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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:16 PM
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Clinton Campaign's $16 million fib.
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=926

The Los Angeles Times reports, after scouring Federal Elections Commission (FEC) reports that Clinton’s, uh, creative math, included “$10 million from her Senate campaign account and a $5-million personal loan.”

The Associated Press digs deeper into the numbers (the February filing reports came in yesterday) and notes that most of the $19 million that Clinton did raise in February was either offset by unpaid bills or was “general election” money (what big donors, lobbyists and PACs that have already given the maximum $2,300 to the primary campaign then give to a fund that can only be used if the candidate becomes the nominee...



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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:20 PM
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1. So a good chunk of it was already hers, just located somewhere
else in her finances--kind of like when I tranfer money from savings into checking?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:26 PM
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5. Yeah , some seem not to like facts around here.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:28 PM
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8. Except that the media played it up like she had suddenly become more popular
Than yellow peeps at Easter.

Not her fault, but a false impression was created none the less.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:52 PM
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20. chuckle. very timely comment re: peeps. n/t
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:25 PM
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23. They're here - they're there -- they are everywhere!
Whether they peep for Obama or for clinton remains to be seen/or heard.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:44 PM
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18. I debunk this story on a new thread:
The Field misread the LA TImes paragraph.

Check it out: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5193545

AND STOP RECOMMENDING THIS THREAD, IT IS NOT CONFIRMED OR EVEN APPARENTLY TRUE.

And I'm a well known Obama supporter here.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:21 PM
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2. rut-roh...
PAC money to be used in the GE (not in primaries)...

so much for the $35M month. I aways thought that was "fishy" after she almost went broke in January.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:26 PM
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4. The media was claiming she has sooo much grass-roots support that "came to her aid" when she
announced she needed help, and that they just weren't aware that she NEEDED any money. Yeah, right. As if her campaign wasn't constantly sending out emails asking for donations...
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:32 PM
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13. Right. Just like the Right Wing "Freedom's Watch" is a grassroots organization
The word is astroturf.

Hillary's big donors ponied-up a bunch more cash, even though they'd already maxed-out for the primaries, so that she could put up some big February numbers. This means, then, that these donors may have already maxed-out for the general election, so Hillary Clinton has a smaller GE donor potential, relative to Obama.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:22 PM
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3. How is that creative math? Her Senate total has always been included as should her loan.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:27 PM
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7. She and her campaign claimed they were raising $1 million a day in Feb.
:eyes:
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:29 PM
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10. Raising... Transfering between books. Same thing, right?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:09 PM
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26. No it doesn't the author fucked up and you bought hook line & sinker
Update and Correction: The story below - based on my misreading of the linked LA Times story - is incorrect: The $10 million from the Clinton US Senate committee came in 2007, and the $5 million loan was in the January, not February, FEC report. The Field regrets the error

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=926
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:10 PM
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28. We'll know soon enough. The author has admited botching this story
Update and Correction: The story below - based on my misreading of the linked LA Times story - is incorrect: The $10 million from the Clinton US Senate committee came in 2007, and the $5 million loan was in the January, not February, FEC report. The Field regrets the error

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=926
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:28 PM
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9. It's creative because...
...she claims to have had a fundraising windfall in february. Money from her senate campaign, and money she lent to herself, are fundamentally not the same thing as donations from third parties. That money says nothing in terms of her fundraising last month.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:08 PM
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25. Actually the only creation was the blogger and their poor reading comprehension
Update and Correction: The story below - based on my misreading of the linked LA Times story - is incorrect: The $10 million from the Clinton US Senate committee came in 2007, and the $5 million loan was in the January, not February, FEC report. The Field regrets the error.

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=926
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:34 PM
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15. did she raise 35 million in February? No, she already had half of it.
It is fuzzy math when you portray cash on hand as new donations.

Do you never find yourself the slightest bit disappointed in how sleazy your chosen candidate is?
The Truth has no bearing on her campaign, only perceptions.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:56 PM
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22. You are correct, The Field made a mistake.
Oh -- and Gobama!
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:26 PM
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6. More Clinton spin and obfuscation n/t
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sloppyjoe25s Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:31 PM
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11. Wow!!! This is Stunning!!
Far out...

I really thought she had raised that money for the primary in Feb! Holy Smokes!

This is a much much much lower number for real primary money for Feb!

WOW - CLINTON IS QUITE A SCAM ARTIST! I WAS FOOLED!

I wish this had come out earlier!!
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:31 PM
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12. Classic Clinton...
Say anything do anything behavior. Its a shame to see the truth is one of the casualties of her primary campaign - I used to repsect the Clintons but not any more.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:33 PM
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14. This is actually stunning news
I assumed that they were continuing the campaign because they were making money for their warchest.

Now why in the hell are they continuing??
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:42 PM
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17. Big PR stunt. With no truth behind it. Let's see if the media reports it.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:40 PM
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16.  "raised $16 Million Less in February than It Claimed"
why am I not surprised?
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:52 PM
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19. So now is everyone on this thread going to be adult enough to say they were wrong?
or just move on to the next lie?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:39 PM
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24. lol interestingly snarky way to express it. I have already gone on the other
thread thanking them for clearing it up. Being inadvertantly misinformed is not anything anybody has to admit to. Glad it got cleared up.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:13 PM
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30. Yup that's me - wrong on this one- my bad n.t.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:53 PM
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21. Apparently this was a reporter's error. See this thread:
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:10 PM
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27. FYI this is total bullshit
I can't believe that site hasn't corrected itself yet. Maybe they'll fix it after 24 business hours.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:11 PM
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29. The site has made the correction, the OP has likely passed their editing time
Update and Correction: The story below - based on my misreading of the linked LA Times story - is incorrect: The $10 million from the Clinton US Senate committee came in 2007, and the $5 million loan was in the January, not February, FEC report. The Field regrets the error.

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=926
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