Hillary supporters, why would you want to win via

[youknowmenotdlc]

a last minute superdelegate manuever?

Would you really place your candidate above the party knowing full well that such an event would be suprremely damaging to the party?

Just asking, since it appears as this is the only way Hillary could win.

[leftofcool]

1. Thems the rules

deal with it

[gcomeau]

3. That wasn't the question.

[meow mix]

7. ?rules. there wont be any more rules because there wont be any more party. it will be defunct and..

then it will have to dissolve. permanently.

[fascisthunter]

14. Rules Don't Matter to Hillary When they Don't Suit Her

I wouldn't go there if I were supporting her.

[joshcryer]

44. She's never attempted to break the rules.

[fascisthunter]

50. That's Another Lie (nt)

[Yavin4]

And If The Party Overturns The Will Of The Democratic Voters

Then it, and you, can go fuck itself, and my friend, I won't be alone in that sentiment. More than half of the Democratic party WON'T support a nominee who was chosen by a room full of fat cats.

Deal with that.

[Blarch]

48. I agree.

the party will die.

[rhett o rick]

18. That's the attitude that will get McCain elected. But then you don't care do you.? nm

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[youknowmenotdlc]

5. You can attack the poster, thats fine

but at least answer the question if you are going to post in the thread.

[Bluebear]

17. Um, I believe you are "the poster" they were addressing lol

[ClassWarrior]

6. Asking questions is divisive? Welcome to GWBush**'s America.

NGU.

[paulk]

43. it's the same shit day after day after day

asking questions that are deliberate in their attempts to drive a wedge between Obama supporters and Clinton supporters?

I think a lot of these folks are being sent over here by the RNC...

[rhett o rick]

19. So a star makes you smarter? Not really sure of your point. nm

[high density]

34. Well I've been registered here for a while and I donate at least once a year

So I can copy and paste the OP into a post of mine if that makes it somehow more useful.

[Ravy]

4. It doesn't look like either candidate will get enough pledged delegates to win.

So, neither of them can win without superdelegate help.

[ClassWarrior]

8. True, but that wasn't the OP's question.

NGU.

[Ravy]

28. Well, I think anyone can answer that question for themselves.

If the premise is that the election will not be decided until the convention, then the winning camp will get the nomination due to the manuvering of the superdelegates. I suppose Clinton supporters would feel the same way that Obama supporters would.

I don't think it will come to that.

[Skip Intro]

9. Sigh. No one will have enough pledged dels to win. The super dels WILL decide.

Why are you so afraid of the process?

[ClassWarrior]

10. True, but that wasn't the OP's question.

Why are you so afraid to answer?

NGU.

[Skip Intro]

15. I do not buy the premise of the OP's question. Do you have a question?

[Blarch]

49. Jeeeesh

Even my dog understands the question.

[high density]

32. The issue seems to be too subtle for them

They can't seem to consider both the super delegates and the pledged delegates as existing in the same system. They always have to act like the super delegates are numskulls that exist in a vacuum out on the moon, like they're supposed to make a decision with no external input on the matter.

[Barack_America]

11. .

:popcorn:

Waiting to see if one of them is brave enough to directly answer the question.

[ClassWarrior]

35. .

Hmmm... how's the popcorn?

NGU.

[Barack_America]

36. .

I'm getting full waiting for an honest answer.

Much longer and I think I might :puke:

[ClassWarrior]

38. .

I think all the spinning going on in here is going to make me :puke:

NGU.

[sueragingroz]

12. if he's 30% in the polls at that point

you are darned tootin that I do!

[Nitrogenica]

13. There are stadiums filled with support all over the country for Obama.

There would have to be an effort to reach out to them by the Clinton camp if they won.

[OzarkDem]

26. Why aren't they showing up in the polls against McCain?

Because he is polling well ahead of Obama now. All those stadiums apparently don't add up to enough votes to win the GE. Its the math.

[Nitrogenica]

29. Don't give me that "math" crap. ANY Democrat would destroy McLame.

[emilyg]

39. Not true. IMO

[rug]

16. Obama also needs a superdelegate maneuver. Perhaps it's the timing you object to.

[ClassWarrior]

20. No, he just needs a clean super delegate vote.

NGU.

[high density]

23. Obviously either candidate needs the super delegates for 2024

Whether or not they want to override the primaries and caucuses we've held is the question.

[rhett o rick]

21. Hello, we don't live in a democracy. It isn't what the people want, it's what the corporations want

And they clearly don't want Obama. They want McCain or Clinton. The hell with the people.

[high density]

22. That's a great question

The Clinton people want the grassroots of the party (us) to be overridden by the party insiders. Then they think the people who voted for Obama, people like me who spent 4.5 hours in a caucus to cast a vote, will just shrug and go on with life as if nothing happened. Nope, this will be like the Supreme Court installing Bush in 2000, except it was perpetrated by party insiders instead of the Supreme Court. The second this happens I am marching down to city hall to switch my registration to independent. Hillary will get my vote to protect the supreme court, but I won't identify myself as a Democrat any longer and I certainly won't give them any money or time.

[guruoo]

24. Couldn't blame her a bit after the swiftboating she's taken from

<cough> members of her own party.

[high density]

27. You don't seem to know what swiftboating is

She was number one and the media's darling Ms. Inevitable until Iowa. She's been crashing and burning since the voting started with no outside accelerants needed.

[guruoo]

31. Welcome to DU. Oh, wait...

high density Donating Member (1000+ posts)

Sorry. Forgot to check that first.

[high density]

33. Yeah that was a coherent response

Thanks for spending the bandwidth on that one.

[guruoo]

37. Sorry you missed it

[pocoloco]

40. and visa versa

[guruoo]

45. Now, yes

[OzarkDem]

25. We want Dems to win the GE

and trust the superdelegates to make decisions with those interests first and foremost.

When will Obama supporters stop putting a primary victory ahead of a Dem victory in the GE?

[ClassWarrior]

30. I'd trust the SDs to decide on their own. But the question was about manipulation.

NGU.

[guruoo]

47. manipulation, or influence?

[ClassWarrior]

52. "Influencing" the SDs to reverse the will of the voters strikes me as...

...manipulation.

NGU.

[LVjinx]

41. Obama also can only win with superdelegates.

[ClassWarrior]

42. Yes, he needs a clean SD vote, and she needs a manipulated one.

NGU.

[Tom Rinaldo]

46. OK, define the manipulation you allude to

and why whatever it is you describe as manipulation is "the only way Hillary could win."

[ClassWarrior]

53. Convincing the SDs to overturn the pledged delegate count.

NGU.

[otohara]

51. It Would Feel Like 2000

all over again for me. I would never trust the democratic party again, I would drop out of politics altogether.

Flame me now, before I go take a shower.