Bill Richardson calls out Clinton advisor Mark Penn!!

[TeamJordan23]

Richardson calls out Clinton adviser

(CNN) – Bill Richardson criticized a Clinton campaign adviser Friday for suggesting his endorsement of Barack Obama is insignificant.

"I resent the fact that the Clinton people are now saying that my endorsement is too late because I only can help with Texans — with Texas and Hispanics, implying that that's my only value," the New Mexico governor told CNN's John King. "That's typical of some of her advisers that kind of turned me off."

Earlier Friday, Clinton campaign senior strategist Mark Penn said he thought Richardson's endorsement came too late to make an impact.

“The time that he could have been effective has long since passed," Penn told reporters on a conference call. "I don’t think it is a significant endorsement in this environment.”

In the interview Friday, Richardson also said he called Hillary Clinton Thursday to inform her of his decision to back Obama, a conversation he described as "painful."

"It was painful and it wasn't easy," he said. "I've spoken to others who have had that same conversation and they say at the end, it’s not all that pleasant."

The former Democratic presidential candidate declined to elaborate further on his conversation with Clinton.

Last month, Chris Dodd — another former presidential candidate who decided to endorse Obama last month — said he had a "not comfortable" conversation with Clinton informing her of the news.

Also in the interview Friday, Richardson said he ultimately decided to back Obama because the Illinois senator has "something special."

"I think that Sen. Obama has something special,” explained Richardson. “Something that can bring internationally America’s prestige back, that can deal with the race issue as he did so eloquently last week, that can deal with the domestic issues in a bipartisan way."

Richardson, who held posts as the Secretary of Energy and the U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. in President Clinton’s administration, also said he "owes a lot to the Clinton family but I served well. I paid it back in service to the country."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/richardson-calls-out-clinton-adviser/

[K Gardner]

1. HAH! I told you this was the daily MEME. Heard a surrogate say this exactly on MSNBC

this morning. Pathetic ! Thanks for posting this.

[Catch22Dem]

2. I really respect Bill Richardson

I have for a long time.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. Mark Penn: "Bill Richardson sneaks across candidacy lines to endorse Obama."

Penn continues: "Richardson is endorsing candidates that American delegates refuse to endorse."

[Debi]

11. He did NOT say that! Did he really say THAT?

OMG - what a piece of shit.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. You Damned Somebody On A Flat Out Lie

I wouldn't even do that for my own kin...

[Debi]

60. Outside if hooligan's joke

Penn is a piece of shit.

:hi: have a nice day!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

80. The Poster Lied About Somebody

It's Easter weekend

See Commandment #9


I don't like Penn either but making shit up about people offends my code of honor...


:hi: have a nice day

[Debi]

83. Please don't force your religious beliefs and needs on others n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

85. You Don't Have To Be Religious To Believe Lying Is Wrong

Thank you.

[Skidmore]

81. Penn is a Republican operative and I wonder why noone calls Hillary on her choice

of campaign manager. Her own management skills are piss poor given her selection of this man to represent her. Her character is further made questionable by the blatant conflict of interest presented by him being the boss of McCain's campaign manager, Charlie Black. Hillary is the last person who should be questioning anyone else's loyalty or judgement.

[anigbrowl]

22. Source please?

[patrick t. cakes]

43. what are " american Delegates"

why not say super delegates?

[Cha]

48. You're making that up, although, I

could see it coming from his pie hole.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

4. talk about sour grapes, Hillary Campaign acts like 8 year olds

when they don't get their way.

Boorish and FAKE FAKE FAKE..

[PoliticalAmazon]

9. ITA. I'm waiting for 'Nanny-nanny-poo-poo" next.

[fascisthunter]

5. What an Ignorant and Shallow Thing to Say

Clinton has some real creepy people working for.

[earthlover]

31. Quite frankly, Hillary's GLARE at Obama during the last debate showed me something....

When Obama was talking, Hillary glared at him as if she was going to go postal any moment.

I imagine her hatred came out when Richardson told her he was supporting Obama, and i imagine it came out also with Dodd.

You or me would be disappointed but would probably have said we were sorry you made thAt choice but we are still friends.

Somehow, I find it hard to imagine Hillary taking the news with any sort of courtesy....

[Cha]

51. My son mentioned that when

I said people were saying Obama didn't always look at hilary. He goes..I wouldn't look at her, either, with that glare like she wants to throw him off the track!

[catgirl]

6. Bill Richardson gave a great speech today

I'd love to see him as Obama's VP.

[Why Syzygy]

73. Me too! nt

[BeyondGeography]

7. They treat people as if they are disposable

What a dreary bunch they are.

[PoliticalAmazon]

12. Well, to Hillary Clinton, they are.

After she won the Senate election, she proceeded to use her influence to send American jobs to India. She proceeded to vote to start the Iraq war. She also voted her endorsement of the bankruptcy bill and patriot bill (twice).

She ignored the wishes and values of those who put her into office.

And here she is again, begging for our votes again, making promises that she will, without a doubt, immediately discard, just like she did when she was voted into the Senate.

[me b zola]

57. Obama talked about this issue at the rally today

She ignored the wishes and values of those who put her into office.

Sen. Obama didn't mention Sen Clinton-or anyone else, but he spoke about how citizens are crying out but not being listened to. Sen Obama spoke about returning government to, by, and for the people.

It was a great rally. :)

[LeFleur1]

89. What a Bunch of Liars

Hillary was elected Senator from her State TWICE. She got the vote of NY State in the Primary election. The voters she represents like her representation in the Senate. The people on this forum are hysterical. And I don't mean funny.

[Laurab]

94. Actually - I'm in her state and I voted Obama.

He did quite well in "her" state - far better than Hillary did in "his" state. She is an average Senator at best, and after watching this campaign, and all the dirty tricks she's used, I don't think I could even vote for her as a Senator again.

I'm not at all impressed with her "representation" in the Senate, and apparently, 40% of NYS agrees with me. In fact, I'd guess that the number is higher now, after watching the way the Clinton's "do anything to win" strategy, particularly the almost endorsement of the repuke candidate, and the dirty attacks on her Democratic rival. I'm ashamed to have voted for her as Senator.

[PoliticalAmazon]

8. At the rate she's dismissing people as "unimportant," she'll be lucky to keep her seat in the Senate

Who is going to be left to vote for her? Not anybody who didn't vote for her already. Not anybody who decided to endorse Obama. And even among her own supporters, aren't they going to, at some point, be embarassed to be associated with her?

I predict this will turn out like Richard Nixon, who won the presidency but, ten years later, I'll be damned if I could fine ONE Republican who would admit voting for him.

[biggerfishsmallpond]

27. don't worry

her time in the spotlignt is almost over.

[Stephanie]

42. I think if a prominent progressive Democrat challenged her, she'd be out.

I think Bobby Kennedy Jr. or someone like him could take her seat pretty easily. She only took it as a step to the presidency anyway. What has she done for New York?

[David Zephyr]

10. I despise Mark Penn and he's one of the chief reasons Hillary can't be Barack's VP.

The Clintons are rotten. This attack on Bill Richardson is simply sickening.

[Skidmore]

21. Mark Penn and his employee, Charlie Black, are ultimately about getting

McCain elected. They are Republican operatives running a Republican campaign, and the Clintons are fools.

[hisownpetard]

35. They wooed him and valued him until he chose the other candidate; now Richardson

is insignificant and without value.

That's the behavior of a true sociopath. People are only useful while they're serving a particular purpose;
after that, they get dumped like trash.

I'm glad that Richardson chose wisely. He's a good man.

[Nickster]

90. Exactly what I was thinking. He would have been praised as being so important if he backed Sen.

Clinton, now his endorsement is worthless. So very predictable.

[Cha]

49. So glad Guv Richardson responded...I imagine

John Edwards is taking note.

[WolverineDG]

13. Earth to Mark Penn:

The Hillary bus is can't get anywhere because you've thrown too many people under it.

dg

[FatDave]

68. Tired as I am of the phrase "thrown under the bus"...

That was damn funny WolverineDG!

[blonndee]

14. Governor Richardson...

Love ya!! :yourock:

I know this wasn't an easy decision for him and to come out publicly in support of someone other than his close friends the Clintons says a lot about what he believes in, and a LOT about what he (and probably other long-time Democratic leaders) think about Senator Obama.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

15. Mark Penn is such a piece of trash.

I can't help but wonder how different Hillary's campaign would be today if she had never hired him.

[Cha]

50. But, that's the core of hilary..she wanted the

bulldozer.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

16. Just when I think I've seen the depths of where this Clinton Camp will go

They dig Deeper.

shakes head.

[XemaSab]

17. I'll come clean here:

Richardson was my first choice for president, but it became clear pretty quickly that he wasn't going to get the nomination, so I never became devoted to him.

Right now reading this and watching his endorsement of Obama, I'm feeling the warm fuzzies for the man I never really felt at the outset of his candidacy. :D

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

25. For this female, the beard didn't hurt either.

Yuuummm. Love that look!

[hisownpetard]

36. Loved the beard.

[eridani]

77. I dunno. Sort of covers up those cute pinchable chubby cheeks, no?

Beard looks good in a different way.

[Strelnikov_]

34. On issues I was a lot closer to Richardson

But, alas, politics is the 'art of the possible', I caucused for Obama because he seemed to be the only one that could stave off the Electoral College disaster that would be a Clinton candidacy.

Richardson did pretty well at my precinct caucus.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2588760&mesg_id=2599336

[40ozDonkey]

70. Same, I'd hoped Kerry would pick Richardson for VP in '04 as well.

But Edwards grew on me.

[LTR]

79. Richardson's a good guy, but one idea he had was a dealbreaker for me

Namely a plan he came up with to divert Great Lakes water to the parched Southwest. A plan that he backed off of following a massive uproar.

I live in a Great Lakes state, and I was appalled when I heard that. I deal with 4-6 months of cold, snowy, shitty weather every year and one of the things that gets me through that misery is the fact that I don't have to worry much about drought. Meanwhile, millions of people flock to a desert who's natural resources can't support massive populations, enormous golf courses, gargantuan fountains, etc.

If these people want water, they can shovel out their driveways every winter like the rest of us. If they want to live in a desert and want to whine about not being able to water their lawns or get a glass of water in a restaurant, then why did they move where there's no water? Hell, I'd love to live in a place like New Mexico. It's a beautiful state. But I realize the disadvantages of living there too.

[redstate_democrat]

18. So now the Clinton campaign

is throwing Hispanics under the bus. They are unimportant now. But in Texas and California, she needed them and condescendingly pandered to them for votes. Now, since Pennsylvania is now the "important", important state, to hell with them.

:puke:

[earthlover]

32. Now Clinton is concerned about the conservative Dems who don't like BLACKS in PA

If I knew nothing about Hillary than this, that would be enough to wish she would lose.

[Cha]

52. Yeah, like there aren't any more Hispanics

left to vote in the Primaries. :crazy:

Jeeze, instead of saying..he respects Richardson's decision he comes out and disses it! Like that's worked so well in the past.

[uponit7771]

19. Richardson was this Gen-x black male pic for prez BEFORE Obama so I agree with him on his Hispanic..

...comment

[Coexist]

20. Holy shit - he basically just said

he's just a Latino vote getter, according to the Clinton campaign.

[Raffi Ella]

23. oooo big deal.

He's formally thrown his hat into the Obama ring,he wants him to win.Ofcourse he's gonna say bad things about Hillary and Co.

[Lucky 13]

39. Or maybe...

... she really is as monstrous as we've heard rumors about. How many different accounts of nastiness do you need before that POSSIBILITY might be considered?

[Cha]

53. Well, the rest of that quote from

Samantha Powers was .."she's a monster, she'll stoop to anything"! Have we seen "anything", yet?

[Mooney]

61. He didn't say anything bad about Hillary or Bill at all.

In fact he was very gracious in his comments about them.

As for Mark Penn, he deserves to have bad things said about him, and Richardson didn't even really go there. Mark Penn is a big reason why Hillary Clinton is in the situation she's in now. She went into this race with every advantage and should have had this all locked up two months ago, and she has Mark Penn's "strategizing" to thank for the fact that her only hope to win the nomination now is if Obama gets hit by lightning.

It never should have come to this, and Mark Penn is why. The fact that Richardson didn't call him a vile, oleaginous piece of shit was very charitable of him.

[City Lights]

24. Way to go, Gov. Richardson!

Throw their shit right back at them.

[Raven]

26. What do I take this to mean? Is Bill Richardson only good for

the hispanic vote and so, with Texas over, who care what he thinks???

[grantcart]

28. Last week I had a thread that showed the Clintons lost 10 delegates in Iowa

After the 2nd stage had taken place. One of the premises of the thread was that after the caucuses the Clintons dissed Iowa and the caucuses and that was likely to be a major factor for their delegate loss.



New Mexico has 6 superdelegates all committed to Clinton.


Clinton dissing you; the superdelegate gift that keeps on giving

[Cha]

54. Jeeze grant, they didn't learn from

Iowa? Do you think they think the FIX is already in and they can say anything and hilary will be the nominee?

[BumRushDaShow]

29. Glad he called him out.

Penn needs to be called out on his daily slime.

[Strelnikov_]

33. "they say at the end, it’s not all that pleasant." . ."had a not comfortable conversation "

Hmm.

Reminds me of someone else . . .

[hisownpetard]

37. Imagine if they could say what they really want to, dispensing with the political euphemisms.

I'll bet she tore them a new one!

[tabasco]

40. I bet she cried

and begged him to change his mind.

[JVS]

46. nah, I'm thinking invective was applied

[hisownpetard]

64. I bet she didn't cry. She just got nasty.

[NashVegas]

38. Is That It? Richardson Is Pissed Because Penn Said What ANY AND EVERY Oppositing Strategist Would?

The Republicans are going to tear the Obama campaign apart if they make it to the GE.

[dansolo]

88. This is not what a good opposing strategist would do

If the goal is to gain the nomination, the last thing you want to do is alienate a large block of potential voters in the general election. Even if Hillary got the nomination, do you think that Hispanic voters will forget this? Penn could have downplayed it by saying that he is just one superdelegate, and that he wasn't more significant than any other, and left it at that. Penn's comments were just idiotic.

[Yes We Did]

41. It's not just clinton's people who are creepy... It's Hillary Clinton herself

Bill and Hillary's behavior in general reflects the kind of scorched earth campaign they desire to run. They are vindictive and petty and have run a horrendously bad campaign. The machine has been out campaigned. She, like Bush has a very negative effect on the electorate. It's no wonder she doesn't have higher negatives.

[zulchzulu]

44. Here's something Richardson could use on future Penn attacks

[Cha]

56. What a charming bunch hilary and bil have

hitched their worn out wagon.

[JVS]

45. Hey, this guy is alright by me.

[Cha]

47. What does miss hilary say to make it not so

pleasant? One can only imagine..let's hope more have to make "the call".

"It was painful and it wasn't easy," he said. "I've spoken to others who have had that same conversation and they say at the end, it’s not all that pleasant."

Thank you, Guv Richardson, for making this decision to throw your support to our candidate, Barack Obama! You carry a lot of gravitas and the clintons' campaign has a history of down playing everything that does worship at the altar of hilary.

[Scurrilous]

55. K & R

:thumbsup:

[meow mix]

58. People only matter when they are worth something. How can she be more clear about that?

she has reinforced this belief of her's... over and over and over. its sick. she even threw fuckin socks the cat away.

[polichick]

65. What happened to Socks? :(

[liberaldem4ever]

71. They said they gave Socks to Betty Curry

She worked for Bill Clinton and they said that Betty could give him a good home. I think I still have the book written about Socks.

[bvar22]

92. Exactly!

Socks no longer served a purpose to Hillary.
Socks was discarded.

There is NO WAY I could discard ANY of my pets, and I don't respect ANYONE who does.

[liberaldem4ever]

100. Me either

My pets are family. I never could understand under any circumstances how someone could have a pet for years and just take it to the pound and leave it knowing it would probably be killed. That breaks my heart to think about it.

[stevietheman]

59. "Painful" kind of describes our experiences with Hillary supporters as well. :) n/t

n/t

[pompano]

62. Jeez!

"implying that was my only value" thats bad enough.

What does that say about their (Penn's) value of Texas voters? Unbelievable. They are so easily disregarded after they help Clinton. The way I read it?

[2rth2pwr]

63. Good job Bill, you've learned already that if you're with Obama

everything has to be twisted to something racial.

quick learner, I'll give him that.

[jgraz]

74. Y'know, to say something like that while Faux Snooze is still playing Rev Wright clips 24/7

is pretty fucking despicable. Open your eyes.

[polichick]

66. That's really sad stuff...

Good on Richardson and Dodd for choosing the bright side of the road!

[Faygo Kid]

67. Telling Hillary no: ". . . they say at the end, it’s not all that pleasant."

I am absolutely sure Hillary makes crystal clear her feelings to anyone denying her the coronation.

Pretty telling statements there.

[krkaufman]

69. "at the end, it’s not all that pleasant"

Sure would like to get some elaboration on that statement, but I doubt we ever will.

Is there just sadness and an understanding to disagree, or is their animosity and vitriol?

[Why Syzygy]

72. It wouldn't be too late if he were to endorse her.

Unpleasant call, no doubt. I'm sure the Shrill skank let them have the full blast of her sniper viciousness.

[Tatiana]

75. Here is the video:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/03/21/king.richardson.intv.cnn

This text article says "That's typical of some of her advisers that kind of turned me off."

But I think the video shows (about 3:45 into it) that Richardson refers to "his" advisers.

[gulliver]

76. I have never seen anything but "mediocre" out of Richardson.

Every appearance of his I have seen, going back to his days as Energy Secretary, has been sub-average...boring yet incompetent. I would be glad to have someone point me to anything he has ever said or done that does not scream mediocrity.

[blonndee]

78. Good thing nearly 70% of New Mexicans disagree and that he has been

lauded as one of the top governors of the United States. Clearly you really have no interest in learning anything about Bill, as any cursory google search could tell you.

[gulliver]

95. I go by video and writings.

I've seen Richardson on talking heads shows, in the debates, in interviews. I've read things he has written, most recently blogs on HuffPo. Every single one of them screams "mediocre." During the Clinton admin, I remember Richardson on MTP, floundering and fumbling. Every time I see him he is "flounder, fumble," then some big planned bombshell "Get out of Iraq now!!!". Then more flounder/fumble.

Would Richardson be a governor now if Clinton had not given him a cabinet position? Basically Clinton put Richardson on the presidency track.

[FrenchieCat]

82. Richardson ain't mincing words......

He's calling them out!

Pretty soon, the Hillary will have no one to vote for her at all in the GE!

[Vinca]

84. I hope this will spur some other party "names" to come out

from under the bed and take a stand one way or another. Mark Penn and James Carville are the best illustration of why there is hesitation at all to stand by Obama. If you diss the Clintons, you pay.

[cyberpj]

86. The Billary campaign only wanted Richardsons' endorsement before Texas primary - it's very telling

they say he's useless now --- since that's all they want to do is use people any way they can to win right now.

[cooolandrew]

87. He is making a very strong case for the VP slot. He has my immense admiration.

[Seabiscuit]

91. Why is Richardson so obsessed with race and his hispanic background?

According to the article: “The time that he could have been effective has long since passed," Penn told reporters on a conference call. "I don’t think it is a significant endorsement in this environment.”

Penn said absolutely nothing about "Texas and Hispanics" and said absolutely nothing about "implying that's my only value".

How Richardson can misinterpret Penn's words in that way can only be explained by a paranoid obsession with his own hispanic background. A paranoid man obsessed with race endorsing another paranoid man obsessed with race.

Texas has NOT "long since passed". It was a pretty damned recent event.

It would be far more reasonable to interpret Penn's words as meaning "the days before Super Tuesday" have long since passed. But he didn't say that, either.

Bill Richardson just diminished himself with his own words.

[Hepburn]

93. You have a problem with someone being proud of his/her racial or ethnic background?

Soooooo....I guess all the Wearing o' the Green on St. Patrick's Day was offensive to you, too?

:eyes:

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

96. why does Penn say he is now irrelevant?

You don't think its because the primaries with high hispanic poplulations are over?

Read the writing on the wall.

[Radical Activist]

97. Clearly, Penn and Carville saw Richardson as nothing but a token.

It's obvious form their comments. Hillary probably feels the same way.

[LittleClarkie]

98. Penn needed to get together with Carville. If it's insignificant, it can't also be a Judas move

It would be to insignificant to be a Judas move.

[Life Long Dem]

99. Yep. Texas has passed, so they don't need Richardson.

How low is that?

[bvar22]

101. "at the end, it’s not all that pleasant"