Bill Clinton on GE race- Hill v McCain: "It would be one between two people who loved this country

[jenmito]

without all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

He said this TODAY in Charlotte, NC!!!

[XemaSab]

1. I think I just went code brown in my pants.

x(

[jenmito]

10. Ewww! But I know how you feel!

x(

[XemaSab]

34. Man, I miss the hate mail bag.

:(

http://www.democraticunderground.com/mail/hatemail_26.html

[jenmito]

Oh...now I get it.

Thanks for showing me that link. I never saw it! :hi:

[DearAbby]

60. :::opens Unbrella:::

I wished I had gotten here first to post above you....:evilfrown:







:hide::rofl:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

100. BadaBing BadaBoom

[Major Hogwash]

64. Hahahahahaha! I've never heard that!

That is funnier than shit. Well, wait, oh, well, yeah. Forget it.

[roguevalley]

215. he just trashes himself every time he opens his mouth. very sad

and stupid.

[Hutzpa]

284. Love your image

is that a chihauhau, hmmmm........

:rofl:

[stray cat]

2. Just like Kerry and Bush, and Gore and Bush?

[DB1]

3. Wow, just a tad of underlying racism IMHO

[Citizen Kang]

53. The Clinton Flameout...

is now fully underway.

Seriously, how far have these two fallen? They are willing to destroy the party if they don't get their PRECIOUS White House back.

The Clinton's need to go away.

[DB1]

173. I do believe the fat lady is about to break out in song.

I believe her first tune will be "send in the clowns" to honor Penn and Bill

[krkaufman]

270. Some "best of..." themes...

Obama hates America (new!)
Obama may be an illegitimate nominee.
McCain is more qualified than Obama.

[IsItJustMe]

282. Go away hell. They need to be tarred and feathered.

[mathewsleep]

4. mccain doesn't love america.

he loves war, he loves vengeance and hatred.

[tridim]

183. He loves this guy though.

[anonymous171]

5. Holy shit!

:wow: :mad:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

6. Jesus Christ.

Of all people to be playing the patriot card...:wow:

Has Bill forgotten the way he was portrayed as a draft-dodging commie sympathizer by the very people he's courting right now?

[book_worm]

7. Meaning that Obama doesn't love this country as much as Hill and their pal McCain?

[TwilightGardener]

11. Yes--that's exactly what he meant.

[jenmito]

21. They're playing into the RW theme of Obama hating America for staying with Wright, not wearing

a flag pin, not putting his hand over his heart during the singing of the Star Spangled Banner, etc. He has no shame. :eyes:

[mod mom]

I guess only Americans who love war really love this country.

:mad:

[TwilightGardener]

8. It's over. Nail in the coffin now.

[jenmito]

32. I sure HOPE so!

It SHOULD be! Depends if the media gives it ANY time compared to the "Typical white person" comment" (which he just spoke about again today at a press briefing).

[Milo_Bloom]

9. They love it enough to kill its citizens for oil

They both disgust me.... equally.

[slinkerwink]

12. that sounds slightly racist to me

[marylanddem]

13. F**K You Bill, you freaking idiot!

[democrat2thecore]

14. The lowest blow YET against Obama - Bill, just GO AWAY! -nt

[grantcart]

15. Chuck Todd: Bill Clinton's statements today very troubling

Source: MSNBC

Bill Clinton has made remarks that seem to undermine Senator Obama's patriotism.

The remarks which include a statement to the effect that a "Clinton-McCain raise would be between two people who love the country without all of this other stuff" (paraphrase)

Todd was asked when he stopped by MSNBC and they were reading the excerpt to him.

He said that the full text was not good and a 'terrible read'. He could not figure out what Clinton was saying that would be good for his wife's campaign.

Should be big news in one hour

[bunnies]

Yep. I heard that too.

How can the party let this continue?

[marylanddem]

Dean needs to SPEAK OUT about this crap

[grantcart]

57. When superdelegates see this and compare it to Richardson in Oregon

they are going to move big time this may be the begining of the end

[roguevalley]

247. obama has endorsements scheduled at intervals for the next few

[bunnies]

103. Damn right he does.

The Clintons are actively promoting John McCain. It doesnt get much more unDemocratic than that. ENOUGH! :nuke:

[Major Hogwash]

77. The super D's need to end this shit now.

Bubba's legacy is going downhill faster than a fat man on his kid's round plastic sled.

[northernsoul]

110. Snarf!

"going downhill faster than a fat man on his kid's round plastic sled."

Can I borrow that line sometime?

[EFerrari]

16. Please keep talking, Bill!

:puke:

[stray cat]

17. Its funny how Bill would never say a bad word about W and now McCain

Maybe with his new found wealth he has turned republican....

[democrat2thecore]

31. That wasn't his point - it was that an Obama-McCain race would only have ONE person who loves USA

Nobody here can say McCain doesn't love America or that Hillary doesn't love America, but Bill Clinton today basically said Obama hasn't loved his country. Unbelievable. This one has stunned me. I once had great respect for this man.

[stray cat]

89. Agreed - I'm just shocked by attacks on Obama patriotism when he gave W a pass for 8 years

[tridim]

191. BFF with the BFEE

[maddiejoan]

18. Oh goody

The Obama campaign is gonna pull another out of context race-baiting stunt on Bill Clinton again.

[TwilightGardener]

25. No--Bill Clinton just said that McCain and Hillary love the country, but Obama

by exclusion does not.

[maddiejoan]

26. You're reaching

[TwilightGardener]

28. Really? I don't think so.

[maddiejoan]

33. Doesn't shock me, weinerdoggie

Doesn't shock me at all.

[democrat2thecore]

38. Not hardly - that's EXACTLY what he meant -nt

[maddiejoan]

66. uh huh

right

:eyes:

[sellitman]

87. There are none so blind as those who don't see.

Billary is self imploding and you don't see it yet huh?

[maddiejoan]

106. No I don't

I see Obama trying to squish Hillary , because he's failed to achieve the number of pledged delegates he needs to be the nominee.

I see him trying to crush her before the next wave of primaries turns the convention to an even battle.

[Window]

164. And, Hillary is doing what??????

Unfuckingbelievable!

[maddiejoan]

182. Hillary is doing what she has to do

to keep the Democratic Party from losing the GE

[cali]

195. yes of course, because dear Hilly loves her country

and Obama isn't doing this. Bill did it. And the MSM is going to have a field day. Freakin' stupid thing for him to say. typical too.

[maddiejoan]

204. I think you are finding things in his statement

that simply aren't there.

[Window]

248. Bullshit.

Senator Obama is doing what he has to do to keep the Democratic Party from losing the GE.

[maddiejoan]

263. Duh

of course he is!

They both are.

[Nedsdag]

260. Guess what?

Not only will "your girl" lose in the general election, but she'll hurt the downticket in the fall.

Say hello to Speaker Boehner if that happens.

I hope you're very happy, maddiejoan!

[maddiejoan]

264. I am very happy.

Thank you.

[JackORoses]

306. you'll be happier when President Obama frees you from your Hillarite Prison

It will take work, but I'm sure we can find a decent human being in there somewhere.

[maddiejoan]

308. Yes

I'm very excited about paying for his expensive insurance package --it will Hopefully™ be useful for my conversion therapy to heterosexuality.

Then I can get married and stuff!

[ruggerson]

81. Where is Obama in that remark?

[TwilightGardener]

98. He's all the "other stuff".

[ruggerson]

122. So anytime Bill Clinton does NOT mention Obama in a comment

we can assume that he IS mentioning Barack Obama?

I'm trying to understand Obamathink so I can interpret this in the future.

[scheming daemons]

27. Maddie... how can you not consider this the ultimate political low blow?

Come on... you're smarter than that.


Questioning an opponent's love of country?

[maddiejoan]

29. He didn't

That's how.

[scheming daemons]

35. No other way to interpret "A Hillary-McCain race would be between two candidates who love...

..their country, without all that other stuff."


You're being intellectually dishonest.

[maddiejoan]

45. Nope

you are.

and damned ugly thing to do

[scheming daemons]

54. Yeah... ok, Maddie. Your candidates spouse just changed the media narrative for the next week.....

....somehow, you'll blame that on Obama.

[maddiejoan]

63. If Obama pounces on this

yes --I will.

So far, I just blame the Obama supporters on this thread and their faux outrage.

[yodermon]

62. what the fuck did he mean, then?

please translate.

[maddiejoan]

72. He means

it wouldn't be a nasty campaign --it would be a campaign on the issues only.

Pretty damned clear to me.

[Bolo Boffin]

127. Oh, so it's Obama's fault that the Clinton campaign had to get nasty and go racist

:eyes:

ETA: If Obama only knew his place, then American politics would always be about the issues and never dirty and disgusting at all...

:sarcasm:

[maddiejoan]

130. Where does Bill even mention Obama?

:shrug:

[Bolo Boffin]

135. Come the fuck on!

Who else could he be talking about? He's clearly drawing an allusion to another campaign, and Obama is the only other candidate in the race!

Please stop peddling stupid-ass bullshit!

[maddiejoan]

144. He's talking about

Hillary versus McCain.

I see zero mention of Obama.

You are making shit up.

[Bolo Boffin]

156. ...Hill v. McCain as compared to Obama v. McCain.

And you goddamn well know that.

[maddiejoan]

158. No I don't

and neither do you.

[Bolo Boffin]

169. That is a factually inaccurate statement, maddiejoan.

You insult the intelligence of everyone here with that crap.

[maddiejoan]

176. You do

Do you know what caused Bill to make such a comment?

Was he asked what a Clinton vs McCain campaign would be like?

Why does talking about one matchup have anything to do with another speculative matchup.

You are being intellectually dishonest.

[Bolo Boffin]

234. Why don't you produce the context (as you have been asked to do repeatedly)

and stop your stupid little games?

[maddiejoan]

238. The only game player here is you.

and I'm not at a Senate hearing, Senator McCarthy.

[Bolo Boffin]

303. Au contraire. By once again refusing to provide the context...

you continue your stupid games.

Call me Senator McCarthy one more time and you will be reported to the moderators. It's boloboffin or nothing at all from you, maddiejoan.

[Bolo Boffin]

139. dupe

[neverforget]

140. "it wouldn't be a nasty campaign"-LOL

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You're joking, right?

[maddiejoan]

162. I'm dead serious.

[neverforget]

217. the right wing will go after whoever the nominee is. Wake up!

[maddiejoan]

222. Of course they will

and they will tear apart Obama like a ragdoll.

they have already started.

[neverforget]

287. And they will treat Hillary will the love and respect that Bill and Hillary

have shown him so far this campaign? That ragdoll being torn apart will be either Obama or Hillary. That is some delusional thinking to think that the Repukes will go softer on Hillary than on Obama. It doesn't matter who the nominee will be: a Democrat will be the target of a vicious Republican mud machine.

[maddiejoan]

297. The difference is

I KNOW Hillary can take it.

[Danger Mouse]

295. Keep in mind, the right wing HATES HATES HATES Hillary.

If she somehow pulls off the nomination, the ring wing will be slavering to tear into her.
They will rally the base with their hatred of the Clintons, and if Clinton gets so mad about Obama's little campaign mailers, then how will she handle it when garbage like 'C U Next Tuesday' becomes the NORM?
Billy boy can kiss McCain's ass all he wants...McCain's campaign will not return the courtesy.

[TwilightGardener]

So--vote for Hillary, 'cause she's whiter and more patriotic?

[TwilightGardener]

37. Why is he talking about the general election and McCain, then,

when she isn't even mathematically going to win the nom? Why is he talking about TWO people that love this country, and those two people are not Hillary and Obama?

[maddiejoan]

51. You're making up stuff

with no basis in fact --just distorted opinionating

[jenmito]

95. Face it! The Clintons will do and say anything to try to win. He said this in front of a largely

military crowd. This will drive other superdelegates right to Obama.

[maddiejoan]

109. Only if they are as stupid

as you seem to think they are.

[jenmito]

153. The SDs are anything but stupid. They're already sending a message for her to get out of the

race already. She's destroying herself AND Obama-the soon-to-be Dem. nominee.

[maddiejoan]

157. Obama is destroying himself

[jenmito]

161. Yeah. And that's why Richardson just endorsed him. Everybody loves a loser, right?

:rofl:

[maddiejoan]

168. Misery loves company?

:shrug:

[jenmito]

181. Justify it however you feel necessary!

[Lerkfish]

44. um...your spinning device is defective.

don't look now.

[C_U_L8R]

49. Please enlighten us.. what was the context?

Is Chuck Todd wrong in his reporting?

[maddiejoan]

58. Chuck Todd

is an ass --trying to stir up shit for attention to himself.

[Dogmudgeon]

115. Has everyone gone nuts?

This campaign is turning into the world's biggest, most juvenile "Gotcha!" contest imaginable.

Someone here recently accused me of racism for using a piece of hacker slang.

Even on "our" side, there are more nuts than at the Planter's factory. (Or is that a racist remark, too?)

No wonder I hardly ever post here any more.

--p!

[maddiejoan]

121. I've been called

racist, sexist and homophobic!

I hit the trifecta!

[Nedsdag]

269. Well...

I wouldn't go that far.

I can't believe people haven't read your signature.

[maddiejoan]

275. Why do you think I have that signature?

[CreekDog]

120. Chuck Todd doesn't count

:think:

[TwilightGardener]

126. Yes--his math has a Clinton-unfriendly bias.

[CreekDog]

193. and math has a well-known bias

:eyes:

[cali]

202. gad. I pity you

pathetic spin. just sad.

[maddiejoan]

300. I couldn't possibly care less

what you think of me, as I have absolutely zero respect for your opinions.

[jenmito]

71. MSNBC just got the memo from their campaign embed!

:eyes:

[Window]

188. Hillary supporters must be running out of embalming fluid by now.

Everyone who is not on their side is DEAD to them now. The death toll is rising mighty high.


:rofl:

[jenmito]

213. Exactly! Another nail in their OWN political coffin, though.

:hi:

[anigbrowl]

93. A DU thread that only included certain people would be a debate folk who love Democratic ideals. /nt

[cliffordu]

107. OH, I dunno, Maddie....

Seems to me Bill did just that - except it was an in-context race baiting stunt Bill pulled (again...)


Bill Clinton: Just craptastic.



:hurts:

:puke:

[maddiejoan]

114. Then I'd say

you think anything said that doesn't favor Obama is racist.

[cliffordu]

142. Nope, just the racist scumbag stuff.

[maddiejoan]

148. you're making shit up

It's no place in Bill's comment. period.

[Bolo Boffin]

117. No. 1, it isn't race-baiting

No. 2, can you put that comment into a context that doesn't make it despicable?

I dare you to try.

[maddiejoan]

125. yes I can

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5195357&mesg_id=5195623

[Bolo Boffin]

149. I've responded to that bullshit up there.

Try again. This time, use reason.

[maddiejoan]

152. I did

any other interpretation is just stirring up a distortion to slime Bill Clinton.

[Bolo Boffin]

166. No, you did not.

The interpretation is one that was clearly meant by Bill Clinton: a Obama-McCain race would have all this other "stuff." He clearly meant that.

It is transparent bullshit for you to claim otherwise.

[maddiejoan]

172. What was the lead in to Bill's comment?

Do you know?

[Bolo Boffin]

231. Since you're queer for Hillary, why don't you enlighten us.

Your claim is that there's a context that makes this despicable comment benign.

Produce.

[maddiejoan]

235. I don't need to.

It IS a benign comment.

"I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country," said the former president. "And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

[Juche]

261. The problem is

THat that isn't going to happen no matter who the nominee is. There is going to be alot of sniping and distraction no matter who gets the nomination.

[maddiejoan]

262. of course

but wouldn't it be nice if it weren't true.

The campaign will be nasty. They always are --and they always have been.

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/06/the-complete-history-of-dirty-politics-a-qa-on-anything-for-a-vote/

[Bolo Boffin]

304. Yes, you do.

Because the context reveals what an underhanded comment it is.

[berni_mccoy]

174. No, I don't see this as a racists statement. I see this as an attack on Obama's patriotism

Which I think is very wrong for Bill to suggest this.

[maddiejoan]

198. maybe

that could be --and it's a low blow if true --but I think he's talking about McCain vs Hillary would be an issue based campaign.

I don't even think he's talking about Obama.

I certainly don't see race anywhere in there.

[maddiejoan]

219. Found the actual quote

which doesn't mention Hillary. McCain OR Obama.

"I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country," said the former president. "And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."


what's not to agree with here?

Wouldn't YOU like to see this happen?

[berni_mccoy]

249. Thanks for providing the actual quote. I agree it's not right to draw the conclusions being made

here. I don't see this as an attack on Obama either.

[maddiejoan]

251. Thanks, Berni

I can always rely on your honesty --even on the times we happen to disagree.

I always feel like you are speaking from a heartfelt place.

Makes you credible to me.

[Bolo Boffin]

302. Why didn't you link to the transcript, Maddie?

"Nothing about McCain, Clinton OR Obama"? That is ANOTHER factual inaccuracy from you.

Clinton was being asked about a matchup between McCain and his wife. THAT was the context. Once again, you're playing stupid games.

[karynnj]

233. Not to mention that Bill Clinton of all people shhouldn't go there

Not after his 1969 letter, where he spoke of how some loathed the military was revealed in 1992. As to owing someone - he was defended by a highly decorated veteran.
Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, I also rise today--and I want to say that I rise reluctantly, but I rise feeling driven by personal reasons of necessity--to express my very deep disappointment over yesterday's turn of events in the Democratic primary in Georgia.

I am saddened by the fact that Vietnam has yet again been inserted into the campaign, and that it has been inserted in what I feel to be the worst possible way. By that I mean that yesterday, during this Presidential campaign, and even throughout recent times, Vietnam has been discussed and written about without an adequate statement of its full meaning.

What is ignored is the way in which our experience during that period reflected in part a positive affirmation of American values and history, not simply the more obvious negatives of loss and confusion.

What is missing is a recognition that there exists today a generation that has come into its own with powerful lessons learned, with a voice that has been grounded in experiences both of those who went to Vietnam and those who did not.

What is missing and what cries out to be said is that neither one group nor the other from that difficult period of time has cornered the market on virtue or rectitude or love of country.

What saddens me most is that Democrats, above all those who shared the agonies of that generation, should now be refighting the many conflicts of Vietnam in order to win the current political conflict of a Presidential primary.

The race for the White House should be about leadership, and leadership requires that one help heal the wounds of Vietnam , not reopen them; that one help identify the positive things that we learned about ourselves and about our Nation, not play to the divisions and differences of that crucible of our generation.

We do not need to divide America over who served and how. I have personally always believed that many served in many different ways. Someone who was deeply against the war in 1969 or 1970 may well have served their country with equal passion and patriotism by opposing the war as by fighting in it. Are we

now, 20 years or 30 years later, to forget the difficulties of that time, of families that were literally torn apart, of brothers who ceased to talk to brothers, of fathers who disowned their sons, of people who felt compelled to leave the country and forget their own future and turn against the will of their own aspirations?

Are we now to descend, like latter-day Spiro Agnews, and play, as he did, to the worst instincts of divisiveness and reaction that still haunt America? Are we now going to create a new scarlet letter in the context of Vietnam ?

Certainly, those who went to Vietnam suffered greatly. I have argued for years, since I returned myself in 1969, that they do deserve special affection and gratitude for service. And, indeed, I think everything I have tried to do since then has been to fight for their rights and recognition.

But while those who served are owed special recognition, that recognition should not come at the expense of others; nor does it require that others be victimized or criticized or said to have settled for a lesser standard. To divide our party or our country over this issue today, in 1992, simply does not do justice to what all of us went through during that tragic and turbulent time.

I would like to make a simple and straightforward appeal, an appeal from my heart, as well as from my head. To all those currently pursuing the Presidency in both parties, I would plead that they simply look at America. We are a nation crying out for leadership, for someone who will bring us together and raise our sights. We are a nation looking for someone who will lift our spirits and give us confidence that together we can grow out of this recession and conquer the myriad of social ills we have at home.

We do not need more division. We certainly do not need something as complex and emotional as Vietnam reduced to simple campaign rhetoric. What has been said has been said, Mr. President, but I hope and pray we will put it behind us and go forward in a constructive spirit for the good of our party and the good of our country.

[Uncle Joe]

250. I agree with you in part, it was a blatant attack against Obama's patriotism by omission, however

I also believe it was a subliminal racial attack, because Obama's preacher had vented his anger against the U.S. over it's racial past and the corporate media has done virtually nothing but focus on race ever since. It's like a memory stack. So by bringing this up in the manner he did, the whole issue of race is covertly kept alive in the minds of the voters.

I agree it was very wrong for Bill to suggest this, but I gave up on the Clintons years ago.

[stevietheman]

278. Keep playing stupid. It's transparent. n/t

n/t

[Morereason]

305. My second ignore... hurray. You are so partisan you distract from an honest dialog. Wake up

[maddiejoan]

309. whoopdie doo

ignored by someone with no profile.

I'm shocked.

[grantcart]

19. When superdelegates see this and compare it to Richardson in Oregon

they are going to start to move big time

[democrat2thecore]

43. I agree. Again, Bill has changed the dynamics of the race. -nt

[TwilightGardener]

20. Remember, Bill just said two weeks ago what a great VP Obama would make--

for someone who doesn't love his country, that is.

[cottonseed]

104. That would be before patriot training.

:eyes: :crazy:

[TeamJordan23]

22. Sending our troops to die = loving our country?

Is that what you meant, Bill?

[jlake]

23. Amen Bill!

[scheming daemons]

30. I'm questioning YOUR love of country now... you're a despicable human being.....

[9119495]

171. Funny...

I can't read your reply to #23 because that poster is on my ignore list. I recommend you go for the same.

[stray cat]

128. Guess Hillary and Bill have decided they want that tax break after all

Will they both be speaking at the Republican convention?

[jlake]

131. I don't think you heard Bill's comments clearly.... you must have only heard

the MSM bias..... listen to the full speech in context.

[leftofcool]

24. Sounds like more hype by the MSM

and taking things out of context

[EFerrari]

40. No. There's two or three black voters in NC that Bill hasn't offended yet.

Maybe now he can lay off.

[saltpoint]

294. LOL! And the reason they aren't pissed is because they're still in a coma.

She loses their votes, too, once they wake up and pick up a newspaper!

[jenmito]

47. Really? Chuck Todd said the ENTIRE quote looks HORRIBLE. n/t

[ShortnFiery]

134. Yes, but three translucent white women commentators are scouring

Obama's "typical white woman" comment.

It's absurd. Have you noticed that the biased ones (save for Pat Bucannan) tone down their rhetoric when there's a black commentator in the room? Hell, even if it's the biased Ken Blackwell. :crazy:

Go figure? - We're all more BIASED with our "own kind."

[jenmito]

196. I know! They just keep on goin' with it! He was asked about it again today by a reporter and he

answered, saying BLACK people fear other Black people, too, and it's just something deep-seating in many people, and it's a reality that we should talk about-a continuation of what he's been saying ever since his speech. They even played a couple seconds of that briefing but ignored that.

[snappyturtle]

240. I heard him say that too...and the WAY he said it...I was in the next

room and I could almost "hear" him shaking his head in disbelief!

[uponit7771]

48. I've read that Dodd said it was worse than what the MSM is saying but I'll wait until the full story

...is out

[azmouse]

36. When is Hillary going to disawow these comments.

Hillary should drop out now for those comments from her husband.
After all, he HAS been her husband for way more than 20 years and I'm sure she would have left him long ago if she didn't agree with everything he says.

[City Lights]

69. LOL!

:thumbsup:

[stray cat]

97. She needs to get rid of her husband as she said disowning comments was not adequate

[screembloodymurder]

101. This just in Bill has apologized and resigned from Hillary's

campaign. Hillary claims she does not remember living with the man.

[azmouse]

141. Soooo... she 'threw Bill under the bus'?

:rofl: How shameful!

[uponit7771]

39. WTF?!?!?!?

[undeterred]

41. Keep it up Bill and the whole country will hate the Clintons forever.

The two of you will live in exile.

[shadowknows69]

42. The Big Dog has jumped the shark

[uponit7771]

61. I am very disappointed in them...my heart hurts...I like them, this reminds me of when some business

...partners of mine and I along with a group of other people had 5 million dollars placed in front of us in the form of a deal...you wouldn't imaging it but people change when power and money is at the core of their ambitions...

[City Lights]

46. Go Cheney yourself, Bill.

I am *so* done with you and your wife. Fuck. Off.

[futureliveshere]

50. Oh Wow.... Thats disgusting

He makes me wanna puke and I love his presidency :puke: :puke:

[uponit7771]

67. We're seeing money and power turn two people into something THEY may not like

[democrat2thecore]

52. They say things and then deny that it was meant "that way" - this is a LOW BLOW - go away, Bill -nt

[Drunken Irishman]

55. I'm starting to think Bill WANTS Hillary to lose.

[blogslut]

56. William Jefferson Clinton

You have broken my heart many times and I have forgiven you.

I forgave you when you turned your back on the poor with your horrid welfare reform.

I forgave you when you turned your back on gays and lesbians with DADT.

I forgave you when you turned your back on your wife and child and lied to the American people.

I will forgive you for what you're doing this election but I will never forget.

Never.

[Kurovski]

59. He just keeps digging that hole deeper.

There's no link to comment this yet?

[EFerrari]

78. Sometimes I wonder if there isn't some health reason for

these horrible missteps. Maybe his cognitive skills are deteriorating? How old is he anyway?

[goclark]

155. Do you think it's the heart medications?

He looks like he has aged 10 years and I met him the year his book came out.

He is the one that acts like the "crazy uncle that will say anything at dinner."

They are absolutely power mad and they will stop at nothing.

Why does the Manchurian Candidate keep spinning in my head?

Something is up folks.

[EFerrari]

165. He's been looking frail to me for some time now.

I'm not wishing anything on him. His behavior verges on the bizarre. :shrug:

[goclark]

180. It is bizarre and they make a strange combination

When you consider that he is not able to contain his words and she can't either~ what kind of decisions would they make for our country.

It's not about Obama to me in this case.

As much as I support Obama,the Democratic Party needs to do whatever it needs to do to send them both on a long vacation.

If that means making it a GORE/OBAMA ticket, do it. But this duo is dangerous.

[EFerrari]

203. That's the thing. It's as though he's not filtering his speech very well.

I don't think he would have said this stuff say, ten years ago -- or at least, I have no memory of hearing him make statements like these.

[goclark]

216. I was always pleased with the way that he represented our country

But I am reminded of that statement he made at the beginning of the campaign.

The one about "He would take a world tour with GHWB when Hillary was elected President etc."

Boy, GHWB let him know instantly that there would be no tour.

THAT was telling to me and it has gone downhill from that time.

He is smart enough to pick up social cues but he is not connecting at all.

And remember when they were in Iowa(?) and she was trying to get him to stop talking and get in the car?

He didn't get it then either. :scared:

[EFerrari]

224. Sad. But, thanks, goclark. I thought it was just me

that was noticing these little slips.

One of my dear aunts came down with Alzheimer's last year. It happened slowly and now, she's barely with us most of the time. We love her so much. It's difficult for everyone.

[WinkyDink]

186. Oh, please; "verges on the bizarre".

[EFerrari]

229. Maybe that should be "bizarre for one of the most able politicians

of our times".

My mom met him at his book signing here -- what, two years ago? -- and she reminded him that he borrowed my bro's sax and sent him a nice thank you letter. (She snuck the letter in to show him.) He seemed fine then. I'm not sure if that was before or after his surgery, though. Maybe I have the dates messed up.

[goclark]

244. I met him at his book signing too.

I took my 86 year old Mom in a wheelchair to meet him.

We are African American and there was a line two blocks long waiting to see him.

He was so thoughtful and had a wonderful smile.
The Secret Service agent directed him over to my Mom.
He smiled and gave her a kiss on the cheek.
The entire room clapped for my Mom and it was one of the happiest days of her life. She adored him.

Sad to say, she is disappointed in him now.

This Bill Clinton is not the man that I met that day.
That man could not turn against our community like he is doing.

Something has changed and now I am actually afraid for him/them to be in the power seats. Not just because I am African American but because I care about my country.

[EFerrari]

246. Oh, dear. My mom glowed from that meeting for a week.

She had to drive 60 miles and wait for hours, too. She was over 70 at the time.

It's been months since I could empathize with Hillary Clinton but if this is what it looks like, I do now. Maybe I'm overreacting. I hope so. :(

[Window]

206. That came to my mind also. Maybe it's the medication he's on.

What I do know is the level both Clinton's have sunk to is very sad and disappointing.

[EFerrari]

227. Can heart meds do that? I didn't know that. n/t

[Kurovski]

280. Old enough to know better, despite all indicators to the contrary.

Speaking of errors in cognition, what the hell happened to my brain? And I quote: "There's no link to comment this yet?"

:hi:

[JVS]

65. That guy has become a complete turd.

[BeyondGeography]

68. What a fucking goofball you have become, Big Dog

[Bullet1987]

70. I don't think they give a damn anymore...and it's so obvious

Now that MI and FL seem very unlikely...they're releasing their anger.

[marylanddem]

74. They are wounded and dangerous...

[sellitman]

118. *Ding Ding*

Best post this week!

Wounded cornered animals......

[TwilightGardener]

159. Yep--cornered badgers.

[bicentennial_baby]

73. They just played it again, video, with more detail...

:crazy:

[crispini]

79. "All of this other stuff"?

Ewwwwwwww

He just reduced Obama's wonderful speech and call for dialog on race to "all of this other stuff that's intruding itself on our politics."

:eyes:

[uponit7771]

84. Yeah, I want him to tell us what this "other" stuff is...

[jgraz]

205. Bill blows the dogwhistle

"Other stuff" means exactly what you think it means, especially to southern ears. Think Trent Lott's "we wouldn't have all these other problems" quote at Strom Thurmond's birthday party.

[crispini]

75. And people could actually ask themselves who's right on these issues

instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

:wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

[dailykoff]

76. Dayum, that clown just can't shut up.

:wow:

[uponit7771]

80. WHOA!!!! JUST HEARD THE REST OF IT!!! Bill said "...without this 'other' stuff"...

...and he was speaking in front of the VFW!!

What the hell!!!

HE REALLY has some explaining to do with THAT comment

[crispini]

82. Exactly! It's the END of the statement.

The first part, whatever, but the END part? :wow:

[uponit7771]

99. This whole thing reminds me of when during a business deal worth 5 million people I loved changed...

...in front of me and they TOTALLY lost focus of what we were trying to do and focused on the dividing up the money BEFORE anything was complete.

sigh....

[jenmito]

123. I have that in my quote. But yes-it was in front of the VFW!!! What a coded message he was

sending!!

[bowens43]

83. Is bill getting senile?

[grantcart]

85. This then is the entrails that are left after you throw the kitchen sink

[DerekJ]

86. Oh for the love of God bill .. you are becoming as senile as McCain .N/T

[UALRBSofL]

88. OP, don't worry about Bill Clinton's statements

He's "just a white person".

[ShortnFiery]

116. No, I'd say Bill Clinton is a *typical* southern white politician when using "The Southern Strategy"

:shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

90. Now that is not civil. That is low. :( eom.

[TwilightGardener]

94. Good to see ya back, S/F.

[ShortnFiery]

102. Thank you.

:hi:

[closeupready]

91. That's disgusting.

n/t

[grantcart]

92. explanation: Richardson endorsement is driving them crazy

[uponit7771]

105. I wonder if Richardson is the 'stuff' Bill was talking about

[marylanddem]

113. they are both such incredible self-serving egotists -

yes, I think you're right, Richardson's endorsement made Bill blow his gasket

[grantcart]

132. same thing happened in S Carolina when Obama made a few remarks about Reagan

[polichick]

96. Last gasps!

[DearAbby]

108. All this shit being flung by the Clinton Campaign

Better get yours... that way you too can prove you are a true a'merkin

[sudopod]

143. How is this any different

than making everyone in North Korea wear little Kim Il Sung pins? :p

[Tropics_Dude83]

111. Bill and Hillary Clinton are disgusting GOP lite cancers on the democratic party

[gravity]

112. Thank you Bill

For putting the final nail in the coffin for the Clinton campaign

[gaiilonfong]

129. Megalomaniac Bill a LOSER DEGENERATE SCUZZ-BALL

Oh and TRASH too.

Go away CLINTONS FOREVER

[WinkyDink]

190. Thank you for your continued Republican rants.

[gaiilonfong]

239. pomm neii wheii n/t

[NanBo]

119. and I'm sure they both wear their proper

flag pins. You know, just the 'important' stuff for those two similar candidates. :eyes:

[beachmom]

124. I think the Clintons now need an intervention by the Party. As in THEIR OWN superdelegates.

This crossed the line. WAY over the line.

[DemBones DemBones]

133. He's right. Obama has shown he stands with a man

who says "God damn America" from the pulpit of his church.

Wright also compared baby Barack to baby Jesus in his Christmas morning service.

I never realized that Barack was born in a stable in Bethlehem and had to sleep in a manger.

All this crap about how "impoverished" Obama's childhood was is ridiculous. His "single" mother had her parents living nearby for back-up, and she remarried within a few years after Barack's father abandoned them, then lived in a gated community in Indonesia. Barack was always sent to private schools, even after his mother's second marriage broke up. Just what did he have to do without?

It's like Michelle Obama, in an interview for the New Yorker, saying she wants to feed her girls organic fresh fruit but then asking who has time to shop every day and who can afford it. Somehow, I think she could send her full-time maid to do the shopping and if she can't afford fresh fruit, living in a home that cost 1.57 million dollars, maybe they need to sell that mansion and buy something smaller.

She also whines about how she and Barack had to pay off student loans -- as if the rest of us didn't! -- and about the difficulty of affording summer camp and piano lessons for her girls.

Since they earn $480,000 a year, not counting all the book royalties Obama gets, all this poor-mouthing she does is ridiculous.

[beachmom]

138. Go back to Freeperville. nt

[mod mom]

167. So you're an anarchist and have a problem w Wright's statement? Hmmh...

:eyes:

[NorthernSpy]

220. LOL! That's so stupid it hurts...

Good catch, Mod Mom!


:rofl:

[Bullet1987]

136. Watch it get played down by the MSM

They don't want anything to come in the way of their beloved fake horse race.

[global1]

137. This Just In - The Clinton's Have Purchased 100,000 acres Next To G.W.Bush In Paraguay.......

not really - but they should.

Bottom line and I've said this before - Bill really doesn't want Hillary to win the nomination nor become president. Subconsciously he is doing things that cut her off at the knees and make her look bad.

He wants to be the Big Dog in the family and show who wears the pants suit.

[dailykoff]

147. Whores must be cheap in Paraguay.

[WinkyDink]

192. Spoken like a Democrat---except not.

[slinkerwink]

145. full quote here

It'd be a great thing if we had an election where you had two people who love this country, who were devoted to the interest of the country and people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues instead of all this other stuff which always seems to intrude on our politics.

[K Gardner]

160. WTF was he thinking??

[jenmito]

177. Thanks!

Yeah, Norah O'Donnell left part of it out. The full quote sounds even worse!

[kennetha]

184. Why?

If this is verbatim it doesn't even refer to anybody in particular. It doesn't refer to Hillary or Obama or McCain.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

194. self-delete.

Have to think harder about this.

[stray cat]

243. it would be great - could he mean if Obama and McCain ran and the media stayed out of it?

or does it only happen if its McCain and Hillary?

[pscot]

146. The Clintons are going to hate thmselves

when this is over. Which won't be long, now.

[Changenow]

150. Hillary must plan a run as an independent

everything she and hers say now is anti Democrat.

[elana i am]

151. well i get the first part...

he's not necessarily saying that obama doesn't love this country, he's just saying that neither hillary or john mccain come with "other stuff". ok the first part of that statement in not a well constructed statement but it's conceivable he didn't mean it how it sounded. but what the HELL is "without that other stuff" supposed to mean???? that's the part that sounds truly UGLY.

[anitar1]

154. I have had it with the Clintons. They are a real embarassment

imho. The desperation is quite evident. No more dynasties.

[BlueIdaho]

163. Poor Bill

He was born with a silver foot in his mouth...

[Bonobo]

170. This is stupid.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5196015

[EFerrari]

175. You're entitled to your opinion. n/t

[cbayer]

178. Exact quote, context and link. Not that anyone here cares.

"I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country," said the former president. "And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

The former president made the comments to less than 80 audience members at an invite-only event focused on veterans issues.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/21/794670.aspx

[TwilightGardener]

185. In the context of a primary, what does this mean? Who DOESN'T love this country?

What "all other stuff"?

[uponit7771]

208. right!! I've not know EITHER Clinton to be so ambiguous

[cbayer]

228. You got me.

I was just supplying some more definitive information into this rapidly deteriorating room.

He may or may not have been implying that Obama doesn't love this country. I doubt that he was.

It is such a vague statement all the way around and he said it to such a narrow and small audience.

I doubt it will have legs anywhere other than DU, but I've been wrong before (repeatedly).

[philk17088]

226. Whaaa?

As compared to what Bill?
People can't ask themselves those questions with more than two candidates?
I don't know if there is implied denegration in this statement or just a piss poor outlook on politics.

[madrchsod]

179. billy a bit upset because he`s no longer going to be

the honorary "black president". a real black man is going to be the real black president so come on billy fess up..you are just pissed of cause your star is fading

[BklynChick]

187. That's a horrific statement on so many levels.

[WinkyDink]

197. Try looking up the definition of "horrific".

[SOS]

277. Oxford English Dictionary

Thesaurus entries for horrific: awful, terrible, atrocious

Sounds about right.

[GeorgeGist]

189. loved ...

is past tense.

[jenmito]

218. Full quote, posted upthread, says "love," but "loved" fits better yet means the same thing:

"It'd be a great thing if we had an election where you had two people who love this country, who were devoted to the interest of the country and people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues instead of all this other stuff which always seems to intrude on our politics."

[housewolf]

199. I am totally unable to load "VIEW ALL" for this thread

I can load the OP, but not the response thread via my wireless cable connection. Are there some large images in here, or is it just the volume of responses?

[Vinca]

200. Well, Bill ought to know.

" . . . instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics." Gennifer, Paula, Kathleen, et al.

[Arugula Latte]

201. Are the Clintons TRYING to be traitors to the Democratic Party?

Looks that way more and more.

[karynnj]

207. There was a time when Bill Clinton's patriotism was challanged in a primary

It was February, 1992. His challenger, a highly decorated Vietnam veteran was calling him out as a draft dodger. This had the potential of again ripping the country apart over Vietnam. Another Senator,also a highly decorated veteran, who was friend of Clinton's challenger took to the floor of the Senate to make a plea against inserting the rifts from the Vietnam War into the primary.

I wish that Bill Clinton would have had the grace to say that all three of this year's candidates love this country. Here are the words said on the Senate floor in 1992:

"Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, I also rise today--and I want to say that I rise reluctantly, but I rise feeling driven by personal reasons of necessity--to express my very deep disappointment over yesterday's turn of events in the Democratic primary in Georgia.

I am saddened by the fact that Vietnam has yet again been inserted into the campaign, and that it has been inserted in what I feel to be the worst possible way. By that I mean that yesterday, during this Presidential campaign, and even throughout recent times, Vietnam has been discussed and written about without an adequate statement of its full meaning.

What is ignored is the way in which our experience during that period reflected in part a positive affirmation of American values and history, not simply the more obvious negatives of loss and confusion.

What is missing is a recognition that there exists today a generation that has come into its own with powerful lessons learned, with a voice that has been grounded in experiences both of those who went to Vietnam and those who did not.

What is missing and what cries out to be said is that neither one group nor the other from that difficult period of time has cornered the market on virtue or rectitude or love of country.

What saddens me most is that Democrats, above all those who shared the agonies of that generation, should now be refighting the many conflicts of Vietnam in order to win the current political conflict of a Presidential primary.

The race for the White House should be about leadership, and leadership requires that one help heal the wounds of Vietnam , not reopen them; that one help identify the positive things that we learned about ourselves and about our Nation, not play to the divisions and differences of that crucible of our generation.

We do not need to divide America over who served and how. I have personally always believed that many served in many different ways. Someone who was deeply against the war in 1969 or 1970 may well have served their country with equal passion and patriotism by opposing the war as by fighting in it. Are we

now, 20 years or 30 years later, to forget the difficulties of that time, of families that were literally torn apart, of brothers who ceased to talk to brothers, of fathers who disowned their sons, of people who felt compelled to leave the country and forget their own future and turn against the will of their own aspirations?

Are we now to descend, like latter-day Spiro Agnews, and play, as he did, to the worst instincts of divisiveness and reaction that still haunt America? Are we now going to create a new scarlet letter in the context of Vietnam ?

Certainly, those who went to Vietnam suffered greatly. I have argued for years, since I returned myself in 1969, that they do deserve special affection and gratitude for service. And, indeed, I think everything I have tried to do since then has been to fight for their rights and recognition.

But while those who served are owed special recognition, that recognition should not come at the expense of others; nor does it require that others be victimized or criticized or said to have settled for a lesser standard. To divide our party or our country over this issue today, in 1992, simply does not do justice to what all of us went through during that tragic and turbulent time.

I would like to make a simple and straightforward appeal, an appeal from my heart, as well as from my head. To all those currently pursuing the Presidency in both parties, I would plead that they simply look at America. We are a nation crying out for leadership, for someone who will bring us together and raise our sights. We are a nation looking for someone who will lift our spirits and give us confidence that together we can grow out of this recession and conquer the myriad of social ills we have at home.

We do not need more division. We certainly do not need something as complex and emotional as Vietnam reduced to simple campaign rhetoric. What has been said has been said, Mr. President, but I hope and pray we will put it behind us and go forward in a constructive spirit for the good of our party and the good of our country. "

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To those Clinton supporter's on the other thread arguing that Kerry owed him for the lukewarm support Clinton gave in 2004, consider that Clinton already owed Kerry - for this and for standing up for him on many things in the 1990s - including many military issues - where Kerry had the credibility he lacked.

[grantcart]

241. You need to start a seperate thread for this

[karynnj]

242. Good idea

[NorthernSpy]

209. Oxford and Yale couldn't change him. Bill is the same trash he always was.

Figures.

[Bensthename]

210. Why dont the Clintons just have a 3'some with McCain?

Since the Clintons arent going to win, it seems more and more they would like McBush elected over Obama.. Very Sad.

[biggerfishsmallpond]

211. McCain/Clinton 08?

From now on any remaining gloves must come off. I hear by officially regret defending Clinton during the 90s. We should have let the RW tear him to pieces. Yes Bill, 2 candidates that love the corprate empire. Obama and Dean must purge the corporatists from the Democratic party. They will cut down and stab in the back true progressive leaders.

[Scurrilous]

212. K & R

:thumbsup:

[workinclasszero]

214. The Clinton's are DLC neocons first, democrats a distant second

I think Hill and Bill will campaign for McCain in the fall.

[maddiejoan]

221. Come to find out

Bill said no such thing --and you (and MSNBC) are distorting what he said.

"I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country," said the former president. "And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."


What part of the above do you disagree with?

[jenmito]

225. Um, he said just what I said he said, with words in between which did NOT change the meaning...

I disagree with him CLEARLY implying that the two people who loved this country are McCain and Hillary, and NOT Obama, who has "all this other stuff" regarding the Wright flap, the flag pin flap, the hand-on-the-heart smear, etc. :eyes:

[EFerrari]

230. You must get dizzy from all that spinning. n/t

[maddiejoan]

245. Where's the spin?

I see some Obama supporters here spinning like tops to find racism in BJC's quote --where is it??

I don't even see him mentioning Obama at all, much less race.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

223. I need to know one fact before making any judgement on this comment

I really need to know if he prefaced these comments by specifically using the example of Hillary and McCain as the contenders or was he just making a generic comment without any names?

If he didn't link Hillary and McCain it is a relatively benign comment. "Other stuff" could refer to just about any of the political sleaze flotsam and jetsam that surfaces in our crappy personality driven, non-issue oriented races.

If he did first specifically characterize these comments as describing what a race between Hillary and McCain would look like, then the comments are odious and malignant.

[jenmito]

232. Here's the quote. He didn't mention anyone by name, but it's OBVIOUS who he was talking about:

"It'd be a great thing if we had an election where you had two people who love this country, who were devoted to the interest of the country and people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues instead of all this other stuff which always seems to intrude on our politics."

(There are only 3 people left in the race. Do the math...)

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

237. Well the MSNBC report I linked to below

clearly says that he was contemplating a race between Hillary and McCain, so he must have mentioned them. I really would like to see the full text of his remarks.

[jenmito]

253. Yes. He DID preface the statement by praising McCain and then Hillary, THEN

saying how great it would be if 2 people who loved their country...

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

236. Ok, got my answer. Odious and malignant

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/21/794670.aspx

At a small VFW hall in Charlotte, NC, today, former president Bill Clinton contemplated a McCain/Clinton general election matchup, saying that it would one between "two people who loved this country" without "all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

So much for trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

The subliminal message I think he is selling is:

If Hillary and McCain run, we won't have to deal with all this race stuff that keeps rearing its head.

[Bluerthanblue]

252. yikes- "intrude itself on "our" politics".

What is happening to Bill?

:shrug:

perhaps I never really knew him?- I hope that isn't true, but maybe I've been naieve.

peace~

[jenmito]

254. Thank you!

[goodgd_yall]

279. You caved in quickly

I've yet to see a fully contextual presentation of what Bill Clinton said. Your link tells me nothing.

[Unbowed]

255. He makes me want to...

hurl.

[jenmito]

256. You mean like this?:

:puke:

[Unbowed]

257. Perhaps.

But I could have meant...picking up the loutish boor by his ankles and swinging him over my head...no that wouldn't do...he's gotten rather pudgy lately, have you noticed?



:evilgrin:

[jenmito]

258. I guess so...

But I don't think you DID mean that for the very fact he DID gain a little weight back. :)

[Unbowed]

267. How wicked of us making fun of poor little Billy.

With that, I think it is time to hurl (the way you know I really meant it).

:7

[jenmito]

272. Well...

he deserves it! :puke:

[Unbowed]

289. Agreed. n/t

[Georgie_92]

259. He should be muzzled, or something.

[Cali_Democrat]

265. This is not the same Bill Clinton I remember

What happened to him? This is so sad and stunning.

:-(

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

268. Power? Money? More Power? More Money?

Sometimes the obvious answer is the simple answer is the true answer.

Unfortunately, he missed on the biggest message of all - he forgot what and who he was supposed to stand for. His brand is now tarnished. He now stands for no one. Not Democrats. Not Republicans. Not Liberals. Really not anyone at all except for himself and Hillary.

[Martin Eden]

266. Bill, can't you come up with something better than that?

The Bill Clinton I remember was a brilliant politician who knew the art of persuasion.

When he comes up with vacuous spin in support of his wife's campaign, I suspect he's grasping at straws for want of a more substantive and persuasive argument.

[crispini]

271. Please allow me to break it down for those of you who aren't getting it.

"I think it'd be a great thing if we had an election year" ... we might not have an election year like this.

"where you had two people who love this country," ... that would be Hillary and McCain, who love their country. Dunno about that other guy.

"who were devoted to the interest of the country, and people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues." ... So Hillary and McCain are the only two candidates who can give us a substantive, issue-based campaign

"instead of all this other stuff which always seems to intrude itself on our politics.".... This other stuff, like this week we have had all about that black preacher, (which Obama tried to turn into a substantive conversation on race, but race isn't a 'real' issue, it's all that other stuff.)

[jenmito]

274. Thanks. PLUS, the quote left out what he said BEFORE that part where he

heaped praise on McCain and then Hillary, so he was CLEARLY talking about them and dissing Obama at the same time.

[Splinter Cell]

273. My god...

He just put his foot so far down his throat he's gagging on it. You can't even respond to this. It's the most amazing pile of bull ever to come down the pike. Just....wow.

[jenmito]

276. I agree...

and I wish the FULL quote was somewhere. It even makes it worse since he precedes the statement by praising McCain for about 4 sentences!

[Arkana]

281. Say it ain't so, Bill...

Surely he must believe that the same would be true of an Obama v. McCain race.

Bill, don't make me lose the still-sizable amount of respect I have for you. Please.

[jenmito]

283. Oh-it be so!

If he DOES believe it, he sure won't say it publicly!

[Arkana]

285. I'm sorry, but I can't believe that Bill Clinton honestly believes

that Barack Obama doesn't love this country as much as his wife or John McCain.

I just can't.

If he does, however, it isn't racist on Clinton's part--but it is horribly ignorant and very damning.

[jenmito]

286. I don't think he believes it, but I think he's IMPLYING it, being that this is the

new narrative surrounding Wright's "Goddamn America" and other things like the smears about him not putting his hand over his heart, not wearing a flag pin, etc. I truly think he'll say anything to win, and the Clintons ARE trying to convince the superdelegates that he's not electable because of Wright.

[Oilwellian]

288. I saw the video clip on Olbermann before...

coming here and reading the quote. What is left out of the quote is what he said before. He was clearly referring to Hillary & McCain. After seeing it, I looked at my husband and asked if he thought Bill was just plugging a McCain/Hillary ticket. It was that obvious.

[Danger Mouse]

290. As opposed to Barack HUSSEIN!!!! Osama, right Bill?

God, Hillary needs to put a muzzle on him before he shoots hillary's campaign in the foot anymore.

[saltpoint]

291. Surely it had been recommended to keep the Big Dog on a short leash in

the campaign after South Carolina, but it looks like he slipped the rope and is at it again.

[npincus]

292. what a total asshole

[npincus]

293. dupe

[Freida5]

296. Obama was not part of the question. The Obama spin machine is all lies.

[jenmito]

301. There was no question Bill praised McCain, then his wife, then went on to say how great it would be

to have a race between two people who loved their country, blah blah blah. So if it was OBAMA vs. McCain, he implied, it would NOT be between two people who loved their country without "all this other stuff..." (the Wright stuff, the flag pin stuff, the hand on heart stuff...) :eyes:

[BlueManDude]

298. Right and and if Hillary were the nom there'd be none of that "other stuff"

in this campaign.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

299. Bill Clinton are you the Swiftboater?

[shayes51]

307. OMG, he should be so ashamed!

:sarcasm:
Give me a break.