Why aren't Hillary supporters more upset with HER?

[Kablooie]

The election was hers to lose.
If she had run her campaign more effectively she could have won, picked Obama as VP and everyone would have been happy.

But she didn't.

It isn't Obama's fault she's losing.

It's hers.

[Forkboy]

1. Rule #1 of American life....

It's ALWAYS someone else's fault.

[KittyWampus]

24. these days, for certain. It's sick the way too many parents can't imagine their little Johnny

could do anything wrong.

And if a teacher or adult in charge of the kid's activity were to imply otherwise to the parent, the TEACHER gets chewed out.

[Forkboy]

30. Yep. It's not confined to any party, any race, or any gender.

A sad by product of the Me generation I suspect.

And naturally, this is a generalization and won't apply to every single person. But close. I've been guilty of it too, and try to catch myself anytime I start thinking way now. Not always successfully, but I try.

[Kurovski]

32. It stems from corporate-think. The 80's were just swell for that.

A human failing raised to the level of a "lesson in how to succeed."

It's wearing thin.

[Forkboy]

33. Excellent point.

It's come to fruition now where failure is success, at least in the Bush Misadministration.

I want to live in Iceland. :)

[Kurovski]

34. Isn't Bjork from there?

Let's go! :-)

[Forkboy]

36. Yeah, but I won't hold that against them....

:yoiks:

Here's a great clip from French and Saunders with Dawn French as Bjork. This cracks me up, and I heard that even Bjork thought it was funny as hell. Dawn French is one of the funniest humans to ever stride the planet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4qwyq3YYtI

[Kurovski]

37. LOL!

Bjork in the supermarket! The sweater-ette color is perfect.

Here's the original alien-girl. I'm emotionally sick enough to love this (Human Behaviour):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOepheinkCM

EDIT: "As seen on Beavis and Butthead"!

[Forkboy]

39. I pick on her but I actually like her quirkiness.

I'd rather listen to her than just about anything mainstream. At least she keeps you curious as to what's coming next, and is odd enough that even a crusty mofo like me can appreciate it. And her videos are always good. Even my friend, who is into stranger stuff than me (hard to believe such a creature exists) likes her. Anything odd is good to us...and she's odd. :)

Thanks for the vid, that was cool....love the drum! It reminds me of an agit-prop band called The Dog Faced Hermans at times, and that's a great compliment.

[Kurovski]

41. I love the drums.

And we just hijacked a thread right-good! :hi: :thumbsup:

[Forkboy]

43. ....

:spray:

I guess we did. :rofl:

[Asgaya Dihi]

51. Sometimes it is

Authority also needs to understand that each kid is different and just because you think you've seen something before that doesn't make you right about it. We had major conflicts with a TAG teacher of all people because my oldest was a natural speed reader and this teacher couldn't accept that so accused him of screwing off in classs, staring out the window instead of reading.

My wife went in and argued the point so they tested him them and there, he didn't more than scan the page then tested perfect on it, he not only read it but understood every word. What's he supposed to do, play dumb and just stare at the page after he's finished to satisfy a stubborn teacher who doesn't know as much as they think they do?

I agree with you about some kids and I've seen it myself but it would also do the teachers or other authority some good to remember that just because they were right one time that doesn't mean they know jack about the next kid. "I've seen a dozen just like you" is one of the most condescending and insulting attitudes they can take and too many in authority seem quick to take it. Had a few problems of the sort myself with cops when I was young.

[MichiganVote]

2. um....cuz' the Obama supporters do all the work for them?

[NashVegas]

3. I Accepted Hillary's Faults From the Beginning

Considering the outrageously lopsided press she's gotten, in addition to the constant paddling by blogging Obama hacks, that she has 49% of the votes and 47% of the delegates is an astounding affirmation of what a remarkably good candidate she is. Anyone else's campaign would have crumbled by now.

[mckeown1128]

17. yeah cause a whole year of "she is the inevitable nominee"

is so fair... if anyone else had lost the primaries like she has been... they would be called a huckabeesque joke. She has and is still getting a free ride. Why hasn't she been vetted... ohh because any scandal of hers is old boring news... only Obama scandals are ratings grabbers let's focus on his scandals.

[SoCalDem]

19. lopsided press like the multi-year presumption that SHE was the winner

before anyone was even running against her?? That lopsided press? The press where they crowned her the presumptive winner, and wondered why anyone would even run against her? That press?

She pissed it away because she hired idiots to run her campaign, she couldn't keep Bill's big trap shut amd she chose to plan only as far as Feb 5..

She believed her own spin.. & that's wut-dun-'er-in..

[Kahuna]

22. LOL, SCD! I just noticed your new signature...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[SoCalDem]

25. Thanks.. I made it last night

:)

[NashVegas]

31. Don't Believe Me, Fine. How About Howie and Dana?

KURTZ (12/29/07): For example, Hillary Clinton. Let's say she doesn't win Iowa. Let's say she gets edged out by 1,000 votes. Is the press going to savage her as a loser?

MILBANK: The press will savage her no matter what, pretty much.

KURTZ: If she wins?

MILBANK: Well, obviously if she wins by any great margin—the press with Hillary Clinton, it's a poisonous relationship. And I visited the various campaigns out there. It's a mutual sort of disregard. And they really have their knives out for her, there's no question about it out there. So—

KURTZ: And to what extent do you think that is affecting the coverage of Senator Clinton?

MILBANK: I think it unquestionably is. And I think Obama gets significantly better coverage than Hillary Clinton does, and given an equal performance he'll come out better for it.

KURTZ: Is this because journalists like Obama better than Hillary or—

MILBANK: It's more that they dislike Hillary Clinton. There is a long history there, her antagonism towards the press. It's returned in spades. And it is a venomous relationship that I see out there.

[dansolo]

27. Lopsided press?

She was LOSING. What do you expect the press to say?

[MethuenProgressive]

4. Because we don't believe everything FOX news, Drudge, and Bob Novak say about her.

Why do Obama supporters believe everything they hear?

edit: removed a stray B

[SoFlaJet]

6. wait a minute

I for one, do not WATCH Fox news or read either Novak OR Drudge-why have all the Clinton supporters decided that anybody critical of her (KO for one) are now as bad as any of the RWers you stated?

[Umbram]

42. They are incapable of believing that Hillary mismanaged her campaign

they are completely in "Clinton is a victim" mode. Worse, some of them have even decided that THEY are victims.

[totodeinhere]

29. Lately all of those right wing outlets have been much more critical of Obama.

[MethuenProgressive]

38. now that they're done destroying Clinton as planned, they'll move on to Obama.

The RW feared Clinton.

[Johnny__Motown]

35. do you believe your own eyes and ears?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2rtBUfc6YA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c

[donheld]

Too many around DU find no fault in Hillary EVER

but it's the Obama people they say are "cultists"

[PBS Poll-435]

8. Right...

Keep telling yourself that.

[WinkyDink]

16. And there's a post that has an Obama supporter finding fault with him? Please link. Thanks.

[Cyrano]

5. To quote Forrest Gump, "Stupid is as stupid does."

I am not a Hillary hater or supporter. Yet, if she somehow manages to get nominated, I'll vote for her before I'd cast a vote for McCain or any other thug.

Having said this, Hillary couldn't have done more damage to her own campaign had she intentionally set out to destroy herself. Who would have believed that a woman of her intelligence could have been so incredibly stupid?

As Yogi Berra might have said in this situation, "I guess blind ambition makes you not be able to see."

[Bullet1987]

7. I agree...she had everything going for her

1. Name Recognition
2. Money
3. Machine

Her campaign has suffered badly thus far because they made some dire mistakes early on. They didn't take into account any kind of grassroots activity. Clinton basically allowed Obama to take the entire netroots and grassroots by storm unchallenged. She resorted to the big donors figuring the race would be over before they maxed out. That leads me to my second point...they had NO backup plan! Their biggest fault was that they didn't see themselves losing, so they didn't plan for it. There was very much this sense of inevitability, coronation, and this being her "turn." I think Clinton's scorched earth campaigning is every much a response to her lack of a fallback plan, and how far ahead Obama is right now and how desperate she's become.

[Liberal Gramma]

9. No plan B

Isn't that how we got into this mess in Iraq? I for one prefer a president who considers all the alternatives, no matter how unlikely, and has contingency plans for all scenarios.

[Liberal Veteran]

11. In an of itself, the fact that she was caught unprepared for a real challenge....

....underscores why she should not get the nomination.

[Window]

15. That's it in a nut shell.

[TheDeathadder]

10. first off why not just "her" instead of "HER" - seems crazy

second after she crushes Obama in Penn the Democratic party will wake up and get behind Clinton, the only one who can crush McCain, can bury McCain. McCain will beat on Obama like a drum. For months we'll be hearing "Get McCain off me!!" while Obama supporters will be crying "Why won't Obama fight back? Stop McCain from beating on Obama!! Help!!"

Obama people should be mad at Obama for not sealing the deal and allowing Clinton her second wind. You Obama people are going to be pissed, because he's not going to win anything.

[Kablooie]

12. It's to give verbal emphasis. I can't do italics here.

If she does crush Obama, she will have proven herself a masterful politician.

Shame she has to crush him at the last minute instead of keeping a strong lead from the beginning.

[TheDeathadder]

13. well look at the polarity

he started strong - she's finishing strong

Every state gets a say and we get a real convention.

though this forum board is going to lose it's mind.

[sallyseven]

14. What mind?

They are all in love with what they individually think is Obama.

[TheDeathadder]

44. yeah

and yeah

[azmouse]

20. They must be the new talking points from Hillary HQ.

Sorry. They are neither very good nor very believable.

[TheDeathadder]

45. Please don't be sorry

you can't help being unable to conceive the truth

[Bullet1987]

21. She's not winning the big states without the Black vote...period!

So all this talk about her ability to win the big states means nothing for a General Election if she's alienated a very loyal voting block of the Party.

[TheDeathadder]

46. you know nothing about a general election

your words are pointless

[Kahuna]

28. Really? Considering that Obama is running against "BILLARY." not just

Hillary, it's amazing that he has managed to cop and maintain the lead this long.

I know you're hoping the rednecks in Philly will save the day, but I don't think the SDs will be at all impressed.

[TheDeathadder]

47. well looks like you know nothing at all

welcome to my country

[grassfed]

18. When Hillary's admirers realize an Obama presidency

will mark the end to Land Mines, Torture, Illegal Wars, Warrantless Spying on American activists and so many other of Mrs. Clinton's cherished issues, they'll be outraged. Their dreams of a "tough", child maming, torturing, renditioning, evesdropping woman in the White House will be forever lost.

[rainbow4321]

23. Because she signs their paychecks?

Or in HRC's case, their IOU slip.

[TragedyandHope]

26. Because the Hillary supporters that are truly upset are no longer Hillary supporters n/t

[VolcanoJen]

40. The biggest blunder she made was failing to have a February 6th strategy.

It's staggering in retrospect. Watching Obama rack up all those victories in a row had to have her campaign staff in a tizzy. I mean, if you can't successfully run a Primary campaign, I don't see how you make the argument that "Oh it will all be different in the general election."

Not fucking likely. And she refuses to fire Mark Penn, to this very day! He's become a national laughing stock and quite representative of her entire campaign.

Why can't Hillary supporters at least be critical of her godawful "I have no post-Super Tuesday strategy whatsoever" campaign style? Ready on Day One?? How??

[democrat2thecore]

48. I'll be honest

If Hillary were to someway win the nomination, be elected, and she and her people were to run the White House as poorly as they have run the campaign; she would soon be known as the second worse president in history after George W. Bush. And yes, I mean that. It's been the worst campaign I've seen in my lifetime by a major candidate for the White House. A poorly run campaign that manages to win does not bode well for a great presidency. We're seeing an audition of sorts and it ain't pretty.

[Perry Logan]

49. Like many others, I've noticed that all the accusations against Hillary are lies. That's all.

[npincus]

50. my Mom, 74, loves Hillary... she doesn't want to hear a a bad word

about her. So we turn the conversation to the fact that Dems have 2 good candidates, and I keep my opinions to myself! I love my Mama and don't want to upset her!

[mwb970]

52. bush's supporters aren't upset with him either.

No matter what he does.

[shayes51]

53. You gotta be kidding!

Obama could dance naked on the capitol steps and his supporters would make excuses. He can do no wrong. I accept Hillary's faults and still think she will be a great president.