I guess Hillary Clinton Lying isnt That Important of a Story

[MadBadger]

So I'm watching Morning JOe and after leading off with the 4,000 dead in Iraq and the Wright story, more than a week after the fact, 30 minutes in they talk about Hillary Clinton and her trip to Bosnia. They do a half ass reporting job where they Pat Buchannan and Willie Geist laugh and say she screwed up and then say this story is no big deal and it will just go away. Unbelievable. The reason it will go away is because of the media and people like them not putting any importance in it. Hillary Clinton flat out lied about her trip to make her look better, and now they are back to slamming Obama. Thanks MSM, more bullshif fron you again.

[babylonsister]

1. The annointed one gets no criticism; Buchanan's agenda is clear. nt

[JTFrog]

2. I'm more interested in her lies about NAFTA and IRAQ/N n/t

[Kahuna]

3. It's not important unless the repukes need to revive it for THEIR use. nt

[Lerkfish]

4. for the record, I consider this more of a campaign rhetoric embellishment.

Her lies about NAFTA and IWR and Kyl Leiberman are much more troublesome to me.

[MadBadger]

5. I disagree, this was a flat out lie

I mean how can you claim that there was no greeting ceremony and that they had to run to the cars, when there is video showing her walking off the plane and saying hi to a little girl? That is just reckless lying by Hillary. The whole story is a lie.

[Lerkfish]

8. I'm talking about relative harm to the country.

I WISH the bosnia trip was all she lied about.

[superkia]

39. Is there really a video? I heard that she lied about it but nothing else!

[Sadie4629]

6. It's not an issue because

many people have known for years that HRC is a liar. Most people don't expect her to tell the truth.

[WinkyDink]

7. Thanks for the UNITY post.

Make a liar out of Obama's promise!

[Perry Logan]

9. Another false accusation of lying made against Hillary is no kinda news story at all, my friend.

[MadBadger]

10. C'mon Perry, enlighten me on how this is a false accusation

She said there was no greeting and they had to run to the cars. Video shows otherwise.

[Perry Logan]

13. I've seen it debunked several times. This happens constantly. That's why there was no story.

[EFerrari]

17. Have you read this thread (link):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5224225&mesg_id=5224225

I'd be interested to know which part of that is wrong.

[Perry Logan]

19. Everything except responses 6, 29, 78, and 92 is wrong. Now stop giving me homework assignments.

[EFerrari]

21. What part of that OP is wrong?

[Dawgs]

22. So the answer is no; you can't show where it has been debunked.

Thanks.

[Perry Logan]

29. I gave specific posts where it got debunked. Sheesh.

The point--for any normal readers out there--is that some people are unnaturally biased against the Clintons. For them, all accusations against the Clintons are instantly and totally believed. They like to start threads, like this one, in which they agree on what a terrible villain Hillary is, thus insulting the substantial number of people who like Hillary just fine.

I call this disorder Clintophobia. It's a weird phenomenon which has been noted by many at DU. In such an atmosphere, it's illogical to believe any accusations against the Clintons.

[Dawgs]

31. No you didn't. The posts you referenced prove that she lied.

You can blame it on people not liking Clinton all you want - the facts show she lied.

No hate here.

[tabasco]

64. Hillary said she misspoke (lied).

What do you say now?

Is Hillary part of this Clintonphobia phenomena?

[polichick]

11. The right knows they can beat Hillary - they're scared to death of Obama.

[Perry Logan]

15. I challenge you to show us some evidence for this.

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true, you know.

[PM7nj]

51. Just watch the news for 5 minutes.

The medias reaction to anything Obama says = RACIST! MUSLIM! COMMUNIST! EMPTY SUIT!

When Hillary HIGHLY embellishes a story (notice I didn't even say lie) their reaction = Ha Ha Ha! Thats funny... now lets talk some more about Rev Wright!

[ariesgem]

12. I had to turn it off. There's such a double standard when it comes to

the "vetting" of Obama vs Clinton or McCain. They seem to be scared shitless of the Clintons. McCain is treated like America's grandpa. The good thing I can take from this media clusterfuck is that for as long as Obama's been in the race, these commentators have consistently called it wrong about him. They seem to reside in a bubble.

THE MEDIA'S REPORTING ON OBAMA

Barack Obama?????

He's inexperienced.

Is he black enough?

Is he too black?

He has a funny name!

Will white people vote for him???

Will black people vote for him???

He smokes!

He did drugs!

Was he a drug dealer???

CLINTON'S AHEAD BY A WHOPPING 5 POINTS!!!

Obama has a insignificant lead of only 5 points.

OMG, he wants to talk to our enemies and bomb Pakistan!!!

Is he a Muslim?

STOP THE PRESSES!!! We have a 30-second sound bite from his church. He's a radical black Christian! He's officially "the BLACK candidate".

:nuke:

Fuck the media. Obama continues to win and proves them all wrong.

[Connie_Corleone]

14. Your post should be a seperate thread. I agree 100%

I watched MTV hits instead of watching Morning Joe. I didn't want to hear them bashing Obama...again before I went to work. I don't need that kind of negativity in the morning.

[ariesgem]

25. Thanks.

:hi:

[grantcart]

44. he's left handed

[ariesgem]

65. lol I forgot that one.

America will NOT elect a left handed President. What will the rest of the world think of us. ;-)

[azmouse]

47. McCain is the pet of the media.

He has numerous telecom lobbyists working for him and he takes a ton of telecom money.
The media knows that if elected, McSame will do their bidding.

[MadBadger]

16. Howard Wolfson is dodging the Bosnia question on Morning JOe

[Rockholm]

18. Iraq is MUCH more important to me.

[TwilightGardener]

53. So her big fat lie doesn't change your opinion about her?

[Rockholm]

66. Nope. Your sig line just strengthens my zeal for her.

[Dawgs]

20. If they bring her down their ratings go down as well.

It seems to fit their agenda, so I'm not surprised.

[H2O Man]

23. It did get some play

on MSNBC this morning. It is less important that Mr. Buchanan says that a politician's telling outrageous lies does not matter -- he is, of course, a Nixonite -- than that Americans who do not watch YouTube had the opportunity to listen to Clinton's false description of the events, then watch the film that shows what actually happened.

[MadBadger]

24. It got some play later, but it was only Mika trying to hold Wolfson's feet to the fire

And she is not good at that at all.

[H2O Man]

27. The earlier report

was good. The most important thing is for people to see the two sets of film: Clinton's description of events, and the film of the actual events. Neither Buchanan or Wolfson can say anything that changes the mental images that result from watching those films.

[SoCalDem]

26. According to her campaign.. I have seen the news footage..

Did all the media who were there, go back and edit their tapes & coverage, to "make her look bad"?

Nope.. she got caught in an exaggeration.. But she's not getting GORED, now is she?? No one is saying she LIED....just that she stretched the truth.. no one is accusing her the way they all did with Gore..she's getting a pass..

[DangerDave921]

28. What? A politician lied? OMG!!!

I can't believe that a politician would lie to exaggerate her experience! I am outraged! I just cannot believe how far our country has sunk!!!

[4themind]

30. WHen Obama is accused of using WORDS that aren't his

THAT becomes a big story, when hillary is accused of using EXPERINCES that aren't her's, she get's relatively little mention from what I've seen on the MSM. To spin HIllary's own "words" around: "If your whole candidacy is about experience, they should be your own experiences.”
And before you say well they expect hillary to lie, well then don't you THINK that anyone DOESN't know about obama's association with wright, but they seem to keep playing it ad nauseam anyway.

[redqueen]

32. Well said.

:hi:

[Az_lefty]

33. the great Hillary always gets a pass...she's inevitable, ya know.

[marshall]

34. Hillary Clinton lying is old news, it's so well known it isn't newsworty

Maybe the tabloids could take it up. YOu don't see endless stories in the MSM about Oprah being fat or Lindsay Lohan being drunk or Britney Spears being an unfit mother because everybody already knows it.

[eleny]

35. Did Keith deal with this yet?

I can't remember if he did on Friday. But I think it broke late around here. I'd count on him to bring it up. It's so up his alley. :D

[FrenchieCat]

36. Letters. That's what I'm writing.....and making phone calls.

[tabasco]

37. Obama threatens the status quo of rule by the rich.

The corporate media will do everything to protect its masters and take down Obama.

Hillary and her shills here on DU are tools of the plutocracy.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

46. Ding ding ding!

No matter what people think about Obama not being "liberal enough" on this site, the fact that he has over a million small donors has the elitists crapping their pants. He will not be as easily controlled as McSame or Clinton.

[thoughtcrime1984]

38. Obama will get hammered every day from now until the day

he conforms to what the corporations want, or until the day he dies. The media is a f'ing joke, they are owned by big business, and will always be the mouthpiece for big business.

[Texas Hill Country]

40. no, because it was dumb... oh, and Barak lied about not hearing that shit out of his preacher too..

who cares...

[ClassWarrior]

48. So you're saying it's okay that your candidate is a liar?

NGU.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

49. Put up some proof that Obama was in the pews for those comments or STFU.

I'll be waiting.

Liar.

[sunnystarr]

41. I figured that after what I saw or actually

didn't see yesterday. NBC/MSNBC has lost one daytime viewer ... not that they care anyways. I'll always watch KO but I'm done with the rest. I used to have them tuned in all day until 9pm CT lol.

[MNDemNY]

42. Your avitar is sooo telling.

[genie_weenie]

43. I'm waiting for the 81mikemike Mortars and Stingers she had to avoid landing into Afghanistan for

the 2003 Loya Jirga.

The Bosnia lie is on par with Commander codpiece claiming combat flight experience landing on the carrier for Mission Accomplished!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

45. After what they did to Al Gore for his supposed "exaggerations"!!

OMFG! The MSM is clearly trying to destroy Obama so they can get either one of the corpo-candidates in there.

[TwilightGardener]

50. Obama must be perfect, in all words, deeds, and associations. People expect Hillary to lie

her ass off. It's what makes her so charming. No one expects anything approaching integrity out of her.

[Megahurtz]

52. That's because

the RW wants her to run against McCain so bad that they can taste it. They're hoping to save it for the GE.

The RW does not want to see Bill back in the WH again so they hope to save everything nasty to dredge up about him (and Hillary) in the GE so she would lose to McCain.

They will not bring it up now because they do not want Hillary to lose to Obama, because Obama can win against McCain.

[grantcart]

54. MSNBC has just run it with full video

Andrea Mitchell was on the trip


10:52 PDT

[JackORoses]

58. it's catching on. This will be a doozy by the time KO gets ahold of it.

[VolcanoJen]

55. Andrea Mitchell's talking about it right now on MSNBC

She just mentioned that she was also on that trip, and that for the first time, her campaign team is admitting that Clinton "may have misspoke."

Andrea and Bob Shrum say they are puzzled by why Clinton would embellish this particular Bosnia trip.

[TwilightGardener]

56. "MAY have misspoke"? Mwa hah hah hah!!!

[slinkerwink]

57. good

[MadBadger]

59. They stuck in in the final 5 minutes of the hour. I'm waiting for some real coverage.

[grantcart]

63. I have had a double take on this

I think that they think that it is so explosive that it will be the blow that ends the Clinton campaign that they are afraid to give it too much weight.

I think that they are waiting for the bloggers to make it a story on its own.

It is true that MSM haven't covered this - but the bloggers haven't really embraced it either.

[julialnyc]

60. My email to David Gregory's show (which they pick some emails to air)

I listen to the media go on and on about the fact that the Wright story won’t die, but the only people talking about it is the media (Clinton and McCain haven’t made a peep). Is someone making you cover this, or is it just good for ratings?

McCain (not his pastor or someone who endorsed him) made a huge mistake last week (confused in what is regarded his area of expertise) and it’s pawned off as no big deal. Clinton got caught out in a flat out lie about her trip to Bosnia and barley a blip of it.

Why won’t you let this story die? It’s not even about the candidate himself and everyone is certainly aware of it by now. Don’t you think it’s time to move on?

[stillcool]

61. Standard Operating Procedure...

Lie, Cheat, and Steal...and sue.

[BumRushDaShow]

62. Sadly, "race" sells and lies are par for the course.

:eyes:

:banghead: