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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:44 PM
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A gentle question, dear DUers... gently...
There is so much emotion here, so many reactions and over reactions.

A gentle question that has me pondering... IS there a generation difference in our various perspectives?

I see good people posting honest questions or comments, and these postings erupt into flame wars.

Are we coming at the same things from different experiences?

It's perfectly okay to disagree; it's perfectly okay to criticize one another's candidate. But to erupt in emotional baiting is painful to read.

I'm almost 60, grew up in Chicago, southside, and yes, I was formed by my experiences. But completely changed by the '60s. I do not want our nation to go back to those racial divides...

Can we talk about this without fear? Or am I just a hopeless optimist?

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:49 PM
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self deleted inadvertent duplicate
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 12:52 PM by stellanoir
this has been happening a lot lately.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:49 PM
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1. secondary self deleted inadvertent dupe.
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 12:53 PM by stellanoir
Yikes
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:51 PM
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2. I too am a hopeless optimist
often self described as delusional.

But I'm thinking the whole problem is more generational than sexist or racist.

We are simply the product of our experiences.

I posted this yesterday along those very same lines.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5173581&mesg_id=5173581

It didn't get much attention over all the cacophony accusatory blather.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:53 PM
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3. I'm a bit younger but remember the 60's. The history books lie n/t
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:56 PM
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4. Most of the outrage wouldn't be, if this weren't an election year.
There are lots of shit-stirrers here now who are looking for any excuse to antagonize the supporters of the opposition candidate. People are insulted, get hurt, and look for ways to lash back. I've pretty much given up having any rational discussion here for the rest of the year. It's sad. I miss DU.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:27 PM
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5. Late 50s ... my experiences
I grew up in the Midwest, in a racially diverse neighborhood (i.e., there were middle-class black neighborhoods adjacent to, and later mixed with, mine, and I went to school with some black kids, although, unlike my slightly younger brother's generation, we didn't mix so much). I grew up in a Reform Jewish temple whose rabbi was a strong advocate of civil rights: he marched next to Martin Luther King in Selma, and he returned to tell us his stories and the lessons. This went on for several years during the Civil Rights movement. I was an adolescent then. And I remember one time (in my mind, it was at a "Purim" party after Sunday school, but perhaps it's only the McCain reference to Purim that is making me recall that), when he told us nice middle and upper-middle class, assimilated, mostly second-generation Jewish kids something like this: we know the Jews suffered terrible discrimination as well; we know what that feels like. But there is one thing that is different for you that you don't know, and haven't experienced: your skin isn't black. You can always be looked at as a normal American if you act like a normal American. A black person, however, cannot change the color of his skin no matter how he acts. He will always be seen as black first. I've never forgotten that, And I especially remembered it lately, when I saw that no matter how light-skinned or educated or no matter what record, people were always going to be reminded that Barack Obama was actually a black man, and there were certain things you couldn't be sure of because of that.

I am a "typical" white woman, I suppose. I, too, sometimes (though not that often, to tell the truth) get nervous when a black man is behind me on the street. However, not if it's a black man in a business suit. And I sometimes get nervous when a white man wearing certain markers of class is behind me on the street. I'm a WOMAN. I bet a lot of black women feel that, too.

I've seen a lot of mistrust in certain segments of the Jewish community (here and in real life) for the Obama campaign, and that saddens me. I think Jews, like Hispanics, feel a great loyalty to Bill Clinton, as do I. And the really mean and bigoted things that Jesse Jackson and Farakhan (not really in the same league ... but I have to admit they both had their moments; one properly atoned, one didn't) have had a tremendously deleterious effect on Jews with respect to black race relations. But I've never felt they were wholly representative of the black community, and my experiences growing up during civil rights, especially the Jewish link to the civil rights movement, is my greatest tie to trying to live up to the potential for racial (and religious) equality in this country.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:37 PM
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6. I've wondered the same thing
I'm 57, so of your generation. Perhaps it is age. It would be interesting to know the age of some of those who are flaming others.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:41 PM
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7. I'm 30
The only democratic presidents I've had were Carter and Clinton. I've had a 2:1 ratio of republicans to democrats, most of them have been crooks, and I'm cynical about the whole process. :(
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:54 PM
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8. There's no weakness of youth that age and experience can't cure.
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 02:00 PM by TahitiNut
:evilgrin:

The common lament of youth is "Please! I'd rather make my OWN mistakes!" The more times change the more things stay the same.

Does EVERYONE learn? Of course not. It'd be just as invalid to claim that age and experience has made EVERY member of the older 'generation' a sage and wise person as it is to claim that we're all outdated bigots stuck in the past. The intellectual and moral corruption of commoditizing human beings infects those with the least antibodies ... particularly if not vaccinated.

Let me make one suggestion. It's clear that our attitudes toward the 'world' are formed by our EXPERIENCE in that 'world.' Each and every one of us participate in forming that EXPERIENCE for everyone else. Thus, each and every one of us CAN change the 'world' for others. Just. Do. It.

Stop reacting and start acting. Now. Smile. As you're about to pass that SCARY person, smile and fill your heart with love. It's visible. Believe me!

Stop.
Look.
Choose.

It can make all the difference.
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