer nails. RCP is a good tool if you want a quick glance at what is going on in politics.

If someone tries to use RW commentary that they found from an RCP link, that's a different story. But RCP in itself I don't think is a bad thing.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:48 AM
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24. When much of their stuff is from WSJ and FOX and other rather spurious sources,
you have BIAS. They sometimes frontload those sources.

Take them with a grain. Or bounce them against something like BUZZFLASH, which has a lefty bias. Don't rely on what they spoon-feed.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:36 AM
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38. if they also cull material from other sites
I'm cool with that.

RCP is a good resource for polling info and general news headlines.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:32 AM
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21. trolling is really all *ignored* is good for
I suggest you don't bother with that one.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:51 AM
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25. Supporters of both candidates do it.
Please do not pretend that only one side engages in this crap.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:59 AM
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8. There is a special hell for Charles Krauthammer, veteran of Gore is a liar and smears againts all 3
of the Dem candidates this time. He sucks a donkey's dick.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:02 AM
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10. His essay on Obama's speech is correct though.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:04 AM
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11. Bullshit. And way to go to prove the OP's point.
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 04:07 AM by Hissyspit
And to make Hillary Clinton supporters look right-wing and petty, even though the OP said nothing about either candidate.

You could have just said "Please add Andrew Sullivan to that list."

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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:40 AM
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15. Stop throwing a hissy, spit.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:01 AM
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9. Hear, hear.



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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:59 AM
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17. Good liberals don't whitelist, or blacklist.
All opinions are valid.

And the people who have those opinions vote.

If you want to make things change, you have to stop, and listen.

If you want President McCain, keep fighting.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:08 AM
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30. Don't tell me what "good liberals" do or don't do!
And just because I have to tolerate some opinions does make them valid. For the most part, idiots espouse idiotic opinions. And whenever possible, I encourage idiots not to vote.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:25 AM
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36. I agree with you, hence the OP. lol
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 11:25 AM by msallied
And I'm sorry, but the day I come to a lefty message board and use an article written by a soulless RW columnist as backing for my Democratic candidate is the day I've lost enough brains to keep me from voting.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:17 AM
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32. Oh a good liberal sure as hell does blacklist
the hate-filled demagoguery of the right-wing that vilifies us on a daily basis. The fact that a true liberal would post that garbage here in support of their candidate speaks VOLUMES.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:25 AM
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20. If Clinton is a Liberal
If Clinton is a liberal, I'm definitely not one.

So I get a pass, eh?

:-)
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aasleka Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:47 AM
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23. You're wrong, if I agree with something why should I care about the source as long as it's based in
fact. Don't we want people to think instead of just listen to what our party tells us? Isn't it imperative that we have an open discourse about issues?
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:18 AM
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33. Those people don't post "facts." They are opinions.
And they are the opinions of people who have directly opposed the ideals of the Democratic Party for years, and people that we would generally view with much disdain.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:56 AM
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26. Or Newsmax, or Politico.
I'm sure there are more.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:58 AM
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27. And , no matter how much you like your leftwing rags
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 06:59 AM by susankh4
and columnists.....

It is unacceptable to stand by them once they start bashing your fellow Democrats. This applies to Randi, Rachel, Keith .... all of them.

For god's sake, use a little bit of critical thinking when you are being fed a line of bull.

Stand up and say: enough is enough!
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:20 AM
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34. I agree completely.
However, I think that using the opinion of another Democrat as back-up when arguing with another Democrat is a hell of a lot more acceptable than using the words of Ann Coulter and the like, ya know?
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:40 AM
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28. You Mean Like This:
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:21 AM
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35. Did I say anything specifically about Hillary/Obama supporters?
I said "Good Liberals." Perhaps if you are a Hillary supporter, the term "good liberal" doesn't wear so easily anymore.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:53 AM
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40. "Good Liberal" Fits Fine With Me, And I Am Definitely A Hillary Supporter
I was just pointing out that thread as an example. And I know you weren't directing your comments at Hillary or Obama supporters. If that is what came across in my reply, it was not at all what I meant.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:54 AM
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41. Point taken, and thank you. :)
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:56 AM
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43. No Problem, And You're Welcome : )
:thumbsup: :hi:
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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:42 AM
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29. ABC news: Democratic Civil War on the Web
In this civil war, Clinton supporters trash the "Obamabots" and Obama supporters bash the "Clintonistas."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=4491667&page=1
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:10 AM
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31. Someone needs to inform Bill Clinton of this
after all, he's gone on Limbaugh's show to shill for Hillary.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:31 AM
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37. K & R
:thumbsup:
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:37 AM
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39. Strangely enough for this bunch add, Newsmax.com
K& R :kick:
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:54 AM
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42. Good one. I'd forgotten about them when I posted that.
Way past my bedtime. lol
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:56 AM
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44. recommended
;)
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