Is Hillary Clinton's backup plan, to become McCain's running mate?

[FlyingSquirrel]

Or is it crazy to even be thinking that?

:shrug:

I'm just wondering. I know I'm not the first to bring up this possibility.

[MADem]

1. I vote for crazy. NT

[avrdream]

2. No. Independent candidate instead.

That is the rumor that is out there on the blogs.

I think Lieberman is working on the McCain VP part.

[krawhitham]

34. Then she better drop out now

If she lets it goes to the convention at the end of August, she will not have enough time to get on the ballots for each state

[better tomorrow]

3. it wouldn't surprise me.....

[Johnny__Motown]

4. I doubt it, she is poison,. even McCain would not have her. who the fuck would vote for that ticket?

[Life Long Dem]

5. It's like she's forcing us to take her, or we'll see McCain who will

gladly take over from Bush.

[Olney Blue]

6. No way.

[gateley]

7. Yeah --

I think once you removed the lime green helmet you were conked in the noggin :7

Not only do I not think she'd switch parties, the Republicans' dislike of Hillary is legendary. They're having enough trouble bringing disgruntled R's into the McCain fold, don't think they'd toss in Hillary to make it even more of a challenge.

[Capital_Hill_Ender]

41. I agree

[baldguy]

8. Yes.

[Bluebear]

9. Yes, because Rush & the Republican dittoheads would just welcome her to the ticket.

:eyes:

[dkf]

10. No her backup plan is to make sure Obama loses the GE then she runs in 2012. TYT think maybe too.

Cenk Uygur

Is Hillary Positioning for 2012?

"If Senator Obama sustains serious political wounds going into the general election and winds up losing, then
Hillary Clinton is sitting pretty in 2012.

In four years, John McCain will be 209 years old, and coming off a disastrous first term. We will still be in Iraq and the country will be dying for change. If you thought the voters wanted change now, imagine what the situation will be in 2012. Imagine how starved the electorate will be for a Democrat if McCain just spent four years replicating George W. Bush's policies - as he is adamantly promising to do on the campaign trail.

At that point, Senator Clinton would be able to swoop in and say, "See, you went with Obama last time and he lost, just like I told you. Now, nominate me, and I will take this White House back like we should have four years ago!"

Having narrowly lost to Obama in the primary, she would be in a great position to say "It's my turn! Let's get this right!"

Is she that cynical? Does she care that little about her own party or her own principles? Remember, a McCain win signs us up for more years in Iraq, a possible new war with Iran, an untold number of conservative judges on the Supreme Court, a probable overturn of Roe v. Wade, four more years of economic pain for the lower and middle class and ... no healthcare reform for another four years.

Is anyone that politically craven? To risk all that so they have a better chance of winning in 2012? I hope not. I hope she is just being delusional and thrashing about in misguided desperation as she continues to wound Obama going into the general election.

But if she is doing this on purpose - and she wants Obama to lose this time around so she has a better chance of winning in 2012 - she better make damn sure that news doesn't leak. Because that kind of political crime would be unforgivable. Unforgivable."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/is-hillary-positioning-fo_b_92904.html

[FlyingSquirrel]

16. Well I tell ya what....

(And I might make this into a new OP)

If she's trying to screw Obama over so she can win in 2012 she is not succeeding. Why? Because although her campaign may be doing some of McCain's dirty work, they're doing it early enough that it'll be "old news" and thoroughly addressed and/or discredited long before the heart of the GE campaign.

Also, Obama's fundraising has actually INCREASED, possibly as a result of people feeling he's getting a bum deal, so even if he must continue to spend money campaigning against her through June it probably won't hurt him financially.

Then there's the fact that this prolonged race gets him just TONS of free publicity on the tube every single night. Plus the fact that it increases interest in his campaign in the final remaining states - otherwise they'd lose interest and that could translate to fewer votes in the GE.

So I'm all for Hillary staying in till June 3. But NOT till the Convention. That would not allow enough time for the party to come back together in time for the GE.

[jenmarie]

18. You guys can set this up

however you like, but the millions of us supporting Hillary are not going to buy it. IF Obama gets the nomination, he will lose the GE. We have known this all along, so your little pre-planned excuses of why he'll lose won't fool us. But I guess it will make you feel better? Sort of fits the radical regressive 20 year theory -- anything wrong or bad is the Clinton's fault! Yeah, that's it!

[dkf]

20. He won't lose the election, but it will be in spite of her efforts.

He will have to be strong because he is going to have to fight the tag team of McCain/Clinton.

[FlyingSquirrel]

22. But the problem is, WE'VE known all along

that if Hillary gets the nomination, SHE will lose the GE.

You have your knowledge, we have ours. I almost wish she would win the nomination so she could lose the GE and prove it.

But not quite.

At least I get to support someone who I feel is closer to me in outlook and on the issues (and is a more positive candidate). If he loses, he loses. Hillary would do no better.

[jenmarie]

35. Yes, you're right

We each have our own knowledge. I don't quite get how you believe Obama is a positive candidate though. He is as much a politician who will do anything to win as Hillary is.

And the funny thing is I've said several times, it would almost be worth Obama getting the nomination to watch the him go down in flames.

But not quite.

[Maven]

11. I dunno. Is Donnie McClurkin on Obama's shortlist?

:puke:

[Yes We Did]

33. I love that Shrillary wit. n/t

[Maven]

40. Love you Obama drones right back

:loveya:

[NoBushSpokenHere]

12. If she doesn't I have lost $500 on a bet made today that she

would do it. They will sell the idea on the repubs that it is "Unifying" and that it is better than having a bleeding heart liberal in office - AND NO I WOULDNT CALL BARACK A BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL BUT YOU KNOW THEY WILL In fact, I support him but he isn't liberal enough for my tastes.

[emilyg]

13. crazy.

Squirrels like nuts.

[lligrd]

14. McCain Would Have To Be Crazy....

Hmmmm.

[Ichingcarpenter]

15. She has 4000 reasons now to think about it

Since they both voted for the War.

[KingFlorez]

17. It will never happen

It's silly to even say that it will when there is no evidence she would do anything so stupid.

[workinclasszero]

19. Wouldn't surprise me a bit

Hillary could cut a deal with her close friend McCain. He takes her on as VP and promises to step aside after one term so Hillary can run for prez again in 2012. He'll be so senile by then, he won't know his own name anyway.

I mean, hey Hillary won't be able to run against President Obama as a dem in 2012 right?

Its not a stretch to imagine Hillary and McCain together on the same ticket. Both are war hawks, both are neocons and both have sold their souls to the highest, big business, free traitor bidder.

Hell, Hillary has endorsed McCain over Obama on at least three occasions. Watch her drop the pretense of being a democrat when it finally hits her that she has zero chance of being POTUS until 2016.

I can't wait for Hillary's final betrayal, when she joins her chicken hawk neocon allies in the rethug party!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

21. Sure sounds like it the way she's talking up her drinking buddy McBush.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

26. Vodka buddies

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/29/washington/29rivals.html?pagewanted=print

It was during their joint trip to Iraq in late February 2005 that Mr. McCain and Mrs. Clinton appeared via satellite on “Meet the Press,” an appearance that put their civility on display. When Mr. Russert asked Mr. McCain at the end of the interview whether he thought Mrs. Clinton would make a good president, Mrs. Clinton came to his rescue, saying: “Oh, we can’t hear you, Tim!”

“Yeah, you’re breaking up,” Mr. McCain added, laughing. But then he said: “I happen to be a Republican and would support, obviously, a Republican nominee, but I have no doubt that Senator Clinton would make a good president.”

Asked the same question about him, Mrs. Clinton replied without skipping a beat: “Absolutely.”

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

42. Hillary/McCain - disgusting. Go get a room why don't you. My wife thinks they probably did.

[FlyingSquirrel]

23. Wow, such a polarizing question. Should have made it a poll.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

28. Here is a poll - not the same one but similar

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5210110

[FlyingSquirrel]

31. Hmmm... strange one.

Polls on DU are overrated anyway. I was thinking more of a poll that just asked whether people thought she was trying to position herself for possible selection as his RM or not. But I have a better idea for what to use my third post for so I don't want to waste it on a poll like that.

[Auntie Bush]

24. Will Obama beg Hillary for the VP position if she is our candidate?

Just wondering while we're asking stupid questions.

[FlyingSquirrel]

27. No, she'll have to beg him. nt

[Auntie Bush]

25. Will Obama beg Hillary for the VP position if she is our candidate?

Just wondering while we're asking stupid questions.

[Ichingcarpenter]

29. Hillary will ask him 4000 times and he will still say No

that he was against the war and will make better choices than her.

And Guess What? She is not a good choice for VP either.

[Auntie Bush]

30. If he 's so good at making good judgments

then why the hell did he choose Wright to be his pastor etc.?

I would say he made very poor judgment and used his speaking skills to wiggle out of that blunder.

[Yes We Did]

32. I posed that question not too long ago...

And was practically crucified for it. I also brought up the possibility of her running as a third party and was crucified again for that.

Of course, then the other day one of her supporters posted a thread suggesting that she ran as an independent... and they ate it up.

Good luck... Hope you got nine lives, cuz you're gonna need it after this thread.

[MonkeyFunk]

36. No

stupid idea.

[LordJFT]

37. Do you honestly think this or are you trying to start a flame war?

Us Obama supporters should take the lead on stopping posting this kind of nonsense. One can only hope some of the more inflammatory Hillaryites on this board will follow.

[goletian]

38. would clinton supporters vote for such a ticket? - nt

[tammywammy]

39. Nah, I don't think so

Though I don't think she'll be too supportive in the GE.