First he throws his grandmother under the bus, then he runs over her several times.

[Seabiscuit]

By sitting in that pew for almost his entire adult life, Barack Obama allowed Rev. Wright to drum the last ounce of common sense out of him.

I for one will "cringe" for the future of our country if our party is so bereft of its senses as to nominate that flatulent gasbag as our candidate for the presidency.

I'll go right out and buy a bumper sticker that says: "Don't Blame Me. I voted for Edwards."

[leftofcool]

1. I'm with you

[dkf]

2. You hate black people that are pissed at their bad treatment?

I think it says more about you than about them.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

30. Yep.

[elixir]

58. Sick of black people stereotyping me as the bad guy...poor grandma.

[dkf]

64. Rev. Wright is railing against the government.

Are you the government?

[Mezzo]

89. and Barack Obama was talking about his g-d GRANDMOTHER who raised him, not the gov't nt

[roguevalley]

103. you amaze me. you act like his grandma didn't give persmission

to say what he said. You act like you give a rip about his grandma. I am sure you don't but she makes a nice club for you.

[stevenleser]

108. Ignored...

[texshelters]

115. Thanks for saying it "sick of stereotyping"

and not responding back with "he's racist against whites" which is not helpful.

I don't feel I'm in the racist category that Wright is talking about, so I'm not offended. Maybe living near the Black Muslim Bakery in Oakland helped.

Tex Shelters

[JoFerret]

101. that is a truly ignorant remark.

.

[Fredda Weinberg]

3. For bubbies everywhere, bless you n/t

It's the risk you take, having kids. One day, they will admit they despise you sometimes.

[cali]

13. How would YOU know?

You don't have children. It's something outside your experience.

[Fredda Weinberg]

31. One bubby escaped the Holocaust, child. She lived to be well served

by daughter and grandchildren. Although she died in hospital, she never spent a night alone.

And well worth heeding ... this was a couple who saw tragedy coming and acted in time.

So no, dear ... it's not outside my experience to know a grandparent who had to forbear the modern age.

[Warren Stupidity]

4. I for one will be partying in DC 1-20-09 should either Clinton or Obama

win the general election. Either one of these fine candidates would be a transformational change from the current situation.

I am really disgusted with the crap spewed by both sides here. Get a clue.

[zanne]

22. I'm with you! Either Dem wins hands down over McCain! nt

[Seabiscuit]

34. With all the ammunition Obama's been handing McCain these days, and

by painting that target on his backside bigger and bigger every time he opens his mouth, I'm beginning to wonder about that.

[texshelters]

116. Can you explain this remark

How has he been painting a target on his back?

That comment has no foundation.

Tex Shelters

[JoFerret]

123. McCain won't even have to pay campiagn workers to write his scripts

.

[elixir]

62. I'm jumping on that train too.

[Colobo]

5. Poor you.

[PM7nj]

6. Here's what he heard in those pews...

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TRINITYCHGO

HORRIBLE!

[Seabiscuit]

83. Sorry, but I've seen and heard enough of Wright's insane, racist, sexist rants.

Watching those video clips made me feel like I was Andy Dufresne in "The Shawshank Redemption", as Morgan Freeman put it, "crawling through a river of shit".

[wowimthere]

105. I'm trying to understand something here...

So you mean it's okay for America to abuse people but it's unacceptable for someone to be outraged at the treatment?

[texshelters]

118. Ditto that

That is what I was asking about in my post!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3043040&mesg_id=3043040

Tex Shelters

[bowens43]

7. what a stupid post.

[Abacus]

11. One of his worst

I was going to ask if his account was hacked but I think I'll /ignore instead.

[niceypoo]

23. I agree...

...I thought only Obama supporters spewed this kind of invective

[blogslut]

8. You sure love violent analogies

Why is that?

[soleft]

9. your post shocks me

maybe shocks is too strong. disappoints.

[cali]

10. I cringe at your profoundly stupid

post, with it's ugly inferences. Do something about your hate problem. Counseling, drugs, whatever.

[SoCalDem]

17. i think it's safe to say that our OP here is a Clinton supporter

:rofl:

[Ichingcarpenter]

32. Very, very safe to say

:) :hi:

[olkaz]

94. Honestly, I think it's more likely the OP is a freeper.

But, with that blind hatred in the post, I guess it is a tossup.

[Seabiscuit]

106. Wow. I'm honored. That's the first time I've been called a "freeper" by

an Obamanoid or by anyone else.

Typical Obamanoid, depicting any criticism of its Messiah as "blind hatred".

Guess I injected just the right amount of truth serum under its skin and it freaked out.

:rofl:

[JuniperLea]

92. Surely you are looking in the mirror right now...

I've seen nothing but vile hatred from you here.

[Maine-ah]

12. calling one of our own a "flatulent gasbag" will get you far.

is it possible to have a real conversation about our candidates with out the name calling? This goes for both sides.

[Seabiscuit]

35. Nominating a "flatulent gasbag" to lead our party to the White House won't get anyone but McCain far

[cali]

38. I'd tell you to try and learn the difference between opinion and fact

but why bother trying to educate the likes of you.

[dogday]

47. Once you get through with that, try some manners to win

others over to your candidate... This serves no purpose other to inflame and insult.. You do well do get a few lessons yourself...

[cali]

51. Oh, please.

The OP is vile. I'd never write anything like that about Clinton. It's only purpose was to inflame. I'm not interested in the advice of hypocrites, thank you very much.

[dogday]

53. Then best not to take your own adivce

Your are full of yourself... bingo

[cyndensco]

99. So what do you think we should do?

[Seabiscuit]

111. Two guesses. And the first one doesn't count.

:)

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. Put a quarter in the slot & out comes a bogus speech that seems profound

and says nothing new or original. Worse yet, the "uniter" is starting to get really nasty & mean spirited.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

39. "starting to get really nasty""?....

Talk to the folks in Chicago who he...ahem...was running against for the state senate seat. He took them all to court seperately and had all 5 of them thrown off the ballot so he could run unopposed. nice "fair and balanced" guy eh?

[SammyWinstonJack]

93. Starting to get really nasty and mean spirited. Add that to his arrogance and huge ego.

By the way, I think he's always been a little on the nasty side, imo.

[noel711]

15. My grandmother was a typical white person too....

she loved me more than the world, but she said and did things
that embarassed me. I can still loved her, and admit that
she, a product of her generation, was 'limited.'

I guess I threw my grandmother under the bus too.

My father, a dear sweet loving man who'd do anything for me,
was a product of his generation too. He was a Goldwater Republican,
and could be a nasty racist. He hated Martin Luther King Jr. and
would spew racist comments constantly.

I guess I threw my father under the bus too.

I guess in this climate we can't be honest about our family's
failures and frailties. We'll never get anywhere in this country
until we can be honest about our families, and each other.

Shame on us.

[zanne]

16. You people sound like rightwing monsters.

I'm absolutely disgusted. This isn't the DU I know.

[Buzz Clik]

24. No kidding. I used to post at rightwing sites because I enjoyed the diversity of opinion.

Around election season, however, the crass racism and hate would be trotted out. I quit posting at those sites.

Welcome to DU's version of rushfans.com, conserv*****undergro***.com, etc -- where hate rules the day.

[zanne]

26. I went to that "other" website a few days ago...

They sounded tame next to GDP.

[Buzz Clik]

28. No kidding.

[Seabiscuit]

33. I'm no more your "you people" than I am Obama's "typical white person".

I find your post as thorougly disgusting as Obama's blatant racist stereotyping crap.

[murray hill farm]

37. It seems to me that....

this whole business has really brought out the racism...or gave a safe avenue for a lot of ingrained racism to come out in an "acceptable" way for many, many white folks. If you jump on that bandwagen, then it might be time to question your own racist ideas and beliefs.

[Seabiscuit]

41. At least try to think about making some kind of sense before posting.

That's just twisted gibberish.

Obama and his followers are the ones who keep playing the race card. Over and over and over again. And they keep whining about racism where none exists. Like the story about the boy who "cried wolf" too many times, people are learning to ignore him/turn their backs on him.

It's sickening.

[murray hill farm]

65. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

maybe i was refering to you.

[murray hill farm]

42. addendum

SB...I was not refering to you..ha. I meant to post this in general and not as a response to what you said. Pat

[Buzz Clik]

18. You are uninformed, and you are looking silly right now.

Have you watched the full videos of the Wright sermons in question? Have you?

Have you watched any of his other sermons?

That's a rhetorical question because there are only two options: 1) You have not watched them and you are speaking out of pure ignorance; 2) You have watched them, and you are speaking out of fear and hate.

Either way, you come out looking very, very bad.

[Cheap_Trick]

100. like bush with his intel

they cherry-pick the sermons to get the meme they need.

[Hepburn]

19. IMO, John Edwards would be embarrassed to have...

...support from someone like you.

JMHO

[Cooley Hurd]

20. "Flatulent gasbag?" Project much?

:eyes:

[ShortnFiery]

21. Educate - don't let the MSM throw an entire 8400 people CHRISTIAN congregation under the bus.

Out of thousands of hours of ministry for which he has two commendations, two minutes of Rev. Wright's sermons has played on a loop.

I request that we ALL hesitate to JUDGE the entire Church OR the individual on the SOLE basis of M$M's cruel and one sided sound bytes.

Check this out ----> http://truthabouttrinity.blogspot.com/

[Seeker30]

25. Yep, threw her under the bus with Wright in the drivers seat

Its obvious were his loyalty lies.

[workinclasszero]

27. Its crazy to see right wing talking points on DU

But then again, its hard to see much difference between Hillbots and rethugs lately.:shrug:

[Seeker30]

29. Unless of course Bill is being called a racist

Then its ok.

[workinclasszero]

95. If the shoe fits, wear it

That applies to former Presidents and their spouses.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

36. kudos!

[Hoof Hearted]

40. He then used her to insult first an entire ethnic group, and then an entire age group.

Stunning.

[Seabiscuit]

44. It is amazing. How many people can make a statement that offends race, sex and age all at once?

[Seabiscuit]

113. Too late to edit, but it looks like Obama just won the Gutter Trifecta award.

racism, sexism, and ageism all in one.

[azmouse]

43. Just stop it.

We've had numerous threads on this non-subject already.
Move on. You sound childish by continuing to rant about this.

[Seabiscuit]

45. What are you doing here? Why haven't you "moved on"?

[azmouse]

49. You're pathetic.

Trying to make political hay over someone's grandmother. I'm sure you were next to Obama during his entire relationship with his grandmother to make some expert opinion on it.

You are another one for my ignore list. buh-bye.

[Seabiscuit]

68. Wake up, dude! Obama's the one "trying to make political hay out of someone's grandmother".

Man, that kool-aid is powerful stuff. Melts brain cells faster than sulfuric acid.

[uponit7771]

46. Obama is a white man, he would know :-)

[LanternWaste]

48. Shouldn't it be his own grandmother who interprets...

Wouldn't it be his own grandmother who interprets whether she was "thrown under the bus" or not?

I have a co-worker who just know called her sister a "bee-atch" on the phone. Was she throwing her sister under the bus or not?

Or (and I find this much more likely and plausible) is it possible only she and her sister know for sure if the statement was pejorative or not?

[Seabiscuit]

102. Only his grandmother has the right to interpret/comment on what he said about her

when he's accusing all white people of being racist when he first claims in his 38 minute speech that she made racist remarks and then several days later in an interview says she's just a "typical white person" for making those remarks?

:wtf:

Sorry, but I don't have to be his grandmother to be offended. He's not just throwing her under the bus. He's also thowing all white people under the bus as well. Some "uniter".

[stevietheman]

50. You do realize you're repeating a reich-wing-radio talking point, right? n/t

n/t

[high density]

56. The Obama haters only have right-wing talking points to fall back on now

The bus they're talking about will flatten them soon with Obama's granny at the wheel.

[Seabiscuit]

57. I don't listen to right-wing radio. I'm speaking common sense.

But you've obviously been drinking from the kool-aid fountain for so long now you wouldn't realize that, would you.

[stevietheman]

59. But I watched/listened to the entire speech.

It is clear that you did not.

This is one of the greatest political speeches on race, ever, and you concentrate on one line, one honest depiction amongst many, to deride.

Kind of pathetic.

[Seabiscuit]

66. I wasn't just talking about one speech in the OP. I was talking about Obama's recent references to

his grandmother, first accusing her of making racist comments to him when he was a child so much as to make him "cringe" (throwing her under the bus), then following that up with an interview several days later referring to her AGAIN as being "a typical white person", itself a racist statement on his part ("running over her again and again").

Your brain cells were put there for a reason: use them.

[stevietheman]

71. It is clear your position has the anti-intellectual force of a Seabiscuit.

What Obama is saying needs to be said. And I'm white.

His message is ultimately a healing one.

And no, you DID NOT watch/listen to the entire speech. You are in league with Limpballs, clear and simple.

[Seabiscuit]

75. Your phony presumptuousness betrays you.

I DID watch the entire speech, and I read the entire text.

Irrelevant.

I didn't feel the least bit "healed" by it.

I found too much in it to be so offensive, that by the time he followed it up with more offensiveness in that interview, I became completely disgusted and started this OP to point some of it out.

You're living in a hallucinatory world from drinking all that kool-aid, and it's caused you to imagine you're some kind of psychic, pretending to know what I've watched or listened to and what I haven't. And each time you've made your pyschic pronouncements you've been 100% dead wrong.

[stevietheman]

79. You didn't LISTEN to the speech. That is clear.

In reality, this was the most honest, uplifting speech on race in a long time.

That you refuse to see this only proves you are a Hillary partisan who is playing a political game.

And this is sad.

This isn't about Obama's presidential aspirations. This is about a historical opportunity that the _clear delegate leader_ took but didn't have to.

Your position is a train that has run off the rails.

[Dawgs]

74. It's obvious you don't know what "throwing under the bus" means.

I'm not surprised that you don't get anything else.

[Auntie Bush]

52. I'll go out and buy one that says, " Don't Blame Me. I voted for Hillary.

And then I'll get one free that says, "Don't Blame Me. I wanted to vote for CLARK"

[SammyWinstonJack]

97. I want one that says. "I wanted to vote for Edwards but the corprat media took care of that."

x(

[libodem]

54. This is just inflammatory B.S.

Stop it! I think being able to see his grandmother's POV has broadened Obama's understanding of human nature. Human beings are victims of their environments. Bigotry is taught as is understanding and tolerance. Leave that poor damn Gramma out of this. I was taught tolerance and acceptance in a pure white community. It was easy for me to practice being above it all. I never saw anyone Jewish, black or Gypsy. It was a thrill for me to attend HS in a town near an Air Force base and meet kids of color and mixed heritage. Our biggest turf wars were between cowboys and hippies. All white jerks.

Later in life I had a boyfriend who had lived in several different states. He was German and Mexican and less tolerant than I am. He would tell me stuff like there are cities that you would not want to in on the wrong side of town. You can't be so open minded and liberal that you would jeopardize your safety by being where you don't belong. I had to admit that flaming white liberals don't always a corner on the market of real life experience. It isn't all black and white so to speak. Some times the content is situational. An animal lover doesn't cover themselves in honey and lay in a bear den or stand in a stampede. Your altruism and soft heart won't save you.

People fear what they don't know and what is different from them. Exposure and introduction into the unknown makes it less powerfully fearsome. Even if you are taught not to be prejudiced if you have never seen someone different you'll take a second look and be hesitant until you are reassured. That grandmother is no less human than you are. Get over it.

[Seabiscuit]

63. "Leave that poor damn Gramma out of this."

Maybe you should have scolded Obama about this BEFORE he brought her up as an example of white racism and then brought her up again just to show what a black racist he is, claiming she's just a "typical white person". Your post is drip-drip-dripping with hypocrisy and desperation.

[elixir]

55. How about "my grandmother is NOT your typical white person"? Too long.

[Seabiscuit]

60. How about leaving his poor grandmother out of his dumb speeches altogether?

Give the poor lady a break.

I haven't heard him talk about her at all until that crap about her making racist remarks when he was a child, and I don't believe he learned to "cringe" about whatever she said until he'd had 20 years of Wright crapola bouncing around in his brain. Now he couples that with a racist comment about her AND about white people everywhere?

He's starting to sound like Wright has brainwashed him into sheer insensitive idiocy.

[zulchzulu]

61. Thanks for not really paying attention...

Nuance and talking about complicated issues aren't for you...that's OK.

:boring:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

67. It's really sad, isn't it?

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who plays the "reverse racism" card should get tombstoned. Immediately.

[ClayZ]

69. Watch the whole sermon. Step out of the swiftboat!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/20/224958/631/841/481227

[Seabiscuit]

70. Note to Obamanoids everywhere: stop misusing the word "swiftboat".

That's just another example of "crying wolf".

[walldude]

78. Note to Hillarybots everywhere:

stop using right wing talking points to defend your candidate. It's sad really....

Look it's the American Conservative!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5177387

Look it's Michelle Malkin!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5176924

Look it's Michael Meyers!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5191013


Look, I'm :puke:

[TragedyandHope]

72. All this grasping at straws

shows that the other camp has absolutely nothing to offer. Honestly, who believes this kind of stuff is going to sell people on Hillary?

[Seabiscuit]

85. I'm not part of that "other camp".

Obamanoids are such presumptuous asses.

Don't blame me, pal. I voted for Edwards.

[Dawgs]

73. Dumbest post ever award!!

Edwards would be embarrassed to have your support.

[stevietheman]

80. It is indeed a crap post, but worst ever, probably not. :) n/t

n/t

[K Gardner]

76. Another democrat-turned-troll for my ignore list.

[ClayZ]

81. Me too!

I am tired of trying to reason with them!

[K Gardner]

77. dupe

[shayes51]

82. Let's hope it does not come to voting for him.

[Seabiscuit]

84. Indeed. I'm sick and tired of holding my nose at the ballot box.

[stevietheman]

87. So you must support somebody other than Obama and Hillary then...

because if you support Hillary, you want a Republican-Lite on foreign policy issues, and that's what makes most of us hold our nose when thinking about Hillary.

[SammyWinstonJack]

98. That's what I am hoping.

[cooolandrew]

86. No-one is after his grandmother she sounds wonderful except media...

He said the best of his relations were inside him and he was very complimentary about his grandmother too. It is something that happenss to every bi racial person I can confirm this as one.Where has the Democratic empahty gone this is not who we are.

[Seabiscuit]

88. At least this thread

gave me the opportunity to add over a dozen posters to my "ignore" list.

[Growler]

90. Good lord...

How did you miss my IGNORE button??

[SammyWinstonJack]

91. !!!

:thumbsup:

[cottonseed]

96. You've been watching Fox and Friends haven't you?

Even the people at Fox are realizing what idiots they are starting to look like with this stuff. Good luck with it.

[wowimthere]

104. Watch the entire sermon and stop swallowing the swill the media is giving you.

Judge for yourself.

[stevenleser]

107. Pure flamebait. Welcome to my ignore list

[wowimthere]

109. When a person judges another without all the facts...

they themselves look hypocritical. When they refuse to get all of the facts then they are considered hypocrites who are ignorant of the facts.

Your post seems devoid of facts. It's as if you decided that a people who were predisposed to abuse from its government should shut up and take it. How much do you really know about our country? We've done good things. We've also done bad things.

If we say we are so great then Wright is saying we should act it.

You sound like someone who understands racism but you don't like it being brought to your face. And you want to call someone else racist but you yourself may harbor some racist feelings.

When you post a comment use facts to back it up or you look like you're out of touch.

for instance... Wright said that America was responsible for slavery, Japanese internment camps, dropping the atomic bomb on innocent people, invading Iraq on a lie. Those are facts. Shouldn't we all be upset about that? Or is it that you just don't care about those things. And to boot, you don't want to hear a black man spell out the atrocities we've caused?

[wowimthere]

110. When a person judges another without all the facts...

they themselves look hypocritical. When they refuse to get all of the facts then they are considered hypocrites who are ignorant of the facts.

Your post seems devoid of facts. It's as if you decided that a people who were predisposed to abuse from its government should shut up and take it. How much do you really know about our country? We've done good things. We've also done bad things.

If we say we are so great then Wright is saying we should act it.

You sound like someone who understands racism but you don't like it being brought to your face. And you want to call someone else racist but you yourself may harbor some racist feelings.

When you post a comment use facts to back it up or you look like you're out of touch.

for instance... Wright said that America was responsible for slavery, Japanese internment camps, dropping the atomic bomb on innocent people, invading Iraq on a lie. Those are facts. Shouldn't we all be upset about that? Or is it that you just don't care about those things. And to boot, you don't want to hear a black man spell out the atrocities we've caused?

[Sparkly]

112. "flatulent gasbag?"

:wow:

[wowimthere]

114. The OP has not answered any questions with substance at all.

[texshelters]

117. My grandma once said, "this place is becoming n....r heaven!

So we should just shut up and take it?

So he pointed out Grandmas imperfections, the imperfections of someone he loves, to make a point.

What is so wrong about pointing out the embedded racism in this country?

Why does that lack "common sense". You see to want to defend a racist comment by grandma but not reverend Wright. What's up with that?

Tex Shelters

[Seabiscuit]

120. You're in such denial you refuse to acknowledge the obvious.

Barack's grandmother, according to him made a few racist comments when he was a child. But he also praises her for all she did in raising him when both parents were AWOL.

There are a lot of people who have relatives that have done something stupid, embarassing, or even shameful. But part of being human is honor one's family by keeping family matters private.

When a person running for president comes out and blasts his grandmother for being a racist, he is crossing the line, making a very private matter something public BEFORE THE ENTIRE WORLD just so he can exploit it AT HER EXPENSE to attempt to overcome his own embarassment over the fact he's been sitting in church for 20 years listening to a black racist spew incendiary bile. Violating his grandmother's privacy by making her an example of white racism to the entire planet to falsely and irrationally justify his support of a stupid, crazed, black racist minister he's too stupid (and perhaps too racist himself) to disavow.

Shame on him and shame on you for trying to dig up some lame excuse for it.

[High Plains]

119. Asshole thread of the year. Congratulations, dude...

I now know to ignore anything with your name on it.

[Seabiscuit]

121. Buh-bye and good riddance.

Scum.

[LWolf]

122. I don't know that I'd characterize the Wright situation that way,

but I think your bumper sticker works no matter which of them "win" the nomination.