Clinton Needs To Drop out and Focus on Keeping Her Seat in the Senate.

[Pisces]

She is in danger of losing all her political credibility. The African American community will not be voting for her next time around , nor will moderate dems that are so offended by her repugnant campaign tactics. I guess she can hope her new found repug friends will switch their affiliation to vote for her. Scary times for Hillary in the future. She gambled by disenfanchising the African American community, they will not soon forget the slight.

[maddiejoan]

1. Thanks for your concern

Real Democrats see past the bullshit though,

[JackintheGreen]

9. Glad to know I'm not a "real democrat"

I don't necessarily agree with the OP, but I'm no supporter of Sen. Clinton, either.

Still, it's good to know that my 10 years of union organizing, flawless democratic voting record, and three generations of progressive politics that have lost my grandfather, mother, and me all jobs (mostly for "trouble-making") are no match for my non-support of Sen. Clinton.

Good to know.


Yeesh...

[maddiejoan]

14. I didn't say you had to support Clinton

to be a real Democrat.

I said that a real Democrat would see past the bullshit of the OP.

If you don't --then I'd say you are not a real Democrat.

Support who you wish. Obama is a fine candidate --all of our Democratic candidates have been fine.

But the OP is a bullshit spew.

[JackintheGreen]

19. Alright, I'll accept that

don't know a thing about NY politics. I guess even my skin is getting rubbed too thin.

[DURHAM D]

2. Obama has a lot more to worry about in 2010 than she does. eom

[Pisces]

4. Not after his first successful term as Pres. He will be a shoe in for re-election

[olkaz]

8. That's ludicrous.

Illinois loves Obama, and he has massive in-state popularity.

But go ahead. Keep making things up. Something will stick.

[Nederland]

32. Psst. Obama won't have to run for re-election until 2012 (nt)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

3. you live in NY?

[Pisces]

5. No, just have family and friends and the sentiment is strong against her.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

7. well I do and you are dead wrong!

[gmudem]

30. I live in New York too

I don't know anyone that's a big fan of hers. I'm hoping a true liberal Democrat will step up in 2012 to try and get rid of her and her Rovian tactics.

[zabet]

6. If Clinton drops out and Obama is the nominee,

say hello to president McCain because
Obama gambled and disenfranchised the
White community. Which is a larger voting
populous than the African-American community.
I personally will vote the Dem ticket
regardless of the nominee but, many do
not feel that way.

[Lerkfish]

10. oh, I get it, its OPPOSITE DAY

here's what you really should say:

If Obama drops out and Clinton is the nominee,
say hello to president McCain because
Clinton gambled and disenfranchised the
Black community.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. That's Why They Need Each Other

~

[zabet]

16. No such thing.

What I posted makes as much
sense as the OP.
I thought the intelligence level
here was high enough to recognize
ironic juxtaposition. I was wrong.

[Lerkfish]

22. you insult MY intelligence?

LOL!

a pox upon your house!

[olkaz]

11. I love this framing.

"Give us our nominee or we'll take our white asses home!"

Doesn't work like that. And if disaffected Hillary folks blow it, then it was disaffected Hillary folks that were the problem. Not Obama.

[zabet]

17. Same as "give us our nominee or we'll take

our black asses home" like the OP
framed it, yet you have no problem
with that because it favors Obama.
Frame in O's favor = GOOD
Frame in H's favor = BAD
Got it, had to put on my O-shades and
drink some kool-aid but, no worries,
I got it now.

[Lerkfish]

23. "our black asses home"????

hey, the cleaners called, your sheets are ready.

:)

[zabet]

36. That good ol' racial double standard,

the OP can say white asses and it is
OK, I say black asses and you call me
a Klan member.

[Lerkfish]

39. you're lying, I don't read "white asses in the OP

[zabet]

40. OP of this subthread...duh

Do you have problems following
the thread? Maybe you need to
go back to PI where you hung out
when you were suspended from here
last time.
Sad thing is, I was one of your
bigger supporters over there under
a different user name than I use
here.

olkaz (540 posts) Fri Mar-21-08 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. I love this framing.
"Give us our nominee or we'll take our white asses home!"

Doesn't work like that. And if disaffected Hillary folks blow it, then it was disaffected Hillary folks that were the problem. Not Obama.

[olkaz]

33. I was actually referencing the polls

That have been going around saying that Clinton supporters are much less likely to support Obama than Obama supporters are to support Clinton in the general. It's almost 2 to 1. Obama supporters are the real Democratic party supporters.

But you do realize that you're just making things worse, right? The koolaid remarks aren't moving anybody to Clinton.

[zabet]

37. Making things worse?

Look around you...I, by far,
am not the first or the only
one. As far as that goes, being
that the Obama supporters outnumber
the Hillary supporters here by a
margin of 4-5:1, you could say that
by default, more Obama supporters
are the ones making things worse.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

34. THAT'S A BUCKET OF TURTH!

[Arkana]

12. Could we please stop posting these threads?

I'd rather concentrate on strengthening Obama than tearing down Hillary--the stronger he is the easier a time he will have on the two-front battle he's fighting right now.

[KansasVoter]

15. Ready to Lead on Day One....Just not ready to campaign on day One!!! LOL!

[Lucinda]

18. LOL

Get back to us after everyone has voted.

[billyoc]

20. Too late, she's history. nt

[dkf]

21. Does she have anyone running against her?

[Jim Lane]

27. The election isn't until 2012. Unsurprisingly, no opponents have yet declared.

Assuming she isn't President and runs for re-election to the Senate, I wouldn't be surprised if she had no significant Republican opposition. In 2006, when she had the advantage of only term's incumbency (and residency) here, the best they could do was a former Mayor of Yonkers, who not only admitted to an adulterous affair but had put his paramour on the city payroll.

The Republican Party in New York is having major problems. My guess is that the field of Republicans willing to take on Clinton will be even weaker than it was in 2006.

She might have more to worry about from the Democrats. If President McCain is still defending our ongoing occupation of Iraq as it enters its tenth year, and if Clinton is still going along with it, she will again face an antiwar opponent in the primary. In 2006 she won her primary easily against an antiwar union activist with no name recognition and virtually no money (). In 2012, if the war is continuing, she won't again get away with ignoring her opponent and refusing to debate.

Either way (Democratic primary or general election), the OP is wrong. Resentment of her 2008 campaign tactics will not be a significant factor in 2012.

[cooolandrew]

24. If she came out the race now in grace she just maysave her career but any later it's not so hopeful

[cooolandrew]

25. If she came out the race now in grace she just maysave her career but any later it's not so hopeful

[Megahurtz]

26. Kick.

[tinrobot]

28. She's got 4 years to do that.

That's several lifetimes in political years.

[Bluebear]

29. 'The African American community will not be voting for her next time around'- who are you,the Mayor

of this "community"? Do they all vote as one bloc?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

31. ROFLMAO!!!!!!

Oh, now THAT was funny!

:rofl:

[noiretextatique]

35. nonsense...clinton will continue to get votes from african-americans

why do people keep making such sweeping, ridiculous statements?

[cascadiance]

38. I wonder if she could run for NY governor instead...

Perhaps as part of a "deal" for her stepping down, the party would jump to the forefront of trying to get her to run to take over for Spitzer instead. That way, perhaps it would clear the way for RFK, Junior to endorse Obama, so that he still feels he could take over her Senate seat if she were to win the governorship, which is likely why he endorsed her to begin with (so that seat would be come "open" if she were to become president).

[Blarch]

41. Fuck it.

I am thinking of moving to NY just so I can vote against her.