Obama has nobody but himsefl to blame for his current situation if he loses the general election

[Herman Munster]

Obama had 3 opportunities to finish Hillary off.

1) New Hampshire

2) Super Tuesday where polls had him ahead in California

3) Texas and Ohio where a win in either could have finished her off

The fact that he failed to do so with all his advantages with the media, organization, and outspending Hillary 3:1, says a hell of a lot about how weak a candidate he would be in the general election.

He is not connecting with large segments of he democratic party - working class whites, older voters, women, and latinos.

And that is a problem and whining that Hillary should quit doesn't change the fact that half the party does not like Obama and there will be massive defections if he is to win the nomination. How arrogant. Politics isn't a charity and there shouldn't be special Obama rules like he's some kind of affirmative action candidate because he's black and can't finish Hillary off.

[polichick]

1. That's ridiculous...

If he wasn't connecting, he wouldn't be leading in EVERY way.

[Herman Munster]

2. you call winning 51-49 connecting?

when more than half of clinton supporters will either vote mccain or sit on their ass at home if he wins?

Yeah, that's connecting.

[Mooney]

41. Right, the person getting the smaller share of that vote is the one who's connecting.

OBAMA HAS GOTTEN MORE VOTES. Jesus Christ!

[depakid]

4. He's not leading in every way

The states Hillary won actually carry more electoral weight than those Obama's won, and I suspect that's how it will remain going into the convention.

[polichick]

9. We're not in the GE - he's winning the race being run NOW.

[joshcryer]

12. If the superdelegates thought he was a winner they would have handed it to him already.

[Herman Munster]

13. what's the point if he wins now and loses to mccain in the general

It's all about the general.

[depakid]

19. Fact remains

he's not leading in every way- and the states he's had some trouble in and lost are pretty important ones for the general election.

Ohio and Pennsylvania, for instance.

[joshcryer]

10. His leads are small, which is why the SDs aren't just giving it to him.

This could be over RIGHT NOW if the SDs picked him.

[bellasgrams]

25. BO is not leading in 'every way'.

[polpilot]

27. Bill Clinton's race baiting has to be outed. This takes time. Obama is patient.

[RBInMaine]

3. You are ABSENT complex demographic, historical, and machine dynamics. Try PoliSci101.

[YankmeCrankme]

5. Everything you say applies equally to Hillary Clinton. What's the point? nt

[jackson_dem]

20. Wrong. Clinton wins the usual level of Dem support against McCain

90% of Obama supporters will vote for her, which is typical for any decent major party nominee. 25% of Clinton supporters and 20% of white Democrats won't vote for Obama. These are numbers that are approaching Mondale territory. Even Dukakis won something like 87% of Dems.

[slick8790]

6. Your "3 opportunities" are bullshit.

1) maybe if your girl didn't cry and have her little "i'm such a poor woman" moment, and actually talked about the issues instead, things would be different.

2) that was precisely one poll which had him ahead, and you judge him performance on one outlier? you're ridiculous.

3) That's rich. Does your back hurt from moving those goalposts so far? Those were states TAILOR MADE for her demographically, where she had huge leads less than a month before.

[bluestateguy]

7. Where to begin

You say that "He is not connecting with large segments of he democratic party - working class whites, older voters, women, and latinos."

Let's concede the point, but your candidate is having the same problem with independents, young people and blacks. The door swings both ways.

[bellasgrams]

28. I don't think you will be seeing as many people voting for him

now that it's been proven he can't walk on water. The kids may still be fooled, but the adults recognize his fatal flaws, and I would be willing to bet there's more to come. He's never been vetted like most politicos but things are starting to emerge.

[leftofcool]

31. You can count on it.........there will be mass defections

[CoffeeCat]

8. Reminder; LET IT SINK! (NT)

[splat]

11. Internet discussion is a distorted demographic -- lots of young, more men, techies, etc.

[thevoiceofreason]

14. Your posts sound more and more desperate

Obama has not once said those things. His staff are supposed to say those things -- think before you speak.

Hillary should go into a closed room, with whatever advisors will accompany her, and determine if she can win. If not, she should get the hell out of the way.

And by the way, he connects fine with those segments you mention. She may connect better with them from time to time -- that's ok. No one has said that she does not have her strengths. They just aren't enough. That's why she should, once she bows out, redouble her efforts to get those traditional democratic strongholds to commit to Obama. In my Texas, for example, she could help turn out the hispanic vote for Obama -- noting to the hispanic districts that it is in their best interest (since they had low delegate entitlements because of their massive defection to BUSH in 2000 and 2004). She could, for the first time, be a Clinton who gave a shit about the party instead of herself .

[splat]

17. 'Desperate' is like 'hysterical' -- for all you know, Hillary will win; events happen

The convention chooses the candidate. Why so anxious to make her quit? Can't your candidate win a long race? If you think he can, no worries.

[bowens43]

23. it's over, give it up.

[bellasgrams]

33. Why ARE you folks so anxious to end the race when there are

still several states and millions of people to vote. For one thing BO could very possibly go down in flames in the next couple of months with the trial in IL and his persoal life now being looked into and his continuing racial remarks.

[lark]

44. Think he'd do that for Hillary if roles were reversed?

No way in hell. I love how so many on this board want Hillary to play good lil woman to big man BO. If he gave a damn about the country, he'd support counting FL and MI votes - he doesn't because all he cares about is himself being the winner. His stance on superdelegates absolutely proves that.

[panader0]

15. He won Texas

[Tom Rinaldo]

35. Yup. Against the will of the people n/t

[against all enemies]

16. Hillary had three opportunities to finish off Obama for the Repubs.

1. By saying McCain was ready for Commander in Chief, and Obama wasn't

2. By having Bill say McCain loved his country and Obama didn't.

3. I can't think of three but by tomorrow she'll screw Obama a couple more times for the Republicans. and it will be reported by Fox News and Hillary supporters will post a link to Fox News like it was some type of progressive media site.

[Forkboy]

18. I agree...which is why Hillary has no one to blame but herself for not even beating such a loser.

[ej510]

21. He lost to Hillary in Ca because of early voting he got more votes...

at the polls on feb 5th than she did. Today he would trounce Hillary here.

[cascadiance]

30. There were also voting discrepancies that kept many votes from being counted until later...

Obama picked up a number of delegates later when the counting finished making the California victory not as big as it once seemed...

Obama actually won in Texas as stated here by getting more delegates when caucuses were added to primary results.

New Hampshire there is still a big question on whether the voting machines integrity were really in order too. By comparison, caucuses, which she likes to dismiss as not as good a measure are a LOT harder for someone to commit election fraud with. They might not be as amenable to getting some people to the polls and also aren't necessarily as desirable from some points of view from the perspective of privacy of one's vote, but they do have their positives too. In addition to not being as "cheatable", they also serve to help get the voter more informed, when people talk in a group setting about why they are voting the way they are, in order to get to resolution on how the commitments should be divided up between the delegates.

[bowens43]

22. Wow. What a ridiculous post.

I have never seen anyone so wrong about so much so often.

Face it, your queen has had her obnoxious ass handed to her. It's over, She never had a shot. She'll never be president. If she had been able to steal the nomination, McCain would have crushed her in the GE.

[GoldieAZ49]

24. He thinks he is going to get the voters because he has the D after his name

rude awakening and the voter blocks you have listed are not all that will not support him

[scheming daemons]

26. List of answers...

1) Obama got the same amount of delegates from NH as Hillary

2) Obama won more states, more votes, and more delegates on Super Tuesday than Hillary

3) Obama got more delegates out of Texas than Hillary did.


Nice try, Herman.

[leftofcool]

32. And he will still lose the GE

[scheming daemons]

36. Thank you , Nostradamus..... your "opinion" is no more valid than mine....

Hillary is a MUCH bigger liability in the GE.

[Life Long Dem]

29. I've heard it all now!

Some fail to give credit to Obama where credit is deserved.

A year ago it was Obama who?

[wileedog]

34. HIllary was up 30 points in every category 3 months ago

If anyone should be looking in the mirror and blaming themselves for completely brainfarting an election, it ain't Obama.

[democrattotheend]

37. I don't disagree with everything you said, but the California thing is ridiculous

Half the people there voted early, many before Obama even burst onto the radar screen after winning Iowa. When I saw that Zogby poll that had him ahead by 13 in California a couple days before I knew it was ridiculous.

That being said, I am a little worried about the fact that day-of deciders have tended to break for Clinton in most places, though he had made progress in that area until March 4. I am a little afraid that he will be leading in the general election polls but people will get skittish about his perceived lack of experience or there will be a Bradley effect and he will lose the last-minute deciders. I hope I am wrong but I am concerned about it.

[SeaLyons]

38. Agree......Obama will not win the GE

Hillary is still in the race because he has not taken her out, and he cannot beat McCain. That's just a fact.

[Mooney]

39. I can't believe the shit you say sometimes.

"Politics isn't a charity and there shouldn't be special Obama rules like he's some kind of affirmative action candidate because he's black and can't finish Hillary off."

What an unbelievably ignorant and off-base thing to say.

This was never a level playing field, but if anyone is benefiting from special rules, it's Hillary. If Obama had lost 11 contests in a row he would have dropped out. In fact, if he had lost five contests in a row, he would have dropped out. Hillary owes the entire fact that she's still in the race to 16 years of name recognition. The fact that she now trails Obama says a hell of a lot more about what a weak candidate she is, not the other way around.

She went into this race with every advantage imaginable --- she was the presumptive nominee before she even announced her candidacy, she has been a household name for the better part of two decades, and she was ahead in some polls by as much as 30%. With all those advantages, she should have put everyone away by Super Tuesday if she had been even halfway competent.

If you see someone blowing those advantages, then you know who the weaker candidate is. (Hint: It's Hillary)

[JoFerret]

42. lets count the votes

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[mckeown1128]

40. Just start the boycott already... nt

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

43. .