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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:09 PM
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Obama superdelegate wavering, Senator Johnson may switch to Clinton
This is significant more so for its timing than the single convention vote it represents. Johnson endorsed Obama a while ago. Why is he now having second thoughts? It is obvious why. The question is how many other superdelegates now wonder if Obama is unelectable due to pastorgate and his "typical white" remark that won't go over well with three out of four voters, who are "typical whites"?

The article says he still supports Obama but we have been here before with Lewis and Clinton. He may vote for Obama anyway if Obama wins the state and Johnson does not want to vote against the people of his state but it is very significant that the door is now open to defection, just like it was with Lewis, who ultimately did defect. While Lewis is a figure of far larger national stature Johnson is a U.S. Senator and one wonders what the discussion in the cloakroom has been recently...

I am sure someone will mention Richardson but Johnson isn't angling for a job in the administration so his opinion is more reflective of superdelegates than that of Richardson. Murtha and another superdelegate also came out for Clinton after pastorgate, which ended a long drought for her with superdelegates that had gone on since Super Tuesday. Perhaps that was a coincidence, perhaps not.

There was talk of Obama having 50 superdelegates ready to come out for him en mass after 3/4 if Clinton didn't win both Texas and Ohio. She did but it has now been three weeks since 3/4. What is the hold up? If they truly believe Obama is the best candidate and were not merely bandwagon jumpers what are they waiting for? Or are they having second thoughts like many Democrats are? He became the front-runner after the Potomac trimary but it was his big win in Wisconsin the following week that really put away any doubts about whether he was the front-runner among the media, populace, and political world. Since then there seems to have been an element of buyer's remorse as we learn more and more about this previously blank msm created canvass.

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Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD) -- also a Democratic superdelegate from South Dakota -- supports Sen. Barack Obama for president, but political strategist Steve Jarding told the Sioux Falls Argus Leader that Johnson will vote for Sen. Hillary Clinton at the national convention if Clinton wins the June 3 primary in South Dakota.

Said Jarding: "This might be one where she could surprise people."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/03/23/johnson_will_back_clinton_if_she_wins_south_dakota.html

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:12 PM
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1. Churning a Story to Generate Ink and Smear It
He'd have to be a damn fool to change for those reasons.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:18 PM
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4. No, it is called realism
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:23 PM
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12. Sounds like a very good reason to me.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:04 PM
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28. Pastorgate is now "Obamagate"
Obama's lying and cheating has finally caught up with him. The Rezko Trial revealed Friday, Obama's name is on the witness list..a presidential candidate, a witness in the Trial of an accused felon? Another potential firestorm
with the capacity to not only rock Obama's boat but capsize it and sink it.

When did we decide to settle for so little in a candidate? Vetting should be made a mandatory requirement determining the eligibility of anyone interested in running for office. Imagine the waste of everyone generous donations, if, at the end of it all, Obama is considered a Co-conspirator to a felony along with Rezko?

I wouldn't blame Obama supporters one bit, if they are outraged over this latest development.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:09 PM
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31. I've been out of touch. Didn't know Obama was on the list...
Looks like I need to do some reading
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:15 PM
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35. Yes, it is...
Our resident paralegal will be in furious snit over this:

"Oh, yes, and did we mention, Obama's name also appears on the witness list for the current trial, making his one more in what former Illinois U.S. Sen. Peter Fitzgerald called the "Illinois Combine".

http://www.rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/one-degree-of-separation-obama-and.html
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:36 PM
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39. Thanks for the link Tell....
:hi:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 08:58 PM
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44. A thoughtful post and you have to smear it.
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:13 PM
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2. he may unwaver........
after the Bosnia video gets more airplay.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:21 PM
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7. Ironic. Obama supporters are pinning their hopes on padding a resume
If Johnson or anyone else is voting against a candidate for padding a resume Obama would be the last one they would vote for. Emil Jones anyone? Obama is a creation. The question is who is behind it? Cui bono?
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:55 PM
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25. I have a feeling he will endorse Hillary
After the Rev Moss controversial Easter Sermon today. It was very divisive and the language was very offensive. Since his sermon is already being repeated on MSM this will not help SD's sway to Obama.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:16 PM
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3. The article doesn't say anything about him wavering. It's a pundit's speculation. n/t
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:19 PM
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5. That is a statement from his campaign manager
Ya think he would know a bit about Johnson's thinking?
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:21 PM
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6. Well Hillary won't win SD so no worries
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:22 PM
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8. How many campaigns have you managed in South Dakota?
Too bad for Obama the only remaining caucus is Guam...
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:22 PM
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9. But. superdelegates SHOULD vote for whoever their state votes for....
or whoever is ahead in votes nationally...either way.

If Clinton wins SD (and I have no idea who is favored to win there), then it would be no surprise if the superdelegates there vote for the winner, too. Esp. if the superdelegate is an elected official...they could lose votes if they DON'T follow their constituents' lead. Just as Boxer of CA has said she would.
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:26 PM
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14. I agree that they should represent their constituency, but the assumption that he will lose SD isn't
clear to me. We will have to wait and see.
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InsultComicDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:23 PM
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10. asdf
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:23 PM
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11. Obama meant, his grandmama was typical of her time, that's all
Most of us are typical of our time and rarely rise above out time.
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chocome Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:25 PM
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13. Breaking News***Barak to Cheney: All options should remain on table against Iran**
Barak met with visiting US Vice President Dick Cheney late Sunday. Barak said Israel believes the time is still right for sanctions against Iran to prevent it from getting nuclear weapons. But a statement from the Israeli defense minister's office quoted him as adding, "none of the options should be taken off the table."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1205420759569&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:38 PM
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19. You mean Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak...?
Not even a nice try. Barak<>Barack.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 09:01 PM
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46. Implying Barak Obama said this? it's Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:27 PM
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15. It didn't sound that way.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:33 PM
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17. That has been the Obama apologist spin. He didn't say anything about generations
And the argument that "It is true! Whites are a bunch of racists!" isn't going to fly in the general.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:12 PM
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33. Nice try...after the verbalization of "typical white people" stereotyping..
in Obama's latest public speech...your bit of revisionist history couldn't convince me water is wet!
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 09:10 PM
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49. His Grandmother Was Anything BUT Typical
Edited on Mon Mar-24-08 09:11 PM by Crisco
In 1959, it was not fashionable for a white woman to hook up with and marry an African immigrant, yet BO's grandmother raised a young woman who would do just that - in Kansas, of all places!
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:27 PM
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16. What a BS Title you write, he isn't wavering, he is waiting to honor his constituency as he should.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:33 PM
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18. That is wavering. He was 100% for Obama until now
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:40 PM
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22. Sounds like he is still 100% for Obama, but will honor his constituency. Not what you imply.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:59 PM
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26. He isn't 100% for Obama. If he were he would vote for Obama regardless of what happens like Kerry
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:15 PM
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36. no, it's kinda important
since Johnson is running for re-election in a dark red state, that he not anger the majority of his base.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:20 PM
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37. methinks it is as if you were arguing with a plank
for all the effect it is having
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:41 PM
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23. No - he endorsed Obama, but will (if Jarding is right) vote as his state does
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:40 PM
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20. We should all take up a collection..
of straws for you to grasp.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:40 PM
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21. Distortion in your spin?
The text below <snip> is the entire content of the list. The stuff above it is all your own thoughts - that are yours - not Jackson's. Here, a strategist is stating that Johnson will cast his vote for the winner in his state. This does not change that he personally endorsed Obama.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:02 PM
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27. That is a change in his position. He is no longer a firm Obama vote
The idea that he is simply leaving it up to the voters is idiotic. Boxer is the only other senator to do this. He wants some wiggle room and this is the most face-saving way to do it.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:08 PM
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29. Note a campaign operative said this - not Johnson
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:10 PM
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32. His campaign manager, not any old "campaign operative"
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 03:50 PM
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24. give it up already, hillarys toast.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 08:56 PM
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42. I have seen the face of Barack
on a piece of toast. I have. It's true. It's a miracle. (It was nutritious whole wheat toast too.)
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:09 PM
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30. A lot of folks have been leaving Obama camp in droves since the Rev Wright thing...36% of his Indy
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:26 PM
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38. How many will leave after Obama's has to testify in the Rezko Trial..
Edited on Sun Mar-23-08 04:26 PM by Tellurian
For Obama's name to come up in the paperwork or testimony, he must be tied in there somewhere. Seeing Chicago's politics are incestuous, Prosecutor Fitzgerald has dubbed it, "The Illinois Combine".
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gaiilonfong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-23-08 04:14 PM
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34. ANOTHER LIE by a Hillbot , exaggerated OP
HILLARYIS666
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 09:01 PM
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47. need a pillow to cry on?---or will a hanky do?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:33 PM
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40. .
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:37 PM
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41. The chickens are coming home to roost...................
This is good:

Keep in mind what Dan Morain wrote in the September 8, 2007, Los Angeles Times:

"Now, promoting himself as a fresh face on the national political stage, proclaiming his distance from lobbyists and the Washington culture of special interests, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) has to contend with his own history. ... From Chicago to Springfield, his past is filled with decidedly old-school political tactics -- a history of befriending powerful local elders, assisting benefactors and special interests, and neutralizing rivals."

Oh, yes, and did we mention, Obama's name also appears on the witness list for the current trial, making his one more in what former Illinois U.S. Sen. Peter Fitzgerald called the "Illinois Combine".

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...........
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 08:57 PM
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43. She won't win South Dakota., this is a non-statement
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 09:00 PM
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45. There are no polls that i know of--do you have one?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 09:03 PM
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48. "If she wins South Dakota" LOL..... no chance in hell, not with Daschle in Obama's camp....
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