Ridiculous... 1 in 5 Dems to swtich McCain if their candidate loses primary?

[CitizenRob]

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200803/POL20080321a.html

I find the source a bit suspicious, but despite that, I find it repulsive that HRC has managed to create so much acrimony in her personal drive for power over the good of the party.

Hillary has FRAMED this ENTIRE election around herself being a victim of Obama, not McCain. The end result is that Hillary supporters resent Obama, and Obama supporters hate Hillary for what they feel is a false claim of victimhood. So it's not hard to believe that each side would shed percentages to the "lesser enemy."

YES IT'S FUCKING RIDICULOUS THAT JOHN MCCAIN IS THE LESSER ENEMY. But let's face it, Hillary ENDORSED McCain over Obama. Hillary has painted her self as a victim of sexist attacks (a dubious claim at best!) from Obama.

HILLARY has framed for BOTH sides in the Dem primary that McCain is the lesser enemy.

Hillary supporter: "Obama isn't competent compared to McCain, Obama has attacked me because I'm female. I won't vote for a sexist inexperienced hopester ever."

Obama Supporters: "Obama has been attacked by Hillary with LIES, racially charged tactics, she voted for the war etc... I won't vote for that, ever."

I DEFY any HRC supporter to provide REAL justification for Hillary's "I'm a victim" stance in regards to Obama. Or HELL just show me what REAL experience she has that she claims she has over him. (If you claim the 4 extra years in the senate don't be surprised if you have to claim her war vote too.)

[ananda]

1. Not me.

I will NEVER vote Reep.

[Recursion]

2. It also kind of goes against the meme that "real" Democrats prefer HRC...

...since they seem so ready to jump ship.

[rug]

3. Not surprising since probably 1 of 5 primary and caucus voters were not Democrats

going all the way back to Iowa.

[Nitrogenica]

4. I doubt it.

[leftofcool]

5. I believe it

Am seeing it here right in my own state

[bluestateguy]

6. That's just polling noise

People saying that out of spite if "their" candidate is not nominated. Once the campaign kicks into gear for the real election, those numbers will drop. Though the sooner the better for us to get this primary business over with.

Analogously, remember that Nader was polling at 6-8% in the polls until the last week of the campaign, and dropped to 2.7% on election day.

[clevbot]

7. hopefully Richardson can get hillary to DROPOUT

[peace13]

8. Wait until the debates.

If McCain performs like I think he will they would be foolish to vote for him. They will vote for endless war and their kids dying for oil ....I don't think so.

[newfie11]

9. From the fighting on DU I tend to think this poll has it right

Even in this tread! Obama's people were also willing to vote for repukes as well as Hillary's.
Come on stop fighting each other. We cannot afford 4-8 years of McCain.Wise up and stop being childish.

[CitizenRob]

11. I don't think I could vote for Hillary. I wouldn't vote for McCain though.

[newfie11]

16. If enough people have that attitude

and Hillary is the nominee we might be looking at pres Mccain.

Which is worse!

[CitizenRob]

20. Which is worse is a good question.

At this point I'm not really sure.

As every day passes the Samantha Powers statement that Hillary is a "Monster" seems more and more accurate.

[high density]

27. I feel like you do, but I would vote for Clinton for nothing else but to save

the Supreme Court. I believe her nominees would be markedly better than those of McCain.

[Growler]

38. Exactly! n/t

[gateley]

10. I think it's a valid concern.

It's my personal belief that many of the Hillary and Obama supporters were energized for the first time during this campaign. The large numbers both have garnered point to that. Something about their candidate spurred them to get involved -- and they believe in that candidate wholeheartedly. When that candidate doesn't receive the nom, I do have a fear that many of them will just say "fuck it" and either not vote at all or vote for McCain.

Even here on DU, where we ostensibly support the PARTY, there are comments along those lines which I find really alarming.

When Biden first dropped out it was like I'd been kicked in the stomach and all the air had been taken away. I can only imagine how supporters as devoted to their candidate as I was to Biden would respond after this extended fever-pitched battle should their candidate not make the cut.

Because this particular campaign is playing out as it is, I don't think we can afford to assume that the supporters of the "other" candidate will vote for the nominee just because s/he is a Dem. There's too much emotion at play this time around, and we don't do our best clear thinking when we're flooded with emotions.

[niceypoo]

12. Most of them are Hillary supporters...

...who are turned off by the negative zealotry of Obama's supporters.

You can't completely abuse a candidate and her supporters then expect them to join you.

[meow mix]

13. thats ok 1 in 5 Republicans will cross over for Obama

itll be made up easily..

[niceypoo]

14. Only problem with that theory...

...is that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to back it up. If Obama supporters bank on republicans making up for all those they drive away, Obama is toast

[meow mix]

28. i know quite a few personally..

so i dont really need any more evidence for myself =)
people i thought would NEVER vote dem, democrat haters all the way. they are excited about crossing over for obama.

and many others say the same, so i guess i believe them lol

[CitizenRob]

15. Semantics: "Obama supporters" and "Clinton supporters" not necc democrats

Republicans. The article is talking about supporters, not democrats.

So, while I find it possible that Obama could bring Republicans over to support him, his message is very positive and people want that now. I also find that it is possible a portion of "Hillary supporters" are Republicans who want McCain to face a weak candidate.

The fact that Obama's Republican crossovers wouldn't support Hillary isn't surprising, she is after all the rights #1 favorite target. The fact that Hillary wouldn't retain her "crossovers" is because they never really supported her in the first place isn't a surprise either.

[zalinda]

21. And because of the way Obama supporters treat

everyone who doesn't support "their guy", I find myself defending Clinton, and really hating Obama. I'm not sure if I can vote for him, his message is hatred, or at least that's what his supporters spread. I didn't care for Obama or Clinton from the beginning, but I would have voted for them. This is no longer the case. I don't know if I can vote for Obama, and with Clinton, I'll hold my nose, and you can thank their supporters for those results.

zalinda

[olkaz]

17. QUIT LINKING TO BS CONSERVATIVE SITES

Ugh.

Is this so hard? You're playing RIGHT into their hands.

[CitizenRob]

19. Hillary linked directly McCain by endorsing him over Obama.

[olkaz]

23. What does this have to do with anything?

I'm tired of letting conservative websites frame our arguments when they attack one of the two sides.

It's ridiculous.

[CitizenRob]

26. I'm tired of Hillary frameing this primary as McCain being the lesser evil.

[olkaz]

29. Dude, listen.

I don't like Hillary either. Voted for, donated to, and am supporting Obama. Now listen.

Linking to conservative sites hurts us. No matter what. Buying into ANY of their framing hurts our party. Period.

Okay?

[CitizenRob]

33. all ears.

I agree, but as I said in the OP, I am cynical about the source.

[asjr]

18. This is getting so old it stinks. If you

don't like Hillary Clinton, don't vote for her. It is that simple. She did not endorse McCain and everyone knows it. This is just more PlayDough trying to become Lincoln Logs. It is old and repetitive and means nothing. This is election season. Those that say they would vote McCain over Clinton are spouting off in order to make themselves seem smart. When they get to the voting booth no one knows how they will vote.

[CitizenRob]

22. Everybody knows it?? Watch her do it TWICE...

Are you serious?

http://www.liberaltimes.com/?p=83">Video of TWO times she endorsed McCain over Obama

[bunnies]

24. Maybe the Clintons should stop talking up John McCain then.

Just a thought.

[CitizenRob]

34. What?!

I know, it's hard to believe that when a candidate says that McCain is a better candidate than Obama that people might actually BELIEVE her!

[bunnies]

37. No kidding.

What the hell did they expect? :eyes:

[rucky]

25. The message I take from it is...

WE BETTER PULL OUR SHIT TOGETHER, NOW!

[Hugabear]

30. Judging from a lot of posts here on DU, I'm afraid that might be true

I've seen a lot of posts from both Hillary and Obama supporters vowing they will not vote for the other candidate if they should win.

I realize the OP linked to a conservative site, but judging from what I've seen just here on DU, I don't think it's that far fetched.

[against all enemies]

31. I doubt it, when it comes to the vote they'll stay.

[Terran]

32. People who feel that strongly...

are smart enough to know that McCain and the republican party are the real enemies here. I doubt very much that, come November, a ton of otherwise committed Democrats are going to cut off their noses to spite their faces. It ain't gonna happen.

[DefenseLawyer]

35. If you find the source suspicious, why quote it?

Hmmmmm....... :shrug:

[Auntie Bush]

36. Thanks for you fair and balanced non-biased post...You just won me over.

Absolutely NOT. But keep posting...maybe you might get one foolish colorblind person, who loves Kool-Aid, to see see blue when it's really green.