Hmmm So Hillary KNEW when and where Obama traveled....HOW

[gaiilonfong]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/21/82444/5711/676/481384

This breech story will have legs and it will finish the CLINTONS off ONCE AND FOR ALL

GOOD RIDDANCE.

[LanternWaste]

1. I was under the impression...

I was under the impression that the international travel logs of members of both legislative chambers were already open to all other members... :shrug:

[kstewart33]

2. There's much, much more in the file than that. nt

[LanternWaste]

5. Precisely what...?

Precisely what...?

[rug]

3. Don't disrupt his Obasm with facts.

[beachmom]

4. Hey, I'm an Obama supporter and think this is thin gruel. Don't stereotype. nt

[gaiilonfong]

6. pomm nei wheii n/t

[Hepburn]

7. For the past 20 years or so?

One thing if she knew where he went and it could be found in his public records....it is another thing, however, to know that at NO did he visit but one NATO country. In order to have that latter information, one would have to have access to his travel records from the time he first obtained a US passport...or how would one be able to make that statement.

That is quite a tell, IMO.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

10. please explain

Your: "to know that at NO did he visit but one NATO country" ???

[Hepburn]

34. Left out a word....

...at no time did he visit a NATO country. Obama has been all over the world from the time of his youth. It would be one thing to say that while he was a US Senator ~~ or even when in the IL legislature ~~ he was only in one NATO country. But to make the blanket statement that covering his entire life....ummmmmmm...how did she get that info EXCEPT for his passport records.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

53. Yes, Or if he actually stated it - which is hard to imagine - Why

would anyone say "hey, I've only been to one Nato country". This sounds so
fishy. Also, I don't believe in coincidences (like Hillary miraculously
finding 31k unpolled votes in NH in a must win place). It is just
too damn coincidental that the exact same thing happened to Bill. Like
you know he probably figured out how it could be done.

[LanternWaste]

12. From what I understand,

From what I understand, Sen. Clinton's statement/question was relevant only to the the time Sen. Obama had been in the Senate.

[Hepburn]

35. Link?

Where did she say words to the effect that she was speaking ONLY TO THAT TIME PERIOD?

[LanternWaste]

49. I qualified my statement

She didn't say she speaking only to that time period, which is why I qualified my statement with "from what I understand", or to be more precise-- "how I inferred what she said...", much like many people are inferring she meant Sen. Obama's entire life's travel.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other...

[RichGirl]

32. Did it ever occur to you that....

he wasn't trying to keep the information regarding his visit to Nato countries a secret? Why would he. He's a public person. I think this would be known with the people around him. It could be as simple as saying...I've only visited one NATO country, I wish I had the time to visit more.

[Hepburn]

36. Link to where it is stated Obama had visited only one NATO country.

If it was NO secret, then we would all know, right? It would be public knowledge. So find me a link that says this...or are you just spinning?

BTW: Make that link prior to the time of the illegal entry into his passport info, OK?

[RichGirl]

43. We would all know? Why?

Who has the time or interest to research the travel history of any candidate...I don't. It would be public knowledge if it was important, but it's not. Hillary is trying to win the nom...just like Obama, she is pointing out any and all weaknesses, just like Obama. She is way too smart to risk her own chances on something so small.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

55. But, how would they know that info? Unless he said it at one

point or they sent someone in to access the file.

Question: Would you still support her if she
was behind this?

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

14. I think only if they are travelling on business..

[LanternWaste]

27. I'm under the impression ...

I'm under the impression that all international travel records, regardless of whether state sponsored or just a mere family vacation may be accessed by other members of both chambers.

[Tatiana]

40. I don't think that is true. Only if state-sponsored.

Or if the person in question is requesting reimbursement for some sort of travel expense.

[LanternWaste]

46. I think the primary among the reasons the records are kep

I think the primary among the reasons the records are kept are for security details, which the families of the sitting Sen.'s and Congress members may or may not receive (depending on circumstances-- travel calender, travel location, risk threat assessment, etc) regardless of whether the travel is personal or state sponsored.

[RichGirl]

28. Considering that it is...

our tax dollars that pay their salary and these trips, why wouldn't it be open record. It certainly wouldn't be the type of classified information that a fellow senator would have to illegally tap.

[LanternWaste]

50. I imagine there are many, many state sponsored trips that are not publicly availabl

I imagine there are many, many state sponsored trips that are not publicly available, e.g., back-channel diplomatic trips, assessment trips, etc.

In the same vein, I under the impression that these same trips which are not in the public domain would be available to members of both the House and the Senate.

And that's the crux-- if these records are indeed available to the members of the legislature and their staffs, it would defeat the purpose of someone trying to access this same information in a back-handed manner through the State Dept.

Which in turn, directly leads me to the conclusion that this entire affair is much ado about less than nothing.

[Exilednight]

31. They don't keep track of travel of any elected official until after they are elected..........

so Obama's would only go back to 2004 when he first became a Senator.

[LanternWaste]

51. So I have yet to see smoke, a gun, a smoking gun, a wound or a corpse.

"so Obama's would only go back to 2004 when he first became a Senator."

And as I inferred, Sen. Clinton's statement was in direct reference to a trip Sen. Obama took in 2005. So I have yet to see smoke, a gun, a smoking gun, a wound or a corpse.

[mudesi]

48. It was just a coincidence!

They just happened to be curious about Obama's travels and decided to look at the public record to find out. :sarcasm:

[Arkansas Granny]

8. I think it's much too early to jump to any conclusions about this story

or who might be involved. Investigate? Sure, but don't start casting blame at anyone without some sort of evidence.

[Life Long Dem]

11. Much too early? Haa haa funny!

How did Hillary Clinton campaign know about the countries that Obama visited?

[LanternWaste]

13. Because travel records of members

Because travel records of members of congress are open to review by other members of congress...?

I imagine Sen. Obama has access to all of Sen. Clinton's travel records during her tenure in the Senate also.

[Life Long Dem]

17. We are talking Obama's entire life of traveling.

This is a breach of security within the government. Not good at all for all of us and our security. These are thnigs the goverment is trying to put a lid on and this happens?

Again I ask. Where is Hillary?

[LanternWaste]

21. Wasn't Sen. Clinton's statement

Wasn't Sen. Clinton's statement regarding Sen. Obama's regarding only travel during his tenure in office?

I see neither smoke, nor fire.

[Life Long Dem]

56. Take everyone out of the picture and tell me what you see?

Say you have a security breach within the White House by contractors. Is this no big deal to you?

[Arkansas Granny]

22. Did Hillary reference his travels before he was in the Senate? It was

my understanding that she only referred to his travels in his capacity as Senator and the details on those would be available to her by other means.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

20. Sure

I'm just wondering more about their "never been to Latin America" comment. How do they know that Obama's never been to Latin America?

It's a broad statement when accessing his travel records during his tenure in Congress. Did they mean that he's never been to Latin America during his tenure in Congress or never been there since he was born?

Let's say I was in the House from 2002-2004, I could honestly say I've never been to Latin America during my tenure. That would be a lie to say I've never been to Latin America ever. (Visited Mexico in 1992)

It's a bit ambiguous.

[LanternWaste]

23. I imagine ambiguity

I imagine ambiguity is in the eye of the beholder. I inferred the statement to regard only his tenure in the senate.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

29. Yes

If Hillary was wise to do some damage control, she'll have to explain where she got his travel records for that article. I'm looking forward to that before I make anymore tinfoil-hat-type statements.

[MelissaB]

41. I agree!

Investigate.

[Life Long Dem]

9. Yep

Connect the dots.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

15. I was going to post but good thing I saw your post

Could you also put a link to her website where she says the things in order to flesh out the post a bit: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6495

As voters evaluate you as a potential Commander-in-Chief, do you think it's legitimate for people to be concerned that you have traveled to only one NATO country, on a brief stopover trip in 2005, and have never traveled to Latin America?

How did they know where Obama traveled? I'm certain that there's been news articles about Obama traveling but how did they know he's never been to Latin America?

This really does link Clinton to Passportgate, in my humble opinion.

[joeybee12]

16. You people are insane, truly insane...

...words cannot describe how pathetically you try to turn everything into a rant against the Clintons and some conspiracy. And you wonder why you're called a cult.

[Life Long Dem]

18. Words? Maybe you should learn how to read them.

[mkultra]

19. sorry about that,

We are suspicious because the frequent lies that come from her mouth.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

24. Go in the corner

And take a deep breath.

The timing of the article on Hillary's website (3/12) and the Passportgate is quite uncanny. We are just wondering how they knew where Obama traveled to.

There could be simple explanations (accessed his travel record during his tenure in the Senate) but there are also complicated explanations, such as this coming out at the same time as Passportgate. How can we not question this article to Passportgate?

[RichGirl]

37. You hit the nail on the head.

In order to follow the premise of the Obama supporters, one would have to believe that Obama went to his closest confidants and said: "Don't tell anyone that I only went to one NATO country and that I've never been to Latin America. I don't want this to get out, it won't look good. Promise...pinky swear."

These are politicians who love to talk and they love to talk about themselves, where they have been, what they have done, etc. Why would Obama make an effort to keep his travel history a secret? He's open about his cocaine use, but needs to keep his travel choices a secret? I don't think so.

[Evergreen Emerald]

52. I know what you mean!

They have dehumanized Clinton to the point that the rants are vicious and filled with such hate it is getting scary around here (and also completely baseless).

[Laura PourMeADrink]

25. I don't believe in coincidences - It happened to Bill in 92 - he

surely found out then exactly how it was done.

[Texas Hill Country]

26. sure, dont pay attention to facts... like that this prolly had nothing to do with the Clintons

[scheming daemons]

30. You used "fact" and "prolly" in same sentence.... oh, the irony...

FACT: Hillary PROBABLY had nothing to do with this.



I think you need a new dictionary, THC.... one that tells you the meaning of the words "Fact" and "Probably" and how they are in direct contradiction in the context of your subject.

[gayron]

33. Daily Kos is your source.

Wow, the Obama camp is trying to change the story.

[csorman]

39. Yes, and the Kos diarist got it from CLINTON'S OWN MEMO.

So many Clinton supporters refuse to even CONSIDER that this may be an indication of something rotten in the state of the campaign.

[MelissaB]

42. I'm not a Clinton supporter, and I think these accusations are crazy.

We need an investigation to get to the bottom of this instead of flinging poo.

[WinkyDink]

58. LINK?

[niceypoo]

38. Obama supporters are basket cases

Seriously

[blonndee]

44. I think it's just a LITTLE early for this kind of nonsense. nt

[Scurrilous]

45. Kick

:kick:

[mudesi]

47. A happy coincidence!

It just so happened that the Clinton campaign decided to bring up Mr. Obama's travels. :sarcasm:

[thewiseguy]

54. By snooping into his passport files?

[WinkyDink]

57. Interesting. I Googled, and you know what the SOURCE of this is? "The National Review".

Picked up by "Free Republic" for further discussion.

DU is so special, isn't it?