Question: What else is Hillary lying about?

[dailykoff]

Answer: just about everything, including her plans for getting out of Iraq, which is the biggest whopper of them all. Not only will she not budge from Iraq but she's planning on making Iran the centerpiece of her reelection.

Dream on, Hilla-Mitty. :rofl:

[ProSense]

1. NAFTA:

Hillary still trying to prove she opposed NAFTA

Hillary on the record:

Video: Hillary Clinton in support of NAFTA

Audio from 1996: Hillary's full comment (at about 20:50 mins.)

Also, from the DLC site:

We all know the record of the DLC, the Progressive Policy Institute and, of course, the Clinton-Gore Administration. The economic recovery plan stands first and foremost as a testament to both good ideas and political courage. National service. The Brady Bill. Family Leave. NAFTA. Investment in science and technology. New markets. Charter schools. The Earned Income Tax Credit. The welfare to work partnership. The COPS program. The SAFER program. All of these came out of some very fundamental ideas about what would work.

link

[dailykoff]

2. Oh hell yes!

Where would WalMart be without NAFTA? NAFTA is the Clinton's prize pig! :rofl:

[LWolf]

3. Better question:

Is there anything either one of them are NOT lying about?

[dailykoff]

4. Let's check the record:

Obama's 2002 Speech Against the Iraq War: Senator Barack Obama (D-Il), then an Illinois state senator, delivered these remarks in October 2002 at the Federal Plaza in Chicago:



"I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil.

I Don't Oppose All Wars

"I don't oppose all wars. My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil.

"I don't oppose all wars. After September 11, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again.

Opposed to Dumb, Rash Wars

"I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

"What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income, to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

"That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics."

from full speech at link: http://usliberals.about.com/od/extraordinaryspeeches/a/Obama2002War.htm?rd=1

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Compare their votes:

Hillary:
- NO on Amendment No. 4882 that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.
- YES on Bankruptcy bill (S.256) which stripped protections for people in debt.
- YES on Kyle/Lieberman bill that sets the stage for the US to take military action against Iran.
- YES on the Iraq War Resolution.
- Hillary refused to sign the AFC Anti-Torture Pledge.

OBAMA:
- YES on Amendment No. 4882 that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.
- NO on Bankruptcy bill (S.256) which stripped protections for people in debt.
- In response to the Kyle/Lieberman bill that sets the stage for the US to take military action against Iran Obama drafted legislation stating that Congress did not grant President Bush the authority to attack Iran, either through the Kyl-Lieberman amendment or any resolution previously adopted.
- Not then in the Senate but took a public stand against the Iraq War Resolution
- OBAMA signed the AFC Anti-Torture Pledge.


McCain:
- NO on Amendment No. 4882 that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.
- YES on Bankruptcy bill (S.256) which stripped protections for people in debt.
- YES on Kyle/Lieberman bill that sets the stage for the US to take military action against Iran.
- YES on the Iraq War Resolution.
- McCain refused to sign the AFC Anti-Torture Pledge.

original post by grassfed: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4990975&mesg_id=4990975

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Check their state legislative experience (Hillary has none):

[LWolf]

13. Once was enough.

There are some of us who are not moved by Obama's admittedly eloquent speeches.One major disagreement I have with the vast majority of voters is in using speeches to evaluate candidates instead of actual actions.

I disagree with Obama right there, of course. I think ALL wars are "dumb wars." I think war is the non-thinking, unethical way to solve problems.

Obama's 2002 speech is nice. Of course, the fact that he supported the Iraq war from the moment he got to congress and started voting to fund it is problematic. He didn't vote "no" to funding until he was well into his primary campaign.

Those votes to fund the war make his spoken opposition a lie, from where I stand. You don't vote to fund an action you believe to be wrong. At least, you don't if you have any integrity.

[niceypoo]

5. This is exactly what the Republicans did to Gore in 2000

http://www.socyberty.com/Politics/Al-Gore-Not-A-Liar-Greedy-Media-and-Gullible-Public.29415

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/10/gore200710

I am curious when Obama's 'supporters' will begin talking about policy, and his record, or is negative all we will ever get from them?

[dailykoff]

7. See above.

and happy Easter! :hi:

[MethuenProgressive]

6. Congratulations on posting the 101st thread trying to divert attion from PastorGate!

How is this spamming of DU working out for you?

[dailykoff]

8. I think Richardson and passportgate already put that one to rest.

Not to mention snipergate. :rofl:

[MethuenProgressive]

12. You mean "Top Obama Adviser Behind Passportgate"?

Hey, I've been meaning to ask. How do I get on the daily "Let's pretend to be outraged over this trivial bit of nonsense to smear the Clintons and distract the voters," Obama O-mail loop. Do I just sell my soul and get automatically signed up?

[Lerkfish]

9. LOL! I knew I missed one! plonk!

buh bye.

[Scurrilous]

10. K & R

:thumbsup:

[ecstatic]

11. This is a serious question

We've endured 7+ years of an administration that we absolutely cannot trust. Do you know how demoralizing it is to not feel confidence in your own government?

I DO NOT WANT to go through that again.

[greyghost]

14. If she's talking, she's lying.