Her statement is, to be precise, a lie

[keep_it_real]

<snip>
"When it comes to the essential test of the trade debate, Clinton has been identified as a liar -- a put-in-boldface-type "L-I-A-R" liar."

more here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080320/cm_thenation/1300860

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. The latest Obama "unity" theme, Hillary lied!

All the usual water carriers echo in unison.

[blonndee]

2. What does John Nichols, the author of this opinion piece, have to do with any Obama campaign themes?

[sellitman]

3. This post isnt needed or helpful.

But then again .....its time Hillary and her supporters realize that for the good of the party she exits the race. One of her best friends Gov. Richardson just dropped the biggest hint he could by supporting Obama. She needs to go home.

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. According to you?

pffft

[sellitman]

14. No... According to one of her best friends.

Stop sticking your head in the sand.

[Cheap_Trick]

25. it's not the sand they have their heads stuck in

on the plus side, they don't need expensive colonoscopies to see if there's a problem.

[PoliticalAmazon]

26. I disagree. Hillary is a liar, and it has to be said loud and clear.

If the same thing would have been done when Bush Jr lied, if someone who had access to getting their opinion widely circulated had said it clearly and often, we might have had a different outcome in 2000.

But, Hillary Clinton, Bush Jr's lies were so blatant and outrageous, the press was intimidated by the pure brazenness of it. So they tip-toed around the issue, or ignored it completely, hoping that the American public would get it on their own.

Well, not enough of voters got it with Bush the liar, and I don't think enough voters are yet getting it with Hillary the liar.

It needs to be said over and over again, each time she lies. Otherwise, we may end up with a future of nothing but GWB/HRC clones in the Oval Office.

[CitizenRob]

5. So if Hillary is telling a lie in order to bash Obama he isn't supposed to point it out?

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. What lie?

Obama is making up shit about NAFTA in order to cover his own stupid ass. Nobody but blog geeks are buying that shit.

[Armstead]

7. For the link-using impaired -- from the article above

"....Now that we know from official records of her time as First Lady that Clinton was the featured speaker at a closed-door session where 120 women opinion leaders were hectored to pressure their congressional representatives to approve NAFTA; now that we know from ABC News reporting on the session that "her remarks were totally pro-NAFTA" and that "there was no equivocation for her support for NAFTA at the time;" now that we have these details confirmed, what should we make of Clinton's campaign claim that she was never comfortable with the militant free-trade agenda that has cost the United States hundreds of thousands of union jobs, that has idled entire industries, that has saddled this country with record trade deficits, undermined the security of working families in the US and abroad, and has forced Mexican farmers off their land into an economic refugee status that ultimately forces them to cross the Rio Grande River in search of work?

As she campaigns now, Clinton says, "I have been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning."

But the White House records confirm that this is not true.

Her statement is, to be precise, a lie.

When it comes to the essential test of the trade debate, Clinton has been identified as a liar -- a put-in-boldface-type "L-I-A-R" liar.

Those of us who covered the 1993 NAFTA debate have frequently expressed doubts about the former First Lady's recent statements. We never heard anything at the time about her dissenting from the Clinton Administration line on trade policy. And we knew that she had defended NAFTA in the years following its enactment. But fairness required that we at least entertain that notion--promoted by the lamentable David Gergen, himself a champion of free-trade policies while working in the Clinton White House--that Hillary Clinton had been a behind-the-scenes critic. We had to at least consider the possibility that, at the very least, Clinton had been worried that advancing NAFTA would trip up her advocacy for health care reform, that she had made her concerns known and that she had absented herself from pro-NAFTA lobbying.

This was certainly the impression that Clinton and her supporters sought to create as she campaigned in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana--states where worried workers want to know exactly where the candidates have stood and currently stand with regard to trade issues.

But that impression was a deliberate deception.

[The_Casual_Observer]

10. That's pure hearsay. Get lost with that shit.

The nation hasn't got shit.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

11. Hearsay? Try Eye Witness Corroboration

But you're right, The Nation is just a right-wing scandal sheet...

[keep_it_real]

12. Clinton's 1993 NAFTA Meeting - ABC News

<snip>
Two attendees of that closed-door briefing, neither of whom are affiliated with any campaign, describe that event for ABC News. It was a room full of women involved in international trade. David Gergen served as a sort of master of ceremonies as various women members of the Cabinet talked up NAFTA, which had yet to pass Congress.

"It wasn’t a drop-by it was organized around her participation," said one attendee. "Her remarks were totally pro-NAFTA and what a good thing it would be for the economy. There was no equivocation for her support for NAFTA at the time.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/clintons-1993-n.html

[Terran]

32. Read down the thread

That "shit" is pretty hard to ignore. I'm one of the less partisan people hanging out in here, but really...a lie would appear to be a lie and nothing less in this case.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

9. I'll assume you haven't followed the link...

Hillary has repeatedly (and quite forcefully) said that she didn't not support NAFTA at the time and that she had doubts about it. Actual quote from a recent interview with the Indianapolis Star: "Actually I was opposed to it (NAFTA) and people like David Gergen, who is not a supporter or endorser of mine, has come forward to state clearly that I opposed NAFTA, spoke out against it inside the White House."

The newly-released White House records have her participating in at least five meetings for the purpose of convincing key business and congressional leaders that NAFTA should be approved.

She needs to explain this.

[krkaufman]

16. Nichols isn't an "Obama" supporter or surrogate

... so much as a progressive journalist. And it is not surprising that a progressive journalist takes issue with Sen. Clinton's actual record, relative to the tale being spun during the campaign.

[rodeodance]

i noticed several subject lines with the Lie meme.

[krkaufman]

21. That tends to happen when Sen. Clinton lies.

:shrug:

[PoliticalAmazon]

27. Didn't you know? It's a vast left-wing conspiracy that makes her lie.

[krkaufman]

31. frickin propagandists at 'The Nation', spinning Hillary's false statements as lies. n/t

[nels25]

20. Hey if the truth is the truth!!

then you have to deal with it.

Reality sucks, does it not??

[DeadElephant_ORG]

30. a crique of her honesty is the POINT of a campaign, and has nothing to do with sowing disunity.

[mtnsnake]

8. Funny how when The Nation is used for Obamabots it's fine

but if a Hillary supporter links to it they're villified.

What a pathetic load of spinneramic garbage!

[Armstead]

13. WTF are you talking about?

Maybe I missed it, but I don't see people criticizing the fact that something comes from The Nation.

They might criticize the content of a certain article, but not The Nation as a source. The only ones who have criticized The Nation are generally the more conservative posters who say it is "too left wing."

[NYCGirl]

15. I believe mtnsnake has mistaken The Nation for The National Review? NT

[krkaufman]

19. good guess. gotta wonder, otherwise. n/t

[Bonobo]

17. The Nation!!! My God, you just embarrassed yourself irredeemably.

[krkaufman]

18. What exactly is so heinous about 'The Nation'? Every progressive, if not liberal and Democrat ...

... should have a subscription.

[Zodiak]

22. I think you are getting the Nation confused for Newsmax n/t

[NYCGirl]

24. Couldn't be. The Hillarites love Newsmax. NT

[quantass]

23. k

[1776Forever]

28. Clinton Gets Caught Again on NAFTA

David Sirota
Clinton Gets Caught Again on NAFTA

Posted February 24, 2008

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/clinton-gets...

(snip)

According to NBC's Meet the Press, in 2004, Clinton said, "I think, on balance, NAFTA has been good for New York and America."

In her memoir, Clinton trumpeted her husband's "successes on the budget, the Brady bill and NAFTA."

And in 1998, Bloomberg News reports that she praised corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of NAFTA." Another direct quote.

[Major Hogwash]

29. When all else fails, deny it. What do you expect from Mrs. NAFTA?

She was Bubba's biggest supporter back in the 90's, of course she endorsed NAFTA.

[LaurenG]

33. And now where is her apology for reaming Senator Obama in Ohio

for saying that she did support NAFTA. She reamed him and made a dramatic spectacle of herself.

Shame on Hillary Clinton.