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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:44 PM
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MEMO: Obama Campaign: Just Words
GO HILLARY!! :applause:

Press Release

3/21/2008

MEMO: Obama Campaign: Just Words

To: Interested Parties
From: The Clinton Campaign
Date: March 21, 2008
RE: Obama Campaign: Just Words

At this point, it’s no secret that the Obama campaign is in political hot water given the news stories of the last few weeks and is desperate to change the subject.

The ground is shifting away from them and their response?

First, disenfranchise voters - Prevent new votes in Florida and Michigan. Stop voting in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Oregon, West Virginia, Puerto Rico, Kentucky, South Dakota, Montana, West Virginia and Indiana.

Second, peddle photos of President Clinton shaking hands with Reverend Wright less than 48 hours after calling for a high-minded conversation on race. Well, President Clinton took tens of thousands of photos during his eight years as president. Stop the presses.

Third, accuse our campaign of having something to do with Senator Obama’s passport file being breached, a reckless charge that has zero merit.

Fourth, continue attacks on Senator Clinton’s character in an effort to implement what the Chicago Tribune called a full assault on her ethics.

Fifth, stonewall the press: no tax returns, no state records, no answers about the inconsistencies in the Rezko story.

So it’s not a pretty sight - it’s all part of a pattern of just words.Senator Obama talks about voter participation while actively disenfranchising millions.

He calls for high minded debates while practicing lowdown politics.He promises a different kind of campaign while attacking Hillary’s character.

He promises transparency while hiding basic info and stonewalling the press.It’s no wonder that Americans are coming to see that for all of his lofty rhetoric, Senator Obama’s candidacy is really just words.

It’s no surprise that Americans are expressing serious doubts about his ability to answer the 3am call.It’s no wonder that top journalists are calling the Obama campaign desperate, saying that it’s amateur hour in Chicago.


http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6663


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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:45 PM
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1. D E S P E R A T E
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 12:46 PM by loveangelc
Hillary Clinton + 'desperate' = synonyms
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #1
28. Yup - BO's looking pretty desperate now.
nt
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #28
59. hahaha by getting Bill Richardson's endorsement?
by having a 90% chance of winning the nomination by Hillary's own advisors. Oh, so desperate!!!!!

poor you.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #59
69. He's tanking in the polls. nt
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WVRevy Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #69
76. He may be "tanking in the polls"
But he's kicking her ass in every way that actually MATTERS.

Hillary can not win. Period.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #69
78. Who gives a crap about polls??
They are about as fickle as all get-out. Up down up down up down and almost always within the margin of error. Poll results are the last refuge of the substantially defeated.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #69
87. Obama doesn't yet know tanking...
like Hillary knows tanking. Isn't that so, DB DB?
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #69
90. Gallup gap now insignificant = tanking?
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:46 PM
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2. Wow nice to see her come up with such an original and un-beaten to death phrase
that never worked for her before, but this time I am sure it will. :rofl:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:46 PM
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3. Rezko, disenfranchisement. lol
:rofl:
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #3
12. He just spent 90 minutes with reporters discussing Rezko
There's no "there" there ...
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #12
52. Did you notice that he revised his story from the last time?
Each time he speaks of the Rezko situation (also the Wright situation), he gives a little more information that he knows is about to hit the news, just like he did with the NAFTA situation.

Even though his supporters here think they explain it all away, in the real world they take notice of his ever shifting positions.

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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #52
68. Kind of like other politicians who take their time telling the whole story ...
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 04:26 PM by LSparkle
Part I of WH records document dump accomplished. Maybe we'll get more in the next
few weeks ... followed by tax returns (MAYBE) ...

The only difference that's been noted is that Rezko ended up giving him $100K more
than he'd previously acknowledged. Even a total of $250K isn't even close to what
the Asian guy currently in prison raised for HRC (Norman Hsu or whatever his name
is, who donated $800K+ to her campaign).
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:47 PM
Response to Original message
4. Um, ANY CAMPAIGN: Just Words
I'm just saying.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #4
57. Thank you
People, it's just lame. What's he supposed to do, rescue a baby from a burning building? it's ALL words at this point, for both of them.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:47 PM
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5. More slime. You must be very proud!
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:48 PM
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6. Hillary's campaign is in it's death throes, it's an ugly sight to see
The kitchen sink is used up, now comes the garbage disposal.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #6
30. LOL. Like Cheney's meaning of 'death throes', right?
nt
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #30
88. No, like the true definition of "death throes" - no lies here.
Bibbity, bobbity, BOO!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:49 PM
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7. blah blah blah blah... blahblah.. white noise, signifying nothing. Its over, Hillary.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #7
40. 'It's over, Hillary.' BO supporters have been saying that since....
...ehrm...Iowa. LOL. Sorry to disappoint you. Again.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:49 PM
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8. I don't think desperate is the word... pissed is more like it... and i dont blame her one bit.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. Does that justify the blatant lies in that memo?
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #15
72. . . .

:rofl:
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:52 PM
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9. Go Hillary?
:puke::puke::puke::puke:

You ought to be ashamed of your candidate. What despicable mudslinging.
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:53 PM
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10. this part of it is a bold-faced lie:
"Fifth, stonewall the press: no tax returns, no state records, no answers about the inconsistencies in the Rezko story."

Uhm... sitting down with the Tribune & Sun-Times last Friday, in that well-covered interview, he answered every single question asked, so say the papers themselves. WTF, does she think we live in a vacuum and FORGOT that?

I've never seen it mentioned that Obama's returns weren't released - I've read that they were. But hers, on the other hand... the outrageous audacity of desperation. Good grief.

Now his state records, while in the legislature? I have no idea, never heard any commentators mention it, whether the story was pro or against him.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #10
17. Obama said at first he had
his state records then he
said he lost/missplaced/threw
out his state records.
The tax paper he released was
a one page summary, not his whole
tax return.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #17
26. Care to retract that lie?
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/files/obama_2006_tax_return.pdf

That link is to Obama's tax returns. All 26 pages of them.

Here is an article from A YEAR AGO, that provides details: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-070416obama-tax,0,445005.story

Well?
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #26
46. Did you even read the article you linked to? LOL
Obama released only Form 1040 from his tax return and not underlying attachments which provide detail about income and spending. But a summary released by his campaign said Obama earned $157,082 in Senate salary and his wife earned $273,618 from the University of Chicago Hospitals where she works as an administrator. Michelle Obama also earned $51,200 in fees from her work on the board of directors of Westchester-based Treehouse Foods, a wholesaler of pickles and other specialty food products.

She was appointed to the Treehouse board in 2005, just after Obama entered the Senate.

The Obamas gave $60,307 to charity. The largest gift was $22,500 to Trinity United Church of Christ, the South Side congregation they have long attended. Another $13,107 went to the Congressional Black Caucus, with $15,000 directed to CARE, an international aid organization that fights hunger, poverty and disease in the third world. They also gave $5,000 to the Muntu Dance Theater, a south side troupe that performs contemporary and ancient African dances.

The Obamas, who have two young daughters, also paid $1,000 in household employment taxes, the campaign said.


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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #46
50. Are you high?
You: "The tax paper he released was a one page summary, not his whole tax return."

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/files/obama_2006_tax_return.pdf
This includes Form 1040, Form 2210, Schedule A and B, Schedule C, Schedule D, Long Schedule SE, Form 2241, Schedule H, and all associated worksheets. 23 freaking pages.

What, exactly, was left out?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #50
82. aaaannnnndddd ----------------------> *CRICKETS*
You have to give them credit, they learned to lie from the best.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #82
83. Yep, cue the Simon and Garfunkle
:rofl:
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #17
61. He probably did an Ollie North on them.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #61
75. Excuse me?
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/files/obama_2006_tax_return.pdf

23 Pages worth of tax returns. Where are Hillary's? :shrug:
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:55 PM
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11. .
"It’s no surprise that Americans are expressing serious doubts about his ability to answer the 3am call.It’s no wonder that top journalists are calling the Obama campaign desperate, saying that it’s amateur hour in Chicago."

Nope,Hillary,no surprise at all.Say it Loud Say it Proud,MADAM PRESIDENT. :toast:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:07 PM
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13. She dares to mention TAX returns.. that's rich :)
:rofl:

or is this from the Onion :)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #13
29. Where are BO's?? he has only released one year.
Fifth, stonewall the press: no tax returns, no state records,
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:10 PM
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14. I thought for a while that Hillary's campaign might not go down in a burning wreck....
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 01:11 PM by Drachasor
Clearly I was wrong. My apologies.

Edit: Before I posted I did check to see if that link really took you to Hillary's website and the memo. It really does. Shocking.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:11 PM
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16. K&R.
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:17 PM
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18. Dang - is there anything truthful in this release? I know I've been busy
in my real life, but I'm not seeing anything from Obama about

1. Disenfranchisement
2. Race, in regards to the Rev. Wright photo - that is about hypocrisy.
3. Did the Obama campaign accuse the Clinton campaign about anything regarding the breach at State? I saw no screaming headlines about that.
4. Ethics - that might be true, but considering one of the major themes of his campaign has been about ethics and transparency in government, I have no problem with him talking about her ethics, when she's proven to have made "misstatements" about quite a few things. (like this memo they've just released)
5. This one is a pure, outright lie. See #4.

And who are these top journalists of which they speak?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:19 PM
Response to Original message
19. k/r
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:19 PM
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20. I guess it's no surprise that coprophagists salivate at the fresh monkey feces flung by the Clinton
... campaign. Mark Penn seems to be a very experienced feces-flinger - 35 years of experience?
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #20
35. Uhm, why would coprophagists salivate at what they're allegedly throwing at others?
They're not the ones *eating* it.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #35
51. It's feeding time for the "base."
:shrug:
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:44 PM
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21. She should have mentioned that he hates grandmothers
and typical white people.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. especially typically white FEMALE grandmothers
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #25
60. Don't spread lies. He only hates his own grandmother.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #60
66. But didn't he say she was a typical white person?

I sure would like to hear her side of the story. Wonder why the Obama campaign will not make her available?

The obamatons say she's a frail old lady but she's only 82 and I know at least a dozen women who are very active in their late eighties and early nineties, so
I'm not buying that she's a frail old lady and, by implication, senile, without
some evidence.

He threw her under the bus to save his ass, while sucking up to the racist Wright man. She deserves a chance to have her say.

Free speech for "Toot" !!!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:50 PM
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22. snicker. the hilly campaign has actuallyt crossed the line into
comedy. tax returns? too funny. poor hillypoo. she's done. stick a fork in that woman's lame campaign.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #22
34. When will BO release his tax returns? he has released one year.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #34
45. and hilly has released NO YEARS. AS IN NONE. ZERO
nice that you're so well trained though as to take your candidate's lying ass cues.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #45
53. you are so Rovian. changing the subject
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:58 PM
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23. a very happy kick and recommend for you
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:04 PM
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24. Clinton's 2012 Strategy.
Weaken Obama so he cannot win the GE, so she can be the presumptive nominee in 2012.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #24
62. She'll be running as incumbent in 2012.
We'll all be in much better spirits.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #62
77. Its not even remotely possible.
She can't win the democratic nomination (mathematically eliminated)

even if she could over turn the will of the voters and be installed in bush like fashion to the democratic nominee...

She can't beat McCain in a general election. Hell, having her on a ticket puts CA into play.

So her only hope is to sink Obama's ship and go for 2012, which is what she is clearly doing.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:10 PM
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27. K and R
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:13 PM
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31. Way To Spin Clinton
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 02:20 PM by SunsetDreams
Obama Camp Memo on Clinton “Misleading” Voters

TO: Interested Parties
FR: Obama Campaign
RE: A history of misleading voters
DA: March 20, 2008
______________________________________________________________________________

Senator Clinton likes to claim that she’s been vetted. But there is a salient theme emerging that has not been examined at all in this race: Senator Clinton has consistently made political calculations to deliberately mislead the American people and the voters have noticed. A new Gallup poll <http://www.gallup.com/poll/105097/Perceived-Honesty-Gap... > shows a staggering figure: far fewer Americans think Clinton is trustworthy than think she isn’t, by a margin 44-53 percent. And in the exit polling <http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Damage.html > from the most recent primary, Clinton was viewed as honest and trustworthy by only 52 percent of Democratic voters.

For too long, the media has failed to live up to its historic obligation of holding candidates accountable for their contradictions on the campaign trail, and it’s time that Senator Clinton be questioned aggressively about this pattern of misleading voters.

A general election liability

Honesty is a crucial metric in this race because the Democratic nominee is going to be running against John McCain, who is viewed by voters as one of the most trustworthy politicians in America. In the same Gallup poll, McCain scored 67-27 on honesty (with Obama’s honesty rating at 63-29). After eight years of an untrustworthy President, can we really expect that a candidate who is viewed as so much more dishonest than McCain will somehow be able to beat him?

A history of misleading voters

Senator Clinton’s newly released White House schedules—showing a lack of candor on her NAFTA Record, her role in passing FMLA, and her role in key foreign policy decisions—are just the latest in what has become a legacy of misleading voters. On issue after issue, Clinton says one thing while her record says another.

Her Iraq vote. Clinton says she voted for diplomacy, while on the Senate floor at the time she said she was casting a “vote that might lead to war” and doing it “with conviction.”

Foreign Policy Experience. Clinton claims that she’s been “tested” on foreign policy and that she’s experienced in handling foreign crises. But her White House records show that she was consistently absent when critical decisions were being made, and that her trips abroad were largely ceremonial.

The Michigan and Florida primaries. Back when it suited her political purposes she said the Michigan primary “didn’t count for anything” and that she wasn’t leaving her name on the ballot to try to legitimize the results. But now that she desperately needs more votes, she’s doing just that. And despite her pledge not campaign in either state, she held two campaign events in Florida.

Fully vetted. Clinton openly tells voters that she’s been fully “vetted,” choosing to obscure from them the fact that she won’t release her tax returns, earmark requests, or the donors to the Clinton library.

Her position on NAFTA. Clinton tells Ohio voters that she has “been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning.” Yet her own schedules show that as First Lady she attended at least four meetings to advocate for its original passage.

Her role in passing the Family and Medical Leave Act. Clinton credits herself with “helping to pass” the Family and Medical Leave Act as First Lady. But the 11,000 pages of schedules don’t contain a single mention of her involvement in the issue.

Obama’s religion. In a “60 Minutes” interview, Senator Clinton refused to confirm that Senator Obama is a Christian, even though she knows the facts.

Reverend Wright. Even though it has been reported yesterday that Clinton is pushing Senator Obama’s association with Reverend Wright in attempt to rattle superdelegates, Clinton refused to give a straight answer. She would only say that their campaign “has been making the case that I am the most electable” before shrugging and prompting the next question.

35 Years in Public Service. The oft-repeated Clinton claim that she has 35 years of public service experience is simply false. Fifteen of those years were spent at a law practice.

Lingering questions

It’s time for Hillary Clinton to explain these inconsistencies—and to put an end to the dishonesty. As she campaigns in working-class areas of Pennsylvania, will she finally admit to workers that she was one of the chief proponents of NAFTA? Will she admit to even a basic understanding of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002? Will she drop FMLA from her list of accomplishments?

And if she won’t, will the press call her on it?

IRAQ?

Washington Post Fact Checker Debunks Clinton Claim That She Voted Against Limiting The President’s Authority To Attack Iraq Because She Didn’t Want To Give The U.N. Veto Authority. Clinton, on why she voted against three other important votes during that time period to limit the President’s authority to attack Iraq said “Well, I also voted, Tim, to limit the president’s authority to a year. That was another one of Senator Byrd’s amendments which I strongly supported. It was not successful. I have seen, obviously now, what has occurred by this president’s use of the authority that he was given, and I regret the way that he used authority. But I think it’s important to recognize that the United Nations is a very important tool in international diplomacy, in peacekeeping to bring the world together. But I do not want to give the United Nations a veto over actions taken by any president.” Washington Post fact checker: “There are arguments on both sides about whether the Levin amendment ceded authority to the United Nations. But Clinton is also going too far when she claims that passage of the amendment would have had the effect of subordinating ‘whatever our judgment might be going forward to the United Nations Security Council.’ There was always an escape clause.” <“Meet the Press,” 9/23/07 <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20941413/print/1/displaymod... > ; Washington Post, 2/1/08 <http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/cli... > >

FAMILY AND MEDICAL LEAVE ACT?

There Are No Mentions Of The Family And Medical Leave Act On Clinton’s Schedule Before Bill Signing It Into Law Even Though She Gives Herself Credit For “Helping To Pass” The Bill. “One notable absence in the 11,000 pages of the former First Lady’s schedule from the National Archives released today — any mention on her schedules of the Family and Medical Leave Act before her husband signed the bill into law. That’s interesting, because in speeches and on her website, the Clinton campaign repeatedly gives Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, credit for “helping to pass” the Family and Medical Leave Act.” http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/family-... > >

NAFTA?

Clinton Claimed That She Was A Critic Of NAFTA From The Beginning, But Clinton’s Schedules Show That On NAFTA She “Promoted Its Passage” And She Supported NAFTA In 2003. “Clinton now argues that the North American Free Trade Agreement needs to be renegotiated, but newly released records showed on Wednesday she promoted its passage.” Clinton, at the Cleveland debate, said “You know, I have been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning. I didn’t have a public position on it because I was part of the (Clinton) administration. But when I started running for the Senate, I have been a critic.” In her memoir, Clinton wrote: “Creating a free trade zone in North America—the largest free trade zone in the world—would expand U.S. exports, create jobs and ensure that our economy was reaping the benefits, not the burdens, of globalization. Although unpopular with labor unions, expanding trade opportunities was an important administration goal. The question was whether the White House could focus its energies on two legislative campaigns at once . I argued that we could and that postponing health care would further weaken its chances.” http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN193341... > ; AP, 2/26/08 <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080227/ap_on_el_pr/democra... > ; Living History, 182>

COMPLIANCE WITH PARTY RULES?

Clinton Campaigned In Florida And Held Two Events After Signing A Pledge Not To Campaign In Florida. “Hundreds of thousands of people have already voted in Florida and I want them to know I will be there to be part of what they have tried to do to make sure their voices are heard,” said Clinton before jetting to Sarasota and Miami for events on Sunday. The Clinton campaign claims that the senator from New York is abiding by the no-campaigning pledge because Sunday’s two Florida events were technically closed to the public. But the stops were treated as major news events in a state where many Democrats have expressed anger over the absence of the party’s presidential candidates during a period when Florida is overrun by Republican contenders. The truth of the Clinton strategy was writ large in a memo from top strategist Howard Wolfson, who announced on the day of the campaign’s dismal showing in South Carolina that, “Regardless of today’s outcome, the race quickly shifts to Florida, where hundreds of thousands of Democrats will turn out to vote on Tuesday. Despite efforts by the Obama campaign to ignore Floridians, their voices will be heard loud and clear across the country, as the last state to vote before Super Tuesday on February 5.” Her arrival is Sarasota was timed so that she could be photographed with palm trees behind her. “It is a perfect day here in Florida,” declared a bemused candidate who officially was not campaigning in Florida as she posed for the classic Florida campaign photo. http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080128/cm_thenation... > >

Clinton Said Michigan Results Were Fair And Should Be Honored—After Saying It Was Clear That The Michigan Primary Did Not Count For Anything. In March, Clinton Said The Results Of The Michigan Primary Were “Fair And They Should Be Honored.” “Sen. Hillary Clinton on Wednesday warned that millions of people in Florida and Michigan ‘are in danger of being excluded from our democratic process’ if their votes are not counted. … ‘The results of those primaries were fair and they should be honored,’ Clinton told a breakfast gathering hosted by the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce Foundation in Washington.” In October, Clinton said “Well, you know, people in Michigan are flat on their backs. They have the highest unemployment rate in America. They are now grappling finally with what they are going to do with the auto industry. 1 in 10 jobs in America is tied to the auto industry which is – the American auto industry, which as we know is centered in Michigan. You know, it’s clear this election they’re having isn’t going to count for anything. But I just personally didn’t want to set up a situation where the Republicans are going to be campaigning between now and whenever. And then after the nomination we have to go in and repair the damage and be ready to win Michigan in November 2008.”

FOREIGN POLICY?

FactCheck.org: “The Public Record Of Her Actions Shows That Many Of Clinton’s Foreign Policy Claims Are Exaggerated.” “On March 6 Hillary Clinton claimed that, unlike Barack Obama, she and likely Republican nominee John McCain have ‘cross the commander-in-chief threshold.’ In a CNN interview the day before, Clinton had listed five foreign policy accomplishments. We can’t determine how much behind-the-scenes work Clinton did while first lady, and she certainly took an active interest in foreign policy when her husband was president. Moreover, her time as first lady plus her longer Senate career do give Clinton more foreign policy experience than Obama. But the public record of her actions shows that many of Clinton’s foreign policy claims are exaggerated.” http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/hillarys_advent... > >

FOREIGN TRIPS: Clinton’s “Sanitized, Ceremonial Trips Abroad” Were “Hardly Preparation” For Foreign Policy Duties Of Presidency. Hillary Clinton highlights her “extensive travel to more than 80 countries as First Lady and her 1995 women’s rights speech to the U.N. to demonstrate of her foreign policy experience. “But these sanitized, ceremonial trips abroad are hardly preparation for the middle-of-the-night call from the Situation Room.” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20010704/site/newsweek/ > , 8/6/07>

NORTHERN IRELAND: Irish Policymakers, Fact Checkers Debunk Clinton’s Exaggerations. FactCheck.org: Clinton’s activities ‘helped bring peace to Northern Ireland.’ Irish officials are divided as to how helpful Clinton’s actions were, and key players agree that she was not directly involved in any actual negotiations.” Politifact.com: “Clinton claimed that she ‘helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland.’ That’s the kind of thing that Mitchell, Hume or Trimble could accurately say. But based on our interviews and research, it’s a stretch for Clinton to say so. Although she played a role, especially with women in Northern Ireland, her statement leaves the impression that she was more involved than she was. We find her statement to be Half True.” “The road to peace was carefully documented, and she wasn’t on it,” says Brian Feeney, an author and former leading Belfast politician. “Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a ‘wee bit silly’ for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province. Washington Post fact checker: “Hillary is making a lot more of her Northern Ireland role on the campaign trail than she did in her memoir “Living History.” <…> her stories of bringing Protestant and Catholic women together have become more dramatic with each retelling. The claim that she brought Catholics and Protestants together “for the first time” seems dubious. This would not be the first time that she has mixed up her chronology.” http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/01/cli... > , 1/10/08; AP, 3/8/08 <http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CLINTONS_EXPERIE... > > http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/392/ > ; FactCheck.org, 3/13/08 <http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/hillarys_advent... > ; Telegraph, 3/8/08 <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/20... > >

KOSOVO: Washington Post, On Clinton’s Role In Kosovo: “The Record shows That Took An Intelligent Interest In All These Issues, Addressing Conferences And Meeting With Victims Of War, But Did Not Get Involved In Diplomatic Negotiations In An Meaningful Way. Her Role Was More Symbolic Than Substantive.” The Clinton campaign has provided various news clips to support Hillary Clinton’s claim during last night’s debate about “negotiating with governments like Macedonia to open their border again, to let Kosovar refugees in.” The news articles make clear that Clinton visited Albanian refugee camps in Macedonia on May 14, 1999, during the NATO bombing war against Serbia. Macedonia had closed its borders the previous week, in order to stem the flow of Albanian refugees from Kosovo. The Macedonian government reopened the border on May 13, the day before Clinton toured the camps. According to this CNN report, only a few stragglers crossed the border. Clearly, Clinton’s visit to Macedonia helped focus even more international attention on the country and the refugee crisis that resulted from the forced expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Albanians from Kosovo by the Serbian authorities. According to a May 16 Chicago Tribune report cited by the Clinton campaign, Clinton announced the “release of the first $ 2 million in a $ 21 million economic development package for Macedonia” at a meeting with Macedonian government leaders. The question is whether Clinton personally negotiated the deal with the Macedonian government–or U.S. diplomats used her forthcoming visit as an additional incentive to persuade the Macedonian authorities to re-open the border. The sequence of events–first the border reopening, followed by Clinton’s visit to the camps and her meeting with Macedonian government leaders–points to the second scenario…Her role was more symbolic than substantive. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/01/dem... > >

RWANDA: NY Times Rebuts Bill And Hillary Clinton’s Claims That Hillary Clinton Asserted Herself On Rwanda. During a brief question and answer period with the audience , the former president was asked about times during his presidency in which the Clinton’s disagreed and which he now acknowledges she was right. One instance, he said, was in not moving quickly to send U.S. troops to fight the genocide in Rwanda in 1994. ‘I think she would have clearly done that,’ he said, noting at the time he had concerns about military activities in Bosnia and that no one knew how bad the situation in Rwanda would turn out to be.” On This Week, George Stephanopoulos asked Hillary Clinton if she had urged Bill Clinton to intervene in Rwanda and she agreed with her husband’s remarks. The New York Times reported, “During those two terms in the White House, Mrs. Clinton did not hold a security clearance. She did not attend National Security Council meetings. She was not given a copy of the president’s daily intelligence briefing. She did not assert herself on the crises in Somalia, Haiti and Rwanda.” http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/us/politics/26clinton... > , 12/26/07> http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007... > , 12/10/07; ABC, This Week, 12/30/07>

FULLY VETTED?

Clinton Claims To Be Fully Vetted But Does Not Release Tax Returns And Cites Presidential Privilege On Information Related To Her White House Years, Drawing Criticism Even From Allies. Clinton’s “gates-drawn stance raised concerns that shadow her presidential bid today — that she reacts with a siege mentality under pressure, retreating behind a restrictive wall of presidential and attorney privilege. ‘There’s no question that her first instinct was to protect herself and the president,’ said former Clinton chief of staff Leon E. Panetta.” Roger Simon wrote, “Take the matter of her tax returns. Obama has released his, and Clinton won’t release hers, she says, until after she is the Democratic nominee. Why? She gives no reason. She says she files an ethics statement with the Senate, which is true, but so does Obama, and yet he also has released his tax returns. Clinton refuses to do so until after the Democratic convention. Does this make sense to anybody? If she is going to do it eventually, why not do it now, while Democrats are still voting on her? Keeping the returns secret just raises doubts and suspicions and kicks a hole in the case that she has been fully vetted.” The New York Times editorial board wrote, “Of the leading contenders, so far, only Senator Barack Obama has released his full income-tax returns — a level of disclosure once routine for candidates after the political corruption of Watergate. Release of the tax returns should not be made conditional on winning the nomination, as Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has made it.” http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-hillarydecis... > ; Politico <http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=155F8D92-30... > , 12/14/08; Editorial, NYT, 2/15/08 <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/15/opinion/15fri1.html?r... > >

Hillary Clinton Won’t Release Her Earmark Requests, Says She’s Proud Of The Pork She’s Secured For New York. “Hillary Clinton, by contrast, often seems to operate by the maxim that silence is golden. When asked whether she would release a list of her earmarks, her spokesman dodged the question, while declaring that she is ‘proud of the investments in New York that she has secured.’ But for now, at least, not proud enough to let voters know what they are. This exercise in secrecy is part of a Clinton pattern that grows more worrisome all the time.” http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/c... > >

15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE?

Clinton Claims Of 35 Years Of Experience Omit 15 Years At Rose Law Firm, Repeatedly Emphasize Mere One Year At Children’s Defense Fund. “She routinely tells voters that she’s “been working to bring positive change to people’s lives for 35 years.” She told a voter in New Hampshire: “I’ve spent so much of my life in the nonprofit sector.” Speaking in South Carolina, Bill Clinton said his wife “could have taken a job with a firm … Instead she went to work with Marian Wright Edelman at the Children’s Defense Fund.” The overall portrait is of a lifelong, selfless do-gooder. The whole story is more complicated — and less flattering. Clinton worked at the Children’s Defense Fund for less than a year, and that’s the only full-time job in the nonprofit sector she’s ever had. She also worked briefly as a law professor. Clinton spent the bulk of her career — 15 of those 35 years — at one of Arkansas’ most prestigious corporate law firms, where she represented big companies and served on corporate boards. Neither she nor her surrogates, however, ever mention that on the campaign trail. Her campaign Web site biography devotes six paragraphs to her pro bono legal work for the poor but sums up the bulk of her experience in one sentence: “She also continued her legal career as a partner in a law firm.” http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/26377.html > , 2/3/08>

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:39 PM
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54. Hillary has to smack down the LIES coming from the BO camp.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:13 PM
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32. K & R! nt
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:14 PM
Original message
Don't worry. She will very shortly be GOing, GOing, GONE!
And we will finally get down to going after McCain full-time.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:16 PM
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37. LOL. Fight ain't over yet, y'know. Don't count your chickens, etc.
Which the BO supporters have been doing ever since Iowa.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:14 PM
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33. Delusional.
So off-the-record, an important Clinton advisor told Politico that she has a 10% chance of winning the nomination, but the ground is shifting away from Obama?

This is so tacky and delusional, you'd think George Bush wrote it.

The only explanation for a Memo like this is to keep the few remaining Clinton supporters hanging by a thread, so they can suck them dry financially. Seriously. Think about it.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:19 PM
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39. Who's really delusional? Seen BO's tanking poll numbers lately?
nt
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:24 PM
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47. Congrats.



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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:26 PM
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48. oh snap libbygurl
LOL
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:31 PM
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49. See, it's working on you.
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 02:32 PM by VolcanoJen
I don't want to be the one to have to break this to you, but I would like to at least help prevent some of you from sending a sinking campaign any more of your hard-earned money that they will only use to retire their debt.

Reports of Clinton's Demise Have Been Greatly Underexaggerated

Is this what a "tank" looks like to you?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:17 PM
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65. "Delusional"--name -calling?--tsk tsk.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:24 PM
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67. You're right.
I'm calling Mark Penn and Howard Wolfson and whoever else had a hand in authoring this laughable document "delusional."

Sorry if it bugs you, but save your "tsk tsk" for posters who attack other DUers. Penn and Wolfson are D E L U S I O N A L.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:16 PM
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36. Dear god Hillary, what's wrong with you?
Is there anything truthful in this press release?
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:18 PM
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38. no but there is in the one I posted from Obama above lol
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:21 PM
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41. Hillary should fire whoever wrote this shit.
Because it doesn't even appeal to any hope for Hillary's campaign.

Hillary's new campaign slogan - "Give up hope."

Gawd, that's a lame attitude to have.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:22 PM
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42. You forgot one word. Away. As in, GO AWAY HILLARY. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:40 PM
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56. ha ha--you folks been HOPING that for months. te he.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:08 PM
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63. They've been demanding it, not just hoping. It's the only way Bama can win.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:22 PM
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43. K&R
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:23 PM
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44. more than words, it takes nt
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:40 PM
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55. Typical desperate Clinton BS
I don't want that calculating corporatist liar anywhere near the WH.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:53 PM
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58. Let's have fun! Lets create our own bullshit MEMO

LET'S HAVE FUN!

Press Release

3/21/2008

MEMO: Clinton Campaign: Pretty Desperate

To: Interested Parties
From: HOPE
Date: March 21, 2008
RE: Clinton Campaign: Pretty Desperate

At this point, it’s no secret that the Clinton campaign is in political hot water given the fact that Bill Richardson, a former Clinton appointment and well respected member of the Democratic Party, has formally endorsed Senator Barack Obama. Governor Bill Richardson made clear that he believes Clinton is the past and Senator Barack Obama is the future. Senator Clinton campaign's false allegations clearly demonstrate a desperate attempt to change the subject on this historic day. Shame on her.

The ground is shifting away from them and their response?

First, send out a false memo citing making false allegations they know have no basis in reality.

Second, use a former Clinton supporter's relationship with Senator Barack Obama and the manufactured outrage to it to sway Super Delegates to her side because she can't win them on her own merits. Then, in an attempt to continue in race baiting the American public, she accuses the Obama campaign of desiring to abandon the "high-minded conversation" on race. Senator Clinton has never demonstrated a "high-minded" approach to issues regarding race this election season. We invite her to join us.

Third, accuse us of accusing Senator Clinton's campaign of having something to do with Senator Obama’s passport file being breached. This is a blatant lie and Senator Clinton should know better.

Fourth, whine about our campaign raising questions as to the ethics of Senator Clinton's campaign. Senator Clinton claims to be more "electable" come November, but she still resists full disclosure and transparency. What does she have to hide? For someone who claims to be so electable, her campaign must fear that whatever information she is fighting to hide must be of the kind to place whether or not she is electable in serious question.

Fifth, accuse the Obama campaign of stonewalling the press by not releasing tax returns, answering questions about Rezko, and releasing other records. Senator Clinton's campaign has slipped in the absurdity. Senator Obama is the only candidate thus far to release tax returns and his earmarks. Although Senator Clinton's first lady schedules have been released, it took years, a law suit, and a court order to get this accomplished. Even with all of that, Senator Clinton's schedules have been heavily redacted and we have yet to get her phone records. Again, we ask, what is she hiding? Senator Clinton has failed to release even a single tax return. We ask her to join us in our quest for full disclosure.

So it’s not a pretty sight - it’s all part of a pattern of desperation. Senator Clinton talks about being ready on day one, but she has yet to prove that she is ready to turn the page on old politics and petty divisiveness. We strongly encourage her to join us in our quest to turn that page.

She runs from high minded debates while practicing lowdown politics. She attacks Barack's character and promises more of the same.

She promises nothing, while stonewalling against transparency while hiding basic info and whining to the press. It’s no wonder that Americans are coming to see that for all of her "experience", "toughness", and "promises", Senator Clinton’s candidacy is really just more of the same.

It’s no surprise that Americans are expressing serious doubts about her ability to answer the 3am call. It’s no wonder that top journalists are calling the Clinton campaign desperate, saying that at the most critical hour in her campaign, it was amateur hour.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:08 PM
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64. Hee. You should put this as an OP.
:D
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:35 PM
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70. "You who are so good with words And at keeping things vague"

Sums up Obama, doesn't it?

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:39 PM
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73. More rust than diamonds lately.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:35 PM
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71. K&R!
BULLS-EYE! bravo!:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:

That's exactly what Obaba and his supporters are attempting...diversion...NOT going to work.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 04:43 PM
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74. Just words - I thought words were good.
Bill raked in $40,000,000 on words.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:03 PM
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79. Memo: Clinton Campaign: Just drop the %#@ out already! nt
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:06 PM
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80. You go grrrl! Tell it like it is!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 05:08 PM
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81. HOW on god's earth is he stopping voting in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Oregon,
West Virginia, Puerto Rico, Kentucky, South Dakota, Montana, West Virginia and Indiana?

How do they dream this stuff up?
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 06:37 PM
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84. HILLARY CLINTON IS CALLING SOMEONE OUT FOR NOT RELEASING TAX RETURNS???!?!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:52 PM
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86. her *****20**** years of disclosure to Obama's -1-
ONE year's tax returns disclosed so far by Obama. What's he hiding?
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:07 AM
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91. I don't care about 20 years ago - I want to know what's gone on with them lately.
What's she hiding?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:46 AM
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92. you have last years and will have all requested NEXT MONTH. Where will Obama's be then?

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On a week when 11,000 pages of Hillary's White House schedule were made available to the public, the Obama campaign is continuing to attack Hillary's transparency. At the same time, the Obama campaign has not released a single page of his state senate schedule or records. (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8STLEOG0&show_article=1&catnum=0 )

There are 20 years of Hillary's tax returns in the public record and she will release all of her post-White House returns next month. Sen. Obama has released one year of his tax returns to the public and refuses to release any other years. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/the-obama-tax-a.html )
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:50 PM
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85. kicking this
:kick:
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:57 PM
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89. snoring
:snore:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 12:46 AM
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93. sleep
sleep
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