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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:34 AM
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My Take: Richardson signaling Superdelegate moves...
Looks like the Supers are going to start to step in to try to stop Hillary's scorched earth strategy.

She is getting destructive and lessening our chances of taking the White House.

Finally!!!

Obama supporters I think this will be a done deal very soon.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:36 AM
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1. me too
There have been hints by those high ranking Dems
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:52 AM
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9. and with this passport thing breaking
and the serious suspicions surrounding possible Clinton supporters doing the snooping...she is growing ever-more desperate and potentially damaging to her own party
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:38 AM
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2. i hope so, it's taken long enough
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:38 AM
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3. I felt that Donna Brazile (sp) has been hinting of this to come for awhile now. n/t
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:40 AM
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24. Really, maybe it's just me but I've always gotten the impression
that she's pro Clinton, either that or maybe she's just good at playing the devils advocate. Hard to say.
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Bad Thoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:44 AM
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4. More generally, trying to build confidence in "eventual" nominee
I think that the endorsement is timed to show that within the party, Obama's explanation about Wright has been accepted and that they have confidence in him as a nominee. But unless we see many more getting on board in the next few days, the race goes on.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:46 AM
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5. From your mouth to FSM's ears (wherever they are!) (NT)
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:48 AM
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It is time the party stepped in and stopped the nonsense.
The obvious front runner is before their eyes now and it's time to select him and move on to tackle the repukes.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:51 AM
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8. I thought the 5 year anniversary of shock and awe was telling.
Hillary goes on about Michigan and Obama talks about Iraq and his strategy for getting us out.

Shows priorities.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:06 AM
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14. It's time for all remaining SDs to endorse Obama. For the good of the party.
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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:48 AM
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6. Richardson wants a seat at the table..And Obama gave it in desperation
Obama camp needed some good news now, trailing in polls and drowning in the Wright issue while Hillary is working on the fucked up economy.

Remember the driving licence issue. Firt Obama attacked Hillary, while he himself are for it, and in the next debate, even he cant stutter the words right.

And what about the Cuba swapping deal, obama is like a shape shifter there..

and lets not forget..15 MILLION without health coverage with his plan...

sure...

Obama has done much for the latinos..



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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:50 AM
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7. Wow. A great propaganda post filled with useless drivel.
:eyes:

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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:54 AM
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10. Why breaking the news about it right now ???
a political game well played from Obama camp.
Kudos to them
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:01 AM
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12. Because he was preparing to go on the trail as a surrogate for Mr Obama.
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 07:03 AM by ThatBozGuy
Mr Richardson felt strong enough to make a choice he has been having trouble over the decision for awhile as Bill Clinton is a close friend and he knows Ms Clinton a little, he felt it was the right time not because of some deal, but because he feel Mr Obama is a good guy and that he represent a once in a generation opportunity for change.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:09 AM
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16. The PA primary is still 5 weeks away.
This is a time when those who haven't endorsed anyone from states that have already voted, can get out there and do it. There are only 10 "contests" (8 states, 2 territories) left so time is running out. The more this drags out, the more the party suffers.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:44 PM
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32. That is the greatest cartoon EVER! lol! n/t
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:59 AM
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11. Richardson would have a seat at the table for any Dem nominee
He is a great asset to our party.

And Hillary isn't working on the economy...she's working on Michigan.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:07 AM
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15. If Latinos Want Health Coverage, They Can Afford It Under Obama's Plan
The problem for Latinos is not that they don't want coverage.

Secondly, I wouldn't mention the driver's license episode. It ended about a year of the media drooling about how perfect and "disciplined" the Clinton campaign was before it completely unravelled with the first minor misstep (but at least they are good at fear-and-smear).
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:16 AM
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20. Please crawl back into the hole you came out of.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:55 PM
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35. And what's HIllary done for Latinos?
besides make promises about veteran's hospitals that she has no intention of keeping?

dg
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:03 AM
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13. Yes.
But I think the SDs will wait to see if the polls move in the right direction for Obama before they act.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:14 AM
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17. The polls are going to go up and down and up and down
ad nauseum because the media controls the news cycle and spin, and they manipulate the masses (which gets reflected in the polls).

Relying soley on polls to do the selection is not a good strategy at all. Looking at what people actually DID (by their votes) should be the better, more scientifically valid way to see what the people want.
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:35 AM
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22. I agree.
But I am guessing that the SDs are going to use polls as part of their decision making. Obama was clearly hurt by the Wright thing. I think he addressed it more than adequately with The Speech, but I am guessing that the SDs want to see something more concrete and will look to the polls in the next few weeks before they move decisively.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:12 AM
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28. Why would the SDs only go by polls and throw the voters under the bus?
That's just silly - particularly during this primary season - and mainly because there are still strong supporters out there of candidates who have dropped out. There are SDs in 40 states whose voters have made their decision and it is time for those SDs to get cracking. Atrributing the selection for the candidacy based on a single RW news item would essentially relegate SDs to idiot status. The irony would be that this would need to apply to the Clinton campaign with the outrageous claims of "experience" (whether foreign policy or other) that is being debunked day by day.

If anything it would behoove SDs to look at the actual turnout in each of the contests, and also look at the surges in new party members via registration drives, and analyze what is happening. Basically, the SDs need to look at the 50-state strategy at work and evaluate how it is going in their localities and who might benefit more with going that route, which is the current DNC strategy.

And once again, most importantly, they must look at the math. The person with the most delegates, most contests won, and most popular vote has the best chance to win. They cannot allow themselves to succumb to the RW strategy of tearing down rather than building up. They have their candidate right there and to throw him under the bus in order to drag this thing out to August will completely destroy the party.
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:12 AM
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30. Swift Boat.
Who would have thunk that our war hero candidate could be branded a coward by a shady right wing group who supported a candidate who was went AWOL rather than serve his country. But it happened. So it behooves us to pay attention to RW news items even if they seem ridiculous. And you know the Wright speech and Michelle's gaffe will be trumpeted over and over during the GE to brand Obama as un-american.

I am not disagreeing with you. I think Obama has proved his ability to lead and to handle a crisis. He has the lead in delegates and popular vote. Dragging this contest on is clearly hurting us in the GE. But it has been my experience that, in general, the party doesn't much care what people like us think. We are good for donations and knocking on doors, but our opinions are intense, nuanced and outside the mainstream. Most people rely on sound bites from the nightly news to make their political choices. So the party is going to pick the candidate who they think has the best chance in the General, and they will look at polls of "regular" people to help determine that. Just my opinion, not a fact, yanno?

For what it is worth, I also think that Obama's polls will start to trend up again in the next week. His speech got a lot of favorable response, and this passport thing is breaking, taking attention away from the negatives. Richardson came out hard for him. Something's gotta give soon. We can't afford to wait much longer.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:14 AM
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18. My thoughts also.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:15 AM
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19. I agree with the OP. Let's hope. This thing needs to end ASAP. nt
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:18 AM
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21. I hope so. We need to start focusing on running against McCain,
not in fighting each other. I hope Senator Clinton can be mature enough to put her desires on the back burner and do what's right for the party and the country.
If Obama has the guts to tackle the race issue in this country head-on, however imperfectly some may think he's done it, it shows me he will have the guts to tackle other tough issues with honesty and courage.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:37 AM
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23. Jeez I hope you are right!
If the whole party gets behind Obama we will win in a landslide against "100 years of war" McCain!
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:56 AM
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25. It's serious IMHO because the hispanic vote is important. I doubt that he brings a ton with him but
...it would've been worse if Richardson leaned towards Hillary
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:57 AM
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26. here's hoping
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:57 AM
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27. I hope so
But there was a super delegate writing in the NY Times today saying that he was ready to make a decision in June! June isn't much better than late August at this point. Two and a half more months of this? We can't do it.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:13 AM
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29. here's hoping.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:42 PM
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31. None too soon
despite the shrinking counter advantage of sparking and building the party in the remaining states. The high road I suspect IS the bulk of the actual pressure as such being brought to bear. The real message is rather easy to deliver if you have the stomach and the numbers to do so. Go softly, the high road or quit
That or you can pay your own campaign debts and lose all party influence, help and most of the discouraged donors that have made NY so easy to keep. With all the defeats in NY the GOP will focus on her like a wounded deer. Then you align the Clinton "wing" in a realistic talk about what THEY have to lose and put a sword next to an Obama sticker on the table.

As vicious as some would say a lot of the insiders are I think you see pretty much what is happening. A lot of talk, more caution and reticence, and a pretty public debate even revealing the nasty edge. I notice OUR campaign advisers supposedly leak a lot more damaging(to ALL Dems) material than any GOP troll. They should be out of jobs or need to do that kind of work in the GOP.
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:53 PM
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33. I hope you're right.
If there's any justification for the existence of a superdelegate category, it's this one: to prevent infighting during the primary season from undermining the party in the fall.

The remaining superdelegates should make their preferences known NOW. If they're really going to wait until June (i.e. after the last state contest), then there's really no reason for us to have superdelegates at all. They do no good.

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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:55 PM
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34. Agreed. The dam is about to break, and Bill's comment today should end her campaign.
Hillary is reduced to making statements in support of McCain at this point; does she really want to do that?

The last gasp is upon us.
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:31 PM
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36. I agree. He's signaling that it's time for the Democratic Party to muscle her out.
The Clintons are not being good Democrats. They are anathema to party unity. Time to show this candidate the door...and don't let it hit her on the way out.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:55 PM
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37. K & R.
:thumbsup:
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:56 PM
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38. Richardson wants to be VP. Period.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:57 PM
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39. Wasn't there an article about Obama rolling out SD's over the next few weeks?
I bet this is the beginning of it. I wouldn't be surprised if some big names began announcing as well.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:00 PM
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40. Hope you're right
If we see a few more Monday I think it will snowball from there.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:41 PM
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41. As I listened to Bill Richardson's words today, I could not help but
think of his friendship with Bill and Hillary. In that context, I thought it was the most polite message a friend could publicly give another friend: it's time to end the battle and unify in peace. Perhaps this why it was he who stepped out today. This kind of hard news to Hillary is best coming from a friend.
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