So the emerging media consensus (Halperin/Todd) is that Hillary has to win NC or she is done

[Tropics_Dude83]

Chuck Todd noted this on MTP on Sunday morning and on MSNBC Friday. Mark Halperin is echoing it now on the page he has at Time.com. and calls it "emerging consensus". To have any viable shot at the nomination, Hillary has to win North Carolina or else the calls for her withdrawal will echo loud and clear.

Also, I am getting another impression, that the media is largely discounting Pennsylvania now as a guaranteed Clinton big win and not a massive momentum state, which is good news, since Clinton can't lose the state with all the establishment support she has.

[Life Long Dem]

1. Moving the goal post up? It was PA, and things have not changed.

[mnhtnbb]

2. Bill was here in NC this week. Says Hillary will be making a campaign stop in NC

once a week for the next 6 weeks. NC's never had this much attention for our late primary.

On edit: Obama was also here this last week.

[slinkerwink]

6. oh, boy

[mnhtnbb]

8. There's a lot of Hillary support in NC. Erskine Bowles, Bill's Chief of Staff,

ran for the Senate but couldn't beat Liddy Dole. Now he's President of the University system and everybody
loves him in that job.

[mmonk]

13. And of course both democratic candidates for governor

have declared for Obama.

[mnhtnbb]

18. And both are running a name-calling campaign against each other.

Just like the big kids, no?

[Tom Rinaldo]

3. Hillary has to win one or more states in which she is not favored now

along with solidly winning the contests where it is already believed that she will do will. The burden of proof for her is higher now than it is for Obama. I accept that, it comes with the territory of being behind in the pledged delegate count. In order to have a plausible case to make for winning the nomination in the face of that, she has to finish very strong and be pulling away from Obama in public perceptions and opinion polls with momentum strongly running her way into June. I suspect that she has to win a state like North Carolina or Oregon. Or at the very least come very close in them while very decisively winning Indianna and PA by large margins.

[Skwmom]

16. So Clinton's media pals talk up the Clinton camps latest moving goal post

then the Clinton camp preaches as gospel that Clinton needs to achieve their own created goal in order to win the primary b/c it is the media consensus. This is downright laughable.

[slinkerwink]

4. I'm tired of the goal posts being moved.

It should've stopped at the 24 yard line with Wisconsin.

[BeatleBoot]

10. They should have never tried to lock them in one spot.

This baby is fluid my friend.

[dkf]

5. The media love for Hillary to be trashing Obama and making a hash of the Democratic party.

She certainly is entertaining for them.

They are all sheep anyway.

[BeatleBoot]

7. Halperin? You do remember him back in 2004 right?

Here's an emerging consensus....

On to June 7th.

[Bullet1987]

9. PA may be Clinton's biggest win since...a while

And it was like that before this bad week for Obama. If she wins big like everyone expects her to, it won't mean much. Obama won big for 11 straight contests...

Did Chuck Todd say if Obama lost NC, then it's over for him? That's what he said Friday.

[Tropics_Dude83]

11. Now he modified that and said

"He'd be in big trouble if he did" even though the math argues against that.

[Drunken Irishman]

14. He said if Obama loses BOTH Indiana and NC he'd be in big trouble.

A split is a win for Obama.

[papau]

12. 33% AA at 92% O means Hill needs over 70% of white vote to win - if she wins Obama withdraws?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

15. Hillary will lose NC

[Capital_Hill_Ender]

17. Yes she will

[mnhtnbb]

19. Dem primaries in NC are open. If you're unaffiliated, you can

choose to vote either Repub or Dem. We have a big unaffiliated population. I wouldn't be surprised
to see them go for Hillary.

Last poll I saw they were running even in NC.