Hillary discussed a "graceful exit" with Dem bigwigs this weekend?

[Cheney Killed Bambi]

I am hearing that Hillary, Bill, and her inner circle are finishing up marathon meetings conducted over this weekend with Democratic bigwigs and other beltway honchos where her exit from the race was topic #1. She and Bill have been discussing how their people would have some kind of role in an Obama administration.

I know I am just an anonymous person on a blog, and I can't give anyone a link, so take this with a grain of salt. But this is what I have been told. Also note that the blogger Booman suggests that something like this is afoot:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/22/225857/300/610/482459

[Eurobabe]

1. Make it so Number 1

PUH-LEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE!!!

But I think Clinton will drop after PA.

[Madam Mossfern]

4. My magic 8 ball says no.

I think she's going to stay in much longer

[marshall]

140. She's waiting for Puerto Rico to put her over the top

But then Obama is rumored to be currently vacationing in the Caribbean. Could he be one step ahead of her, lobbying for votes in that ever important moving goalpost territory?

[frogcycle]

221. Guam!

We Guamanians count too!

[trained specialist]

259. Daily Kos is nothing but Obama SPAM

There is not one credible person left in that blog.

[TheWraith]

263. So that's why the Clinton supporters put in such effort to try and take it over?

Yes, clearly it's worthless. :sarcasm:

[frogcycle]

269. and this relates to Guam HOW?

[dchill]

266. Bat Guam-o.

:)

[Why Syzygy]

149. She's proved she craves humiliation

with her marriage to Bill. She still wants more?

[Red Zelda]

184. Whoa ... that's a really good point

nice one.

[mkultra]

21. ill always think of her as number 2

[SoCalDem]

28. you rascal

:rofl:

[ekwhite]

44. Keep it clean, please. NT

[mkultra]

91. thanks for your input

ill consider it.

[Cha]

85. Yeah, hilary's number 2 alright...

And in those meetings they should be considering how to get a patina over that stench.

Nothing in the Obama adminisrtation for them..they blew it big time..that would be like having known spies working for you.

[BearSquirrel2]

214. VP is out of the question ...

The VP slot is out of the question. If Bill wants to come on board as secretary of state ... I'm all for it. I could see Hillary holding a cabinet post, especially if it will get her to quit. Secretary of Education or Health and Human Services might be a good fit.

Though, I suspect that she would just want to remain a Senator. Defense, State and Attorney General are typically the only cabinet positions worth quitting a Senate seat over. I don't think any of these would be a fit for her.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

114. I Will Always Think Of You As Number 3

"Mommy, I made number 3"

[dchill]

199. Number 2 - like Mr. Spock? ... Oh, never mind.

:)

[sudopod]

128. The LINE must be drawn HERE!

</ Picard >

[jackson_dem]

2. Why would she leave now when her chances of winning are stronger than they have been since 2/5?

This is meritless speculation.

[DJ13]

5. LOL

:rofl:

[slinkerwink]

6. she can't win. That's why she should leave.

[Obamanaut]

11. 2/5, the date she said it would be over? That didn't work well. nt

[gateley]

16. Bless your heart, jackson dem --

Hillary is lucky to have you in her corner.

[stevenleser]

103. Nevermind

[gateley]

115. I can only guess...

but I meant it sincerely. It must be tough on DU these days to be a Hillary supporter. I'd be the same way if Biden was still in the running.

[ekwhite]

49. Her chances may indeed be stronger than since 2/5

But that doesn't mean her chances are good. I would not expect her to drop out before the Pennsylvania primaries, but she will be forced to drop out by her finances soon after that.

Edit: I agree that she is lucky to have you in her corner.

[Why Syzygy]

150. She doesn't even have money for ads in PA.

I wonder how much she blew on the pitiful phone call ad.

She is so out of balance and out of touch with humanity.

[slinkerwink]

168. she doesn't need money for ads

when she has the local press in PA give her free media.

[BumRushDaShow]

170. Ain't that the truth? Free ads from the local media, Fast Eddie the governator, Mixmaster Mike.

She's never had to spend a dime except on Mark Penn and luxury hotels.

[BearSquirrel2]

215. She lost delegates ...

Geesh, all her gains from Ohio have been wiped out. She has not chance.

[FatDave]

112. Well, I can think of three reasons

1. There will be no Florida revote
2. There will be no Michigan revote
3. Bill Richardson has endorsed Obama

Getting FL and MI revotes was really her last hope. Richardson defecting was a kick while she was down. It is now unwinnable for Hilary and everyone (except for her most ardent supporters) know it.

[BearSquirrel2]

216. Michigan revote would have hurt ...

I think Hillary would have gained in Florida. I don't think Michigan would have helped her much if she could could only beat "Undecided" by 15 points.

[stevietheman]

159. Wow. ROFLMAO! n/t

n/t

[dchill]

201. You can still call it "winning?"

[Lucky 13]

212. Her chances are stronger than they've been since 2/5... so they are only NEXT to impossible now.

[ksquire]

230. Where do you get your drugs? i need some to deal with FOX news nt

[LSK]

239. TRANSLATION: I FAILED MATH

:eyes:

[Leopolds Ghost]

254. "EVACUATE? In her Moment of Triumph!?"

"I think you underestimate our chances!"



"Mr. Penn, we've evaluated Sen. Obama's attack plan, and there IS a danger.
Shall I have your shuttle waiting for you?"

[Warren DeMontague]

276. Ooo, good one. nt

[slinkerwink]

3. who told you?

Hillary's schedule for tomorrow shows her and Bill doing a lot of campaigning, so I don't think she's going to drop out.

[DJ13]

7. Hillary's schedule for tomorrow shows her and Bill doing a lot of campaigning

Remember Edwards had campaign stops planned for the day after he dropped out?

[slinkerwink]

9. I don't remember that at all

[gateley]

18. I do --

Had to do some canceling and re-shuffling.

[Cheney Killed Bambi]

14. Tomorrow is not the weekend

I will edit to make it clear, she's already HAD those meetings, for the most part.

[slinkerwink]

24. if so, it would explain the long weekend she had in NY

[melody]

8. Obama torn down? McCain winning? Her work here is done

Personally, I hope she goes to hell and stays there.

[ekwhite]

53. It is time to put the Hillary hate to bed.

If she drops out, I will praise her for a hard-fought campaign. Her and Bill could serve very well as surrogate campaigners for Obama. We are all Democrats - if she drops out, it will be time to let bygones be bygones.

[melody]

63. It's not hatred -- it's anger. I don't put anger to "bed" -- that leads to depression

This isn't about Obama -- this is about what she did to the party -- my party. Goddamned right, I'm mad.

I don't care if Obama turned into Satan tomorrow, I'd still be mad at her.

[Cha]

86. Thanks, Melody...you have every

right to feel that(as if you needed me to tell you).. Nobody better ever tell me from up on their pedestal to put my "hilary hate" to bed! Try and tell that to the families and friends of the victims of the War On Iraq that she voted for and pandered to when the bushits were ridin' high.

And, then when it wasn't so popular anymore..another one of her many personalities came out to cover up and lie some more.

[melody]

89. Precisely n/t

[Hutzpa]

241. Thank you Thank you,

thats my beef with her, its not about Obama, its about what
she has done to the party, my anger comes from the damages
she has created.

She has given those thugs a lot of ammunition to tore us
apart, just take a look at Joe Scarborough and Pat
Buchanan listen to their talking point, its about the race
bait and division that her camp has thrown out there, thats
what those two have made their talking point.

This morning it was Chris Matthews that stepped in to stop
Mika and Pat from talking about Obama and the Pastor. They
spent two hours just on that topic alone.

[blayne]

245. The hateful discourse here makes me depressed.

I think what ekwhite was saying is that we are trying to clean it up around here. Maybe the end is near, and we are going to have to come together as a party when it does get here. We don't mind if you hate someone and want then to go to hell, but don't ruin a great thread with hateful rhetoric.

I was so happy reading the peaceful back and forth in this thread. The talk about real options and "what ifs." Maybe we have turned a corner here, and I know yall love hearing that from someone who has only been here a year. Keep up the good work :hi:

[melody]

257. It's not hateful rhetoric ... it's legitimate anger

This is what happens when dysfunctional families explode --

The bully bullies and the enablers try to explain the bullies actions and then when the bullied people
finally getting angry and fight back, the enablers blame the victims for rising up ... making a scene ...
trying to not "make peace" and "play nice".

[blayne]

262. I don't think your rational fits the context of this forum.

We can have a fun and constructive debate about the candidates and other issues, but hate breeds hate. We come here with the expectation that this forum isn't full of bullies and victims. We are supposed to be Democrats who can exchange ideas rationally. I know Hillary threw the kitchen sink, but that doesn't mean we have to throw it at each other. Playing nice isn't such a bad thing.

[melody]

265. I don't see expressing anger at a candidate as an attack on each other

Anger is perfectly rational if expressed that way.

In fact, a suppression of anger can be far less rational.

[Why Syzygy]

152. Not from where I'm sitting.

No. Not ever. I hope she disappears forever. It has been a horrible mugging, and the only thing she deserves is to suffer the consequences. I will be MAD at Obama if he lets that bitch any where near our new administration.

[riskpeace]

173. I regret the personalization by both sides.

In just this thread, you've called Senator Clinton a bitch and made fun of her marriage. You've also speculated that she likes to be humiliated. That is very dangerous and demeaning rhetoric in my opinion.

[pollo poco]

207. agreed riskpeace

People who hate Hillary (for good reason, I might add) should not allow this kind of language to pollute our process. It doesn't just put Hillary down. It is hate speech against women. It harms all women.

People who use this kind of woman hating language are no different from the people on the right who will attack Obama for being black. But, since we here say it's OK to use hate speech, I hope it's not a problem for us in the GE.

"Woman is the nigger of the world."-John Lennon

Too bad we prove him right every day on DU. In fact- if John Lennon was a poster on DU, he might get reported or ignored for using that word. He should have used bitch. That's OK here.

Stick to the issues. Your ill disguised gender based hatred is offensive, and should not be a part of any election.

[riskpeace]

219. Thanks for your reply.

I do not agree with Senator Clinton, or Senator Obama, about everything. I have my preferred candidate, but I'd vote for either one in November and respect both of their public service.

[Daemonaquila]

250. Agreed

She is so wrong for this country for so many reasons, but her family life is beside the point. There are so many of her actual actions to make the point with - why stoop to the level of silly personal taunts?

[DWilliamsamh]

256. Ok I am as angry as hell about what her tactics have done to Obama

and hence the prospect of a Democratic victory in the fall... but I seriously think you are going over the top here. It always worries me when folks on my side of the aisle start sounding like hard core bible belt conservatives when they are speaking of someone in our party. Don't get me wrong she has gone a LOoooooooong way to losing any shred of respect I once had for her but i just don't think we should literally be joining rabid republicans in espousing actual personal hatred of her.

[krkaufman]

205. Yes, and many were taken-in by her conciliatory close at the Texas debate ...

... immediately after which she rolled-out the "kitchen sink" attack strategy. She needs to be fought until she formally concedes the race.

And I think "hate" never had a place, but distrust, resistance and anger certainly are understandable.

[BearSquirrel2]

217. No thank you ...

If he helps Obama the way he helped Hillary, no thank you.

[Not the Only One]

10. sounds like a reasonable solution

Hillary has leverage and there is a ton of value to Obama for her to end this.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

12. I support this message!

:kick:

[EFerrari]

13. If the Clintons manage to go positive, I'd be so relieved.

And it's not really a matter of her dropping our or staying in but more, the impact on our party.

Or, YOUR party because my reg hasn't been switched back yet. In any case, a positive solution would be so great.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

164. Isn't that supposedly one one of the seven signs of the Apocolyse?

[C_U_L8R]

15. This could be fantastic news... it's not a zero-sum game

It doesn't have taken to an unfortunate Obama wins / Hillary loses ending.
Together we are much stronger than divided.. and that means all of us here at DU.
This could be the news that will help us unite and kick McCain's ass,
take back Congress (overwhelmingly) and restore the Supreme Court.

This could be the best thing for ALL of us.

[slinkerwink]

25. hopefully so

[BklynChick]

17. from your lips to god's ears.

[Citizen Kang]

19. May 6

Thats the night she calls it quits.

Let her have Penn. Obama puts it away in NC and Indy. Please exit gracefully stage right. Maybe have Senate Majority Leader.

[MADem]

29. Why would you think she would WANT Majority Leader? It's a SHITTY job.

You spend all your time herding cats and carping. It's the most thankless job in the Senate.

It hasn't been a "good gig" since LBJ had it--he was the last guy who really knew how to lean on people and bend them to his will via that job.

[slinkerwink]

33. LBJ was Senate majority leader?

[MADem]

68. Yes, he was. They called him the MASTER OF THE SENATE. nt

[Name removed]

192. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[dixiegrrrrl]

193. I recommend

Robert Caro's Pulitzer winning biography of Johnson, if only the Master of the Senate Volume.
( there are 3 volumes and Caro is working on a 4th, everyone is hoping he finishes before he passes away)
First volume talks about how Johnson stole election for Senate..the infamous Box 13.
Great political education in those books.
Having a grasp of political history really does help in understanding current politics...ahem.

[ekwhite]

54. You don't think Hillary Clinton would be a good majority leader?

She would be a great one. The best Senate Majority Leader since LBJ himself.

[MADem]

67. She'd be WASTED in that role. The system doesn't work the way it used to.

Read Caro.

[JTFrog]

151. No. I don't think she has shown the judgment or temperment to be a good leader period. n/t

[Why Syzygy]

154. She should volunteer for a space flight. A LONG one.

I don't even like her on my planet. There is NOTHING redeeming about her. She is a ZERO, by her own hand.

[NorthCarolina]

189. I agree, she's shown her true colors during this campaign

Senate Majority Leader?? I think not. In fact I am 100% done with ANY Dem who appears on the list of DLC members. Vote them all out.

[Warren DeMontague]

120. All I know is, Harry Reid has got to fucking GO.

I'd be happy to see HRC in that job if she was interested in it.

Other ideas? How about Secretary of State?

I also think the Supreme Court is not a bad idea, at all.

[MADem]

124. I kinda like her in the POTUS slot, myself. NT

[Warren DeMontague]

131. That is highly unlikely at this juncture.

Personally, if you had said the words "Hillary Clinton for President 2008" to me in 1992, or even in 1999, I would have been all for it. She started to lose me once she got in the Senate and began neo-con pandering. Her vote for the IWR, her subsequent refusal to admit it was a mistake... BIG problems with this Democrat.

Ancillary crap like video games and banning flag burning were certainly annoyances, too.

However, the way she has run her campaign in these primaries- beginning with her reliance on assertions of inevitability instead of doing the work on the ground and making the sale to the voters; moving rapidly downhill to the cheap, snide, sleazy and downright weak shit she has pulled in recent months... all I can say is, as someone who used to like HRC quite a bit--- in the unlikely event that she is our nominee I will vote for her, but I won't be enthusiastic about it.

[MADem]

133. We'll see.

You apparently don't understand that the "flag burning crap" was very targeted (it only dealt with federal property, where setting fires and demonstrating are prohibited ANYWAY) and was designed to STOP a GOP-dominated Congress from introducing a Constitutional amendment against the practice.

What she cleverly did was make up a law that already applied, to shut up the GOP. Only those who didn't pay attention to her clever trick would think that she was doing any abrogating of rights. The GOP knew it, too, but it made them look like jerks to press on when there was so much other business at hand--and how could they vote AGAINST it? People make fun of triangulation, but that was a brilliant instance where she stopped the GOP from fucking with the Constitution....and if you do it once, it's easier to do it the next time.

People who don't like her, don't like her. Nothing to be done about that, I suppose. She's pretty frigging smart. IMO.

[Warren DeMontague]

136. I agree that she's smart.

But frankly, I'm tired of triangulation, I'm tired of political calculations based on this particularly tired brand of "conventional wisdom" about the American People which is, more often than not, wrong.

What I think Bill Clinton would have done, at least back in the day, is come out and explained, with wit and eloquence, WHY protecting the right to unpopular speech -like flag burning- is MORE patriotic than passing laws that even give the impression of fucking with the First Amendment. THAT would have been the way to protect the Constitution. THAT would have real leadership.

That's the sort of thing Barack Obama does, in case you haven't noticed.

Instead, from Hillary we get political games. But on this, even with the implied First Amendment issues- I would agree that it wasn't such a big deal. Triangulation on the Iraq War, bowing to "conventional wisdom" which said she needed to play the hawk... that's way tougher to stomach.

As far as "people who don't like her, don't like her". Funny, I seem to remember standing in a huge crowd in front of the State of Illinois Bldg in October of 1992 when she was on stage with Bill and Al and Tipper, I liked her then. I even still liked her in April 2004 when I was in DC for the March for Womens' Lives, and she spoke onstage, even though I was deeply disappointed that she, unlike many brave Senators including one of my own, had voted for the IWR...

I don't "hate" her, but I do think she's run a particularly objectionable campaign. If it was just about me "not liking" her, I wouldn't have liked her 16 years ago, either.

[MADem]

141. You didn't read what I wrote.

It was a GOP congress. They wanted to CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION.

She prevented that, by writing a law that CHANGED NOTHING. It protected speech. It protected demonstrators. Changing the constitution, like the GOP wanted to do, would have criminalized their actions.

You can't demonstrate on Federal property, and you can't light fires there either. You NEVER COULD. Either situation, and you're arrested. She wrote a law outlawing something that you cannot do ANYWAY.

And you sit there and tell me what Barack Obama would have done? Barack Obama wouldn't have been able to get his bill out of committee in a GOP-majority Senate, never mind get it passed. He didn't have the connections--he still would have been looking to his assigned mentor Joe Lieberman for guidance on where the best restrooms are in the Senate, best time to visit the POAC, and the times when the dining room is least crowded.

Clinton took the time to really get to know Robert Byrd, and he was very helpful to her as well as others in dealing with those bastards on the right side of the aisle. She also had more familiarity with the Hill, having been there years back and through osmosis when she lived at the other end of the street. She knew how to move legislation, and she gamed those bums six ways to Sunday.

It's only here on DU that I hear this bullshit theme about how TERRIBLE it is that she put forth a "Potemkin" flag burning law. She was the one that did it, because she was the one from 911 New York State who COULD do it, and because she, like anyone with a brain, didn't want a flag burning AMENDMENT to our Constitution.

And that's what we might have gotten had she not jumped in with a practical "faux solution."

[Warren DeMontague]

145. Operative words being "might have gotten". Surely you know the process for amending the Constituion.

It takes more than a vote in Congress. If idiotic Amendments are so easy to come by, how come the GOP congress never got that HLA thing off the ground- you know, the one they advocate every 4 years in the platform, the one which would outlaw the Birth Control Pill?

Oh, yeah- because they're terrified that by pushing it too hard, people -even allegedly "pro life" ones- might actually THINK about it, because most Americans do actually know that Amending the Constitution isn't something that is supposed to be done lightly. And real debate would illuminate the fact that the American People are overwhelmingly pro-choice. The American People CERTAINLY don't want oral contraceptives outlawed, as much as the GOP base may.

Same with flag burning- so the GOP congress might have sent the stupid thing out to the states? Fine. Let's have that debate.

One problem with the Hillary Conventional Wisdom crowd, they don't give the American People any intellectual credit. So they pander to where they think the voters are, and wonder why they aren't trusted.

Perhaps Hillary was bravely protecting the right to free speech with her law. Perhaps.

I understand why you'd rather talk about that than her IWR vote, certainly.

[MADem]

146. And that would have been a FINE distraction during an election year, wouldn't it have?

It's not bad enough that the candidates were, and are, talking about stupid nonsensical faux issues, we'd have to have dealt with that flag burning crap through the last Senate contests AND this election had Clinton not neutralized the discussion. How unhelpful would that have been?

Birth control and flag burning aren't on the same plane. The GOP actually like birth control, because they don't want their mistresses to get pregnant.

Flag burning, though, they like stomping on that as much as they like hiding behind the flag. It actuallly DOES bring the mouth breathers out to vote--and it could have motivated the GOP base in 06, to say nothing of 08. Look at the slender thread we hold the Senate by, and think back to those close Senate contests. Something like that amendment push might have flipped a close race or two against our favor.

Your last line was a lame little dig. Nowhere were we DISCUSSING her IWR vote, were we?

Yet you toss that bomblet in an effort to falsely suggest that I was "avoiding" the subject. When it wasn't even on the radar in the context of this conversation.

Cheap shot. It's the mark of a poor debater who can't support his own argument, too, when you make untrue assertions as to the content of the discussion solely to try to wriggle out of a tough spot. Firing for effect with a "Yeah BUT" like that always misses the mark and reflects poorly on you.

I am unimpressed.

[Warren DeMontague]

225. I refer you to post 131, upthread. You were the one who focused on flag burning to the exclusion

of everything else; I specifically called it "ancillary crap" and an "annoyance".

I've said my peace- I'm tired of lame political calculations. Like I said; Hillary's people seem to base their assumptions on the idea that the American People are too dumb to have mature discussions on everything from war to race to, yes, free speech. I'm tired of that approach, and I think it's misguided to boot.

[MADem]

252. Well, you didn't mention that IWR vote in THAT post, either.

You brought up two points that you had gripes about, and I engaged you on one.

I have said my piece, too, but further discussion appears nonproductive. You have a nice day.

:hi:

[Warren DeMontague]

274. I hate to be that dude who needs to get the last word, but I beg to differ. Here's a link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5223141&mesg_id=5229721

And the quote:

"Her vote for the IWR, her subsequent refusal to admit it was a mistake... BIG problems with this Democrat."

[MADem]

278. Yep, you are right. I stand corrected. NT

[mdmc]

248. Do you really think that the GOP would have tried that?

As long as there is one liberal senator, like Feingold or Kennedy, a flag burning constitutional amendment would never have passed.

[MADem]

253. Didn't HAVE to pass--do you think an Anti Gay Marriage Constitutional Amendment would pass?

That "awful" Bill Clinton triangulated with DOMA (a law, and laws are EASILY repealed) in order to avoid that kind of mucking about with the Constitution on that matter.

The problem with Constitutional amendments, though, is that you can only FIRE ONCE. Afterwards, it becomes much more difficult to beat that horse again. It's why the GOP likes to THREATEN. Then, we throw them a stupid meaningless bone, and they go off in a corner and chew on it.

Who remembers the ERA? Anyone? That's one that SHOULD have passed. Like this sort of thing is so "dramatic:" http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/era.htm

THE EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT

Section 1. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.

Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Section 3. This amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification.




We had high hopes for that, but equality wasn't a priority for Americans. Still isn't, apparently.

[mdmc]

268. agree on the era

:kick:

[Adelante]

36. I would like to see her on the Supreme Court nt

[Umbram]

50. Not a good idea.

I'd rather see her as VP or anything else she wants. For that matter, I'm an Obama supporter and I'd rather see Clinton beat Obama than see Clinton on the SCOTUS.

We need to keep putting judges on the Court, not politicians. The last thing we need is more Americans questioning the legitimacy of the Court. It isn't that Clinton wouldn't do a good job, it's simply that it would be poking a bee hive as far as a constitutional crisis goes.

[ekwhite]

56. That would be a good choice also

But it won't happen unless we win a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. I, for one, would love to see Antonin Scalia's face the first time she shows up in black robes. :evilgrin:

[Daemonaquila]

251. That would be delicious!

I can think of a lot of folks who'd make a better Justice, but she'd be a passable appointee. It sure would be great to see the faces of the conservative appointees, too. Say whatever else you want, but she'd be effective.

[JimGinPA]

59. Kind Of Hard To Justify Since She Flunked DC Bar Exam

:shrug:

[BumRushDaShow]

78. And like Harriet Miers, she has no judicial experience.

Most if not all of the modern justices were either Federal district or appeals court judges.

[boppers]

60. Freedom of Speech does not extend to video games?

SCOTUS requires highly principled views, not politically popular ones. Check out her video games record.

[JTFrog]

153. Saving my kids from dangerous video games by sending them to the front lines. Nice record. n/t

[sasquatch]

240. You see if they're dead they can't play, distribute or create violent video games

I know this sounds cold hearted and illogical, but it's the same logic that we use for disproportionate amounts of enlistment of minorities and drugs.
:crazy:

[woolldog]

80. She isn't qualified to be on the Supreme Court

[Thothmes]

176. What qualification does she lack that would

prevent her from sitting on the Supreme Court

[NorthCarolina]

190. Scruples n/t

[Thothmes]

267. Where is that requirement in the Constitution

[crankychatter]

135. Doesn't being a judge require judgement?

I mean, I'm no rocket scientist... just sayin'

[ingac70]

179. As big of a disappointment she has been in the Senate...

with her IWR and Kyl-Lieberman votes, she would probably be the one to help overturn Roe. v. Wade on the SCOTUS.

She can't be trusted.

[Cosmocat]

232. NEVER, NEVER, N E V E R going to happen ...

I don't know where people dream this one up to begin with, but let's be completely clear here ...

The right wing would, LITERALLY, bear arms and storm DC if Hill was a Supreme Court candidate ...

I am not joking ... There is NO group that is more invested in the Supreme Court than the religious right, and Hillary is literally the anti-christ to these people ... It would be complete and total anarchy if she was a candidate ...

AND, any D president would know that, and not even consider nominating her ...

Seriously ...

[Kber]

171. I'll bet she'd be one of the best Senate Majority Leaders in history!

And I've always (well, for the past 6 - 8 years) thought so.

I think Hillary's skills and interests are so perfectly suited to the Senate. I'd surely support her over Reid any day of the week!

[NorthCarolina]

196. Clinton for Majority Leader? No, but Kucinich for Speaker of the House? YES

now THAT would be a major coup for progressives.

[CreekDog]

20. more than delegate math, it costs money to run her campaign and she is basically out

that really is a big deal. you can't do this for free, well, Penn, Wolfson and Grunwald won't for very long in my opinion.

[EFerrari]

26. I hope she manages a good exit.

The Clintons have been important to Democrats. They have also been incredibly destructive but, maybe, that goes with the territory.

I hope they manage to bow out with dignity.

[AllentownJake]

92. Exactly...

Haven't heard too much crowing about the fundraising numbers for March so far. Not hearing about how well they're doing and that crazy Elton John Concert where there charging between 500-2300 a ticket says something is up on that front.

[ksquire]

231. not having them would help IMHO. shes better than them nt

[gateley]

22. Are you privy to inside info?

If so.... any indication of WHEN this graceful exit might occur?

[slinkerwink]

30. I'm not sure about original poster putting information like this on an internet forum

[CreekDog]

45. Wouldn't it be fitting? Most of the stuff they put on the internet hurts her

:shrug:

[MH1]

34. BooMan (the dkos diarist) may be.

He's been blogging for awhile and might have the necessary connections.

Coming from him, it has a little credibility to me. Only a little, because he is still only a blogger, and what he hears would not necessarily be fully ripe.

[VolcanoJen]

23. I don't see how she survives the First Lady Schedules and BosniaGate.

It's just awful. She really set herself up with that whopper about sniper fire and canceling welcoming ceremonies. Next up, it looks like reporters are going to dig deeper into her "I helped bring peace to Northern Ireland" claim. NAFTA = also v. bad.

The flurry of stories from the likes of Halperin and the folks at Politico are going to begin to take hold in the next news cycle. Bill Richardson was a serious blow, because he illustrated to other wavering superdelegates that you actually can cross the Clintons and live to have a political career. Yes, you can!

I don't see Hillary dropping out before PA, but it would be kind of goofy to drop out the day after a big PA win. She may very well be holed up with her inner circle, taking a cold, hard look at their finances, and they may reach the conclusion that it's better to retire her debt and go back to the Senate than continue to duke out something she has a mere 10% chance of emerging from victorious.

[slinkerwink]

27. man......

[ekwhite]

57. Probably even less than 10%

I don't see any way she can win the nomination that isn't divisive. A brokered convention means a McCain victory, with Senator Clinton taking the blame. She can see the handwriting on the wall. It is now a matter of how to get out with her dignity intact.

[woolldog]

81. Do you think she believes her lies?

or is she just shameless?

[mythyc]

129. that question hurt my head

.... both? :shrug:

[PetraPooh]

31. IF 'their people would have some kind of role" is a condition; I say NO WAY!

We need no more of "their people" in this fight; they have been a disgrace to the Party.

[nxylas]

47. Might be better to have them inside pissing out

than outside pissing in.

[ClassWarrior]

52. Excellent point.

NGU.

[Oilwellian]

58. Oh sure....can you just picture...

Bill Clinton roaming the halls of an Obama White House? No how no fucking way. Perhaps Hillary can join up with McCain and run as his VP. It's time to cut the head off of the DLC and their insidious control of the Democratic party for the past 20 years. No more DINOS.

[ekwhite]

65. Why wouldn't Obama welcome Bill Clinton to the White House?

He was the only Democratic president to be elected to a second term since JFK, and the only Democratic president to serve a second term since Truman. He would make a good adviser, but I doubt he would be interested in serving in a full-time capacity now. Senator Clinton would actually make a good AG or Secretary of State.

As far as her joining up with McCain, why in the heck would any Democrat want that to happen? That would be very bad news for our party. She would take a large chunk of voters with her, and allow McCain to distance himself from the wingnut vote he has to court.

[dansolo]

109. Absolutely no on all counts

Who gives a shit if Bill was re-elected? What happened to the party during his two terms? It was severely weakened. And why the hell would we want Hillary Clinton as either Attorney General or Secretary of State? She isn't particularly qualified for either position.

[Tarheel_Dem]

126. I'm sorry, but Hillary is far too "hawkish" to be S.O.S....

and I want Edwards for AG. That being said, put her in a leadership role in the Senate, and forget about it.

[verges]

183. Kennedy

was not re-elected. Johnson was, but he only served less than a term and a half. Truman served about a term and three quarters. FDR was the last Democratic President before Clinton to serve two full terms.

[reichstag911]

236. JFK was elected...

...to a second term?!? Wasn't he...um...dead? Perhaps you meant FDR? :shrug:

[Cha]

88. I agree...they can go piss

off in bloody disgrace.

[shayes51]

32. I hope not.

[intaglio]

35. Someone on this board suggested Hillary for Supreme Court

Makes sense - and would keep her out of the chain of command in the Administration.

[gateley]

38. That was mentioned as a potential in the Kos piece, too --

I think she'd be an excellent Supreme Court Justice. I do believe she sincerely cares about people.

[Divernan]

107. Lots of conflict of interest re any corporation which gave money to her or bill

Whether campaign donations or consulting fees. She'd have to recuse herself from a lot of cases because of the parties involved, and also any cases challenging laws she voted for or against in her years in the Senate.

Plus, she has no judicial experience at lower levels, either federal or state.

Plus, she has decades of bottled up negative emotions from what she has endured. I think she needs about 5 years of intense psychotherapy.

[Olney Blue]

116. I believe she does too.

[BumRushDaShow]

82. She doesn't have the qualifications...

It was noted upthread that she didn't pass the D.C. bar nor has she ever served as a federal (or any other) judge.

[MagickMuffin]

106. Bad idea, because of her ties with Fellowship or "the Family"

When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.

The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.

We contacted all of Clinton's Fellowship cell mates, but only one agreed to speak—though she stressed that there's much she's not "at liberty" to reveal. Grace Nelson used to be the organizer of the Florida Governor's Prayer Breakfast, which makes her a piety broker in Florida politics—she would decide who could share the head table with Jeb Bush. Clinton's prayer cell was tight-knit, according to Nelson, who recalled that one of her conservative prayer partners was at first loath to pray for the first lady, but learned to "love Hillary as much as any of us love Hillary." Cells like these, Nelson added, exist in "parliaments all over the world," with all welcome so long as they submit to "the person of Jesus" as the source of their power.

http://www.motherjones.com/cgi-bin/print_article.pl?url=http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

I would rather her stay in the Senate, perhaps replacing Reid as the Majority Leader.

[totodeinhere]

111. She might refuse that in lieu of running for prez again in 4 or 8 years.

[gorekerrydreamticket]

272. but she's going to have the "stink" of a loser after this...don't think people will be lining up to

give money again...mainly because she's losing what was supposed to be a cake walk...

[JTFrog]

155. Not qualified. Period. n/t

[NC_Nurse]

37. I love the suggestion that she could be looking to get a Supreme Court

appointment. That would make my f*ckin' day to watch all the RW'ers howl and moan over that. :evilgrin:

[undeterred]

46. Oh wow, I would love to see that.

Justice Roberts would pee his robes and Judge Thomas will pee his Classic coke can with the pubic hair.

[ORDem]

71. The pay is awful though. SCOTUS judges get squat for the amount of work they do. n/t

[NC_Nurse]

84. I'm sure Bill can bring in the big bucks. She can keep them in the news, and

he can keep them in the $$$. ;-)

[backscatter712]

139. I don't think the Clintons are hurting for cash.

When you've got $25 million in the bank, even a six figure salary is just pocket change.

In the Senate, where just about everyone there is a millionaire, and this extends to much of the House, the Presidency and the SCOTUS, they've already got more money than they know what to do with - at that point, it's all about power, status, losing face...

[TBF]

235. I don't think they are hurting either --

and I wonder where that cash comes from. Would love to see those tax returns released. Any day now...

[reichstag911]

237. You're joking , right?

Providing your clerks with the rubber stamp for decisions drafted by corporate lobbyists for what, six months out of the year? Whatever the (majority of the) current rogues' gallery of a Supreme Court is paid (by us, the taxpayers) is too much.

[sudopod]

132. Hillary on the Supreme Court is a winner!

1) It would put her law experience to great use.
2) It would keep her from being able to participate in any more bureaucratic empire building.
3) The reichwing would do barrel rolls till doomsday.

I don't see how this can lose.

[JTFrog]

156. Hillary is not qualified. She didn't pass the DC bar exam and has never been a judge. n/t

[Bullet1987]

39. I won't believe it until something a little more official than some random blog posting

But if her campaign is really running on air (as opposed to actual money) once again, many of her contributers will begin to wonder what they're actually giving money for...if they haven't already.

[UALRBSofL]

40. I put no credibility in DKos

This is why many people have left them the past few weeks. They are known for there gutter reputation of being ant-Clinton. That being said, I would take this information as if it came from Faux news. This is just another attempt to brainwash the general public in thinking Hillary doesn't have a chance for the nomination. DKos has been doing everything in it's power to paint Hillary in a negative way to convince the public to vote for Obama. DKos is knows as Faux news of the left wing.

[Jersey Devil]

162. Booman is not just some blogger on KOS - he is the "Booman Tribune"

He has had his own highly respected blog for some time, the Booman Tribune, so while of course we should treat the story skeptically since it is unsourced, this is not just some troll cruising KOS.

[keep_it_real]

41. From the article, "There is no way that Hillary will be president...

. . . or vice-president, but she might be able to negotiate something of value."

I'm speechless.

[rainbow4321]

94. Does the Obama family have a dog? HRC can be the WH pooper scooper

Cuz that is the only valuable service she has left right about now.

[crankychatter]

137. Nope, that's MY contract tyvm

My good "service sector" career

[chimpymustgo]

178. Sounds as though you'd be perfect for that. You're shovelling so much shit at DU.

[PM7nj]

42. oh please! oh please!

oh please let this be true! It probably isn't... but please let it be true!

[Utopian Leftist]

43. Hoping and praying

Oh, PLEASE, make this so! Or at least let us (both camps) go back to campaigning in a friendly and professional manner like we were before the "kitchen sink." I'm so tired of all the dirt.

[BeyondGeography]

48. Just remember, some people will do anything to avoid re-opening their tax returns

[writes3000]

51. You make a good point here. It's so bizarre they haven't released them .

Hmmmmmm......

I wonder if there are indeed a few bombs in there.

[saltpoint]

55. Can't say what's doing in the behind-the-scenes world, but

agree with you that the salt shaker should be kept on the table.

As for a role for the Clintons in an Obama administration, I suggest they lead a vigorous and heroic effort to revivify the mythic metropolis of New Orleans with a view toward establishing maximum vibrancy and international reclamation of position.

The Clintons have a fat Rolodex full of high-income donors. Let's see them dedicate themselves to people who were victims of both the wrath of Hurricane Katrina and the cruel negligence of George W. Bush.

[Cha]

99. Great idea for

the Clintons..in fact brilliant.

[Tarheel_Dem]

127. OC, as usual, you've hit the proverbial nail on the head....

That would truly be awesome, and would go a long way towards redemption in the eyes of the party base.

[sniffa]

61. I think this is now being forced on her more than anything

This story speaks volumes of (maybe) why this story is out there, and why Richardson said what he said: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5223574

[Bolo Boffin]

62. SECSTATE or SECDEF

I don't think she would want Vice President. But Secretary of State or Defense sounds right up her alley.

Obama's backing for Senate Majority Leader would also be

[ekwhite]

64. What role could Senator Clinton have in the Obama administration?

I don't see her running as Vice President, for the same reason I don't support her as President. She would energize the right-wing Clinton haters, who otherwise might stay home. Having Obama and Clinton together on a ticket would make them go ballistic. Would she be willing to settle for a cabinet position like AG or Secretary of State?

As far as her supporters, I couldn't think that the people running her campaign would be helpful. Penn and Wolfson have run a horrible campaign. I could see Wolfson as press spokesman, though.

Wes Clark could have the Secretary of Defense spot wrapped up. He would be the perfect person to formulate plans to get us out of Iraq.

What do others think about positions for Clinton supporters?

[PM7nj]

66. Ambassador to Bosnia! nt

[NorthCarolina]

195. Ambassador to Iraq, afterall she helped to create it ! n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

73. Edwards for AG.

I forgot about Clark and SECDEF. He'd probably get it in either administration (Obama or Clinton - McCain's BFF Lieberman is all starry eyed for this in a McCain bracket).

I say Secretary of State or Senate Majority Leader.

[tammywammy]

98. Clark cannot be Secretary of Defense for a couple more years

[tammywammy]

101. Clark cannot be Sec. of Defense for a couple more years n/t

[DemGa]

69. Oh good Lord, those Hillary haters at DK must be frothing at at the mouth

over this! DU is infected nearly as bad.

[doublethink]

70. Da da da da da da da ......

[Mooney]

72. Not in a million years.

The time for a gracious exit was a month ago. She's going at least as far as PA, and if she doesn't lose PA by 20 points, she'll keep going.

She won't stop until she has to.

[Sparkly]

74. "how their people would have some kind of role in an Obama administration."

I could think (*coughclark*) of some people in Clinton's camp (*coughclark*) who'd be great in an Obama administration, even for (*coughclark*) Vice President!!!

[Miss Chybil]

122. I find it odd they are deciding how they will have a role in someone else's

administration. Seems that it would be the other administration's job to decide who will have a role in it. I'll wait for the story on the news.

[Sparkly]

224. The idea would be that it's in both camps' best interest.

Deal-making goes on all the time.

[loveangelc]

75. where exactly are you hearing this info?

she won't drop out before PA. She's going to push hard to win North Carolina AND Indiana, if she can't, then I think she maydrop out.

[Coexist]

76. I love the Booman Tribune.

the conversation under the post is interesting.

[dailykoff]

77. How about we lock them in cages and cart them from town to town

as the "Clinton Petting Zoo"? That would keep them in the loop. :rofl:

[AZBlue]

79. Oh PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!

I could see a role for her in his administration - not VP, but there are several cabinet positions she'd be qualified for as well as a seat on SCOTUS.

[BumRushDaShow]

83. She's not qualified for SCOTUS

She failed the D.C. bar and has never served as a federal or other judge. The Judiciary Committee would work her over worse than they did Harriet Miers.

[AZBlue]

90. Hmmmm...excellent points!

Thank you for the info - I had not realized any of that!!

[woolldog]

144. I love that people think you can just show up

to the Supreme Court without any judicial experience and "wing it." lol

[BumRushDaShow]

177. *shco had Harriet show up

and look how that turned out! :rofl:

And they were serious!

[Zynx]

180. Hugo Black had almost no judicial experience. There are plenty of others early

in the history of the country too.

[OzarkDem]

87. DailyKos - a real reliable resource

:rofl:

[ksquire]

233. I KNOW I

[Orsino]

93. Such discussions *now* would be extremely private...

...and IMO unlikely to hit the news.

[Major Hogwash]

95. If somehow she could win a primary somewhere, maybe some of her credibility would be restored.

But, I don't think she will play a big role in the General election now.

"Mr. DeVille, I'm ready for my closeup now."

Fade to black.

[thoughtcrime1984]

96. Did I miss something in the story? I don't get that from reading it.

I don't see Booman suggesting that Hillary is discussing her exit. If only it were true, but I don't see it just yet.

[Garbo 2004]

100. You didn't miss it because it's not there. But Booman suggests that there will be some such

discussion at some point.

[Cheney Killed Bambi]

102. correct

[rainbow4321]

97. "The Clintons will be there when they need you," said a Carter friend.

From OP's link

Carter, who felt he was not treated with a lot of respect by the Clintons when they were in the White House, favors Obama.


"The Clintons will be there when they need you," said a Carter friend.

---------------

Yep...just ask Bill Richardson.

[Stephanie]

104. Obama doesn't owe her ANYTHING.

I honestly don't know who she thinks she is. She lost. She's in no position to make demands.

[StevieM]

118. She hasn't lost yet. And Obama has gotten this far through reprehensible conduct

He has torn her apart on a personal level. And he has misled people--along side threats of tearing the party apart--by claiming that the so-called pledged delegates represent the will of the people (which they don't since caucuses are not elections).

He owes her an apology. As for a cabinet post, that's besides the point. The point is this arrogance on the part of the Obama people that makes them believe they will get all of her voters. Polls indicate that he'll have trouble getting a lot of them. Including my own.

Steve

[JTFrog]

157. What a fucking ridiculous statement. Another Opposite Day in HillaryWorld.

Obama owes Hillary an apology.

Obama ran an anything to win campaign.

Obama played the arrogance and inevitability cards.

Up is Down and Black is White.


Do you honestly look at the whole world through those glasses? Not since Bush supporters have I seen this kind of cognitive dissonance.

[Stephanie]

182. It's just bizarre

Who's coming up with this crap? Could they at least try to make sense?

[stevenleser]

187. This is why I have so many on my ignore list. They have completely lost touch with reality...

what is the value of even debating people like that? All that listening to their warped view of reality can do is piss me off.

[ksquire]

234. TRUE!!! HILLARY44.ORG PWN U ALL!!! EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!! NT

[Warren DeMontague]

275. Did you post that from your phone?

Good grief. Why don't you just try smoke signals or simple primate grunts, next time.

[Warren DeMontague]

121. No, but the sensible thing in such a close race is to look for ways to bring the party together.

I don't want her on the ticket, but I think a high profile gig or appointment in an Obama Administration might not be a bad way to go.

[JTFrog]

158. There is no bad way for her to go as long as she goes away. n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

105. Hillary is on quicksand

[JLuckey]

108. Hillary maybe a lot of things, but she's not stupid.

She needs to pay off her bills, which she has accomplished. Problem is does she want to fight this to the bitter end and go in the financial hole again. She could gracefully SUSPEND her campaign now and if Obama blows up between now and Denver she takes the nomination. It's a win - win situation. By the way I don't post or reply much but I'm Biden/Edwards/ Obama supporter. I also love this place every day, since 2004.

[Hepburn]

110. Oh, PLEASE make this be true...

...so we can get on with the necessary task of making sure that mega asshole McCain is SOUNDLY defeated in November!

Please, please, please....

[mckeown1128]

113. Hell hasn't frozen over...

No way will she just drop out. She had several opportunities to do so gracefully. After Ohio and Texas failed to give her more delegates, after Obama's killer speech, after her loss in Wisconsin(which is where I feel she really lost the nomination)

[cooolandrew]

117. Sometimes in conceding we win it all...

I think she stands to gain so much in conceding than going any other route at this point. She will regain the full respect of the party in doing so. The Clinton name will have stronger value in a call for unity speech that would jettson us to the WH. If she shooses this path I wish her nothing but the best and good wishes for her future in the party.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

119. Excellent news, I give her credit for finally seeing the writing on the wall.

[Kermit77]

123. She could be Secretary of HEALTH and Human services - DUHH!

She has experience in the healthcare field. Let her be Secretary of Health and Human Services.

We can tell if this article is true or not. Tomorrow look for the Clintons to make some horrible statement about Obama not being a good CIC or not having enough experience or not loving this country.

If that doesn't happen, then maybe the Clitons are planning an exit strategy.

[crankychatter]

138. um... she's already a Senator?

just sayin'

but of course if she DID leave the Senate, they could elect a Democrat to replace her. We do NEED more Democrats in the Senate.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

163. There are many positions in which Hillary could serve in an Obama administration. So long as not VP.

[sepdxdem]

125. If she really did....

bow out before PA and throw her weight behind Obama she'd again be a hero TO EVERYONE in the party and I think it would catapult the dems into both the presidency and control of the legislature.

I know this is her life's dream, and I honestly believe she feels she is the best candidate, so I can understand why she wouldn't want to give up yet, but if there was ever a time to be a team player, this is it.

From a pragmatic standpoint, bowing out is IMO her best strategy, even if she has 2012 in mind. There's a better chance that Obama loses the general election than her pulling out the nomination and beating McCain.

And even if Obama does win, if she does go the "team player" route she's guaranteed a respected and influential party elder role as long as she wants. She might even end up VP, Secretary of State, or Speaker of the House

At this point she has to ask herself what the cost of all out war is given the slim chance that she can actually reach her ultimate goal of the presidency. It could cost her her career and would likely cause a war within the party that might damage us for years.

For me, this is the point where, despite the fact that I am an Obama supporter, my years of support for the Clinton's is really going to be tested. I'd like nothing more for them to take the high road now and not shake my faith in them as that would really hurt after thinking so highly of both of them for so long.

[LordJFT]

130. Can you tell us who these big-wigs are?

[crankychatter]

134. GSA Chief.... hm... Terry McCauliff for Postmaster?

Terry McAuliffe for Postmaster General

[Leopolds Ghost]

258. Nah, he would lobby to privatize the Postal Service and contract it to FedEx n/t

[FatDave]

142. If she does drop out, will Edwards then be ready to endorse somebody?

I kid, JE was my first choice way back when. Just wish he'd endorse is all.

[Spiffarino]

143. If so it's great news on several levels...

Primarily that she and her people would want a major role in an Obama administration. Say what you will about the Clintons, but they have some great thinkers at their disposal. The important thing for Obama, though, would be to keep their worst corporate cronies far, far away.

If she bows out before PA it could help heal the rift in the Party, but I don't expect it to happen. I think she's in it for at least a couple more months in hopes that Obama stumbles and his campaign breaks.

[Freedom Train]

147. Why would she drop out before Pennsylvania?

It doesn't make sense at all, at least from her standpoint. It'd be like when Edwards dropped out BEFORE Super Tuesday. I mean, WTF?

[tekisui]

160. It'd make no sense to drop right after a win.

And why would she want to stay in if she was to be delivered two losses in NC and IN?

She is in debt and depending on what the internal polls say, I could see a pre-PA drop.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

166. Besides, she lost Texas.

[berni_mccoy]

165. Richardson Endorsement. Money. There are plenty of reasons. We are still 1 month from PA.

[Why Syzygy]

148. She did go home. nt

[cooolandrew]

161. kick

[workinclasszero]

167. Graceful and Hillary Rodham Clinton don't belong in the same sentence

Hillary won't do the right thing. Its way past time for that now. She has done major damage to the Dem's chances to win in the GE already.

I'm sure Hillary will continue with her scorched earth/kitchen sink strategy against Obama. She is setting herself up for 2012.

Bill and Hill both are working for McCain now.

[cooolandrew]

169. kick

[SwampG8r]

172. i hope he says yes

and then plays her in the traditional clinton style
after the election who cares what we promised them?
just send em on home

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

174. Kick

[susankh4]

175. I would be really sorry to see her concede the presidency

to Mr. McCain so early in the game.

[George II]

206. Is that pathetic comment coming from a Democrat or Republican?

[susankh4]

227. Dem for 32 years

I know what I am seeing in this primary. Our only chance to whoop McCain's ass was the Clinton/ Obama ticket. And the Dem party has managed to screw us out of it.

[George II]

279. Clinton dropping out of the race would not concede the presidency, it would ensure it.

[peacetalksforall]

181. When you click on a greatest thread and start reading you expect better than this

thread.

Some people look forward and don't go to the sewer. I applaud you.

Some poeple don't have any foresight. Perhaps because you are only 18 or so or are Republicans doing a parallel and intentional sewer dive.

If you were old enough you would know that the opponents always come out shaking hands and raising clasped hands at the Convention and after.

I hope when you see this that you learn and perhaps feel a little embarassed for the sewer contributions.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

185. Much TOO LATE for a graceful exit - she has already done

extremely serious damage. I hate her for it. Hell would
have to freeze over for me to every even consider voting
for her. I'd rather write in my dog, Larry.

[thereismore]

186. Hillary for ambassador to Tuzla. nt

[Harry Monroe]

188. A "graceful exit"???!!!

I really doubt it. But even if she were to bow out "gracefully" (I'm sure if she does it won't be pretty or "graceful"; it's simply not in her), I wouldn't give her shit in a paper bag, much less any role in an Obama Administration, after the "disgraceful" and disgusting way she has been acting these past 2 months. Please Hillary, drop out and go ahead and admit you're joining the Republican Party. Your actions speak louder than words; you're simply a closet Republican in Democrat clothing anyway.

[BigDDem]

191. "I am hearing"

that BO thinks HIV was invented by the govt to wipe out black people.
I don't have a link or anything so take it with a grain of salt.

[humbled_opinion]

194. I guess Common Sense and Logic Kicked in.... Bye... Bye... n/t

[cd3dem]

197. Don't tell me Hillary and Bill Clinton called you personally!

sure her numbers are going up and BO's are dropping... makes sense!

[Kber]

198. Maybe she just wanted to spend Easter with her family at home?

[marshall]

200. In Hillary's mind, it's Obama who is making the graceful exit

She was probably really into the discussion until she realized they were talking about her taking the exit. Then I'm sure the fur started to fly.

[NoodleyAppendage]

202. "Their People" meaning the CORPORATE WHORES who are worried about losing their grip on power.

Heaven forbid if our country actually makes a clean break from 20 years of Bush, Clinton, Bush Rule.

ENOUGH WITH THE BUSH-CLINTON DYNASTY. Begone spot from my eye.

J

[parkeradison]

203. Regarding "graceful exit"

I find this very hard to believe. Hillary will not give up unless she struggles in Pa. These are the Clintons we're talking about.

[krkaufman]

204. With the way this campaign has gone, I wouldn't trust a Clinton surrogate in my administration n/t

[peace frog]

208. Considering the class-free, negative campaign

she's been running, it would be refreshing to see Clinton make a graceful, classy exit - but I'm not holding my breath.

[L0oniX]

209. Their people would have some kind of role in an Obama administration? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

1)cleaning toilets at the White House
2)White House lawn poop scooper patrol
3)rose garden weed termination
4)employment consultant for DLC members
5)interstate highway beautification project
6)laundry service at Guantanamo

[Ian_rd]

210. The kitchen sink missed

Now she has nothing left but bitterness. The only tool remaining in her arsenal is a shovel with which to keep digging. I'm pleased the media has finally caught up to what anyone with a calculator has known for weeks. But unlike the "hot" story of any given moment, the math will not change. And besides, she's broke. Donors are like investors in thinking: "What will I get in return for my donation?" If the campaign is now locked in 2nd place, then why donate? The only clear-thinking people with an incentive to donate to Hillary now are Democrats or Republicans (thank you, Rush) who for one reason or another want to damage the GE for Obama.

[cooolandrew]

211. kick

[ronnykmarshall]

213. I just want to thank all of posters above me.

Your kind words have touched my heart. This is turning out to be a very sad time for me as a Hillary supporter.

The sweet things you all have said will never leave me. I shall never forget them nor forget the lovely charming people wrote.

You're all just living dolls! DOLLS I tell ya!

God Bless you all.

From the bottom of my bowels, I thank you.

[ExtraGriz]

218. this is far from over....MI and FL revotes havent been settled

Pennsylvania is on the horizon, and is richardson acting as the trojan horse in obama's camp?

[1620rock]

220. I love Obama, but his supporters on this board disgust me.

[TankLV]

222. Ya got that right - except for the part about loving obama - I don't...

They should get a room someplace so they can masturbate to this fantasy of theirs that they keep pushing...

[Ganja Ninja]

223. FL & MI have been settled.

They were settled before they held their primaries. The re-vote ain't happening. Neither the states nor the party have the money to conduct re-votes so we're back to playing by the rules that were laid out before the primaries.

[Alter Ego]

226. Not gonna happen.

You see, this would be election news that DOESN'T give me an ulcer.

All election news must give me an ulcer.

Ergo, this cannot be real.

[Life Long Dem]

228. I hope the hell so. The Hillary insanity is hillarious!

As for the role with Obama? Racist need not apply.

[windbreeze]

229. OMG....

I can't believe what I am reading....I am finally blown away...step back people, step back...Take a good hard look at yourselves and how you are behaving...don't allow yourselves to be drawn in, or encouraged to take part in character assassination of any of our candidates...can't we count on the other party to do that for us??.....I feel as though I need a shower after reading some of these posts, hard to believe they are being posted on a DEMOCRATIC WEB SITE, by fellow DEMOCRATS..wb..(who was always told, you had to be one, in order to know one)...

[uponit7771]

238. I pray this is true, we dont need to keep bleeding more money on near worthless efforrts

[theboss]

242. Offer her Secretary of State and be done with it

Hell, I would simply tell her to name the job - short of VP - and give it without hesitation.

[Baby Snooks]

243. Graceful exit?

The only graceful exit possible in her mind will be the one from the stage when she accepts the nomination. Which she still intends to accept. And anyone who thinks different is a fool.

If she can get enough superdelegates, she will win the nomination. And she could care less what "the little people" think about it. Their votes really don't count unless they were votes for her.

She made it perfectly clear in Florida, Michigan and Texas that rules do not matter to her. Or anything else, really, including playing fair. Just winning. Winning is all.

Even if she destroys the Democratic Party in the process and loses to McCain. She still would have won the nomination. And been the candidate.

[Demeter]

244. You're Just Trying to Make Me Feel Better

and while the effort is greatly appreciated, think how crushing finding out this was a mistaken rumor would be....

[greyghost]

246. Make it so indeed.

[cooolandrew]

247. KICK

[PoliticalAmazon]

249. NO role for Hillary in an Obama administration. She would stab him in the back in a heartbeat.

Plus, Obama would have to deal with Bill Clinton's obsession with running the country again.

If Obama were to offer her a role in his administration, I'll just stay home this election.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

255. such a relief

wishful thinking

[cooolandrew]

260. KICK

[Life Long Dem]

261. She must be feeling the heat from the security breach but

if she did get out now at this moment the first weekday since the breach came out, then that would make her look that much more guilty. But the good news is that "she didn't flee the country!!"

[leftrightwingnut]

264. It wouldn't surprise me if discussions have been going on for a week or more.

I don't watch Fox News enough to know how Clinton has been treated in the last month or so; however, my investigations early in the primaries were quite surprising. Fox seemed to like Hillary. Ann Coulter, of all people, endorsed her over McCain.

This past weekend I had the opportunity to watch Fox News for 24 hours. Obama, Obama, Obama. Virtually no mention of Clinton, except in passing. It's been a week since his Tuesday speech. The Fox and Friends escapade as reported here on DU seemed very strange to me, almost as if a change of direction were in the works. I know that Murdoch and Clinton have some sort of agreement, so it surprises me that Obama is getting all the air time. I believe that this would only happen if 1) Murdoch abandoned Clinton and made a deal with Obama (not likely), or 2) Murdoch knows about an impending deal and is paving the way for his viewers to accept it.

Just my view of the tea leaves...

[cooolandrew]

270. KICK

[DesEtoiles]

271. kick

[cooolandrew]

273. kick

[crankychatter]

277. bet she did more listening than talking

bet she runs independent with her machine

it's all set up and ready to go

they know she built a machine independent of the DNC

that's what she may have TOLD THEM

nominate me or I'll give it to McCain