From imaginary sniper fire to a campaign in the red, Hillary's primary run is one of the worse

[ProSense]

First, are we ever going to see Hillary's tax return, earmark and donor lists? Are they going to release the rest of the Clinton papers including donors to the Clinton library?

Showing transparency, Obama releases papers

—David Jackson and John McCormick
8:29 AM CDT, March 23, 2008

Sen. Barack Obama's campaign released a new set of documents Saturday in its ongoing effort to paint the Illinois Democrat as more open and transparent in his dealings than Sen. Hillary Clinton.

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The Rezkos were among 117 people who were listed on that 2004 committee. The other two lists released to the Tribune included the names of 279 national finance committee members for Obama's current presidential bid and nearly 550 past and present Senate office interns.

Many of his top fundraisers were already known, but Obama's campaign had never before agreed to release the entire list. The other records also had never before been provided for review.

The documents were offered a week after Obama met with reporters and editors at the Tribune, as well as those at the Chicago Sun-Times, to discuss his relationship with Rezko.

Where is Hillary's information?

Former First Lady and current Senator Hillary Clinton, campaigning with former two-term President Bill Clinton, enjoying a more than 30-point lead and near royalty status, embark on a campaign for the Democratic nomination. After relying on their own arrogance and with Hillary falling behind, her campaign decided the only way to win was to go negative.

The Pinocchio Test

Attempts to cover for Hillary are showing that she intentionally misstated her positions

The backstabbers cry betrayal

Obama "did a much better job paying his bills." Debt: $625K vs. Hillary's $13.7 million (w/loan)

Hillary's campaign wants to have a transparency battle?

Delegate, popular vote scenarios just got a lot worse for Hillary

Hillary's shame: embracing McCain

Clinton on Ferraro, Bill (and a late, off the mark non-apology) (the media created the phony Wright controversy to cover up this)

Hillary's "scorched earth" strategy gets her nowhere. Obama widens the margin

Drug dealer, fairy tale, imaginary hip black friend, gang bang, cult, shuck-and-jive, Hispanics don't vote for black people, Obama is Somalian, Obama meets with former terrorists, all from Hillary's campaign and surrogates.

The Slow-Motion Implosion of Hillary Clinton’s Campaign: It Took a Village

"Clinton Lies About Plagiarism Attack," and "plagiarizes" John Kerry

"Hillary Clinton is failing the test as a manager"

Hillary should have fired Mark Penn for consistently being wrong

How Hillary's campaign managed itself into a ditch—and how it might get itself out (updated)

"Clinton aides and donors say the candidate herself never expected Obama to be so competitive"

Bill Clinton, the 'mea culpa tour'

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[ProSense]

2. You really need to edit your post, that language isn't necessary! n/t

[Coexist]

3. two broke campaigns, one flush with cash -

who do you want running the country?

[ProSense]

4. Impossible to ignore!

Anyone still making excuses for Hillary's campaign is in denial!

[ProSense]

5. Oops! Too late to edit title, should be "worst" n/t

[Tatiana]

6. It is very sad that this sort of campaign is the best Hillary Clinton can come up with.

The Tuzla thing was just so weird. I'm tempted to believe that, like McCain, Hillary just had a "senior" moment of confusion. But then again, she (along with Bill) is one of the most calculating politicians of the modern Democratic party. That's one of Hillary's problems: we never know what to believe.

One day she is honored to be with you and the next she's growling "Shame on you!!!!"

[ProSense]

11. Agree! n/t

[Az_lefty]

7. her campaign is a reflection of her ability to run an organization..

she clearly doesn't have the leadership skills or organizational abilities to run the White House or the Country. There's no blaming the people around her either, they are there by her choosing.

[ProSense]

18. It's fascinating to watch the meltdown. n/t

[tabasco]

8. What is H. Clinton hiding in all those secret papers?

What is Hillary hiding from Democratic voters?

[jgraz]

10. Well, given that every release uncovers more lies, I'd have to say

LIES.

[kid a]

46. k

[Catherina]

9. K & R and blogrolled! n/t

[ProSense]

12. Hillary failed the Pinocchio test.

At what point in her divisive, fabricated and mismanaged campaign does it become clear that she should be disqualified?

[Scurrilous]

13. K & R

:thumbsup:

[XemaSab]

14. If the press were doing its job

she would no longer be polling in double digits nationwide.

[Debi]

15. they are doing their job - which is to keep it interesting and keep them reporting

How long has it been since the press started creating the news instead of reporting it?

[ProSense]

17. Or keep Hillary in long enough

to boost McCain.

[BumRushDaShow]

16. Exactly. K&R

Free pass as usual.

[ProSense]

19. Clinton: Wright would not have been my pastor

Clinton: Wright would not have been my pastor

UPDATE: Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton fires back, "If Senator Clinton has decided that she now wants to play politics with this issue, that’s her disappointing choice, but it won’t do anything to help us solve the larger challenges facing this country."

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

43. I really admire

Obama's ability to stay out of the mud, if he can manage that against Clinton hell manage against McCain..

[ProSense]

20. I think we need to give Hillary Clinton a break. After all - she's only trying to win here, right?

I think we need to give Hillary Clinton a break. After all - she's only trying to win here, right?

[JayFredMuggs]

42. Brilliant read !

[grantcart]

21. when contributions drop she will stop

[ProSense]

31. Until then, the attempts to portray Hillary as a victim will continue. n/t

[ProSense]

22. NBC-WSJ POLL: NEW CLINTON LOWS

NBC-WSJ POLL: NEW CLINTON LOWS

Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 6:30 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's Chuck Todd
As expected, one of the two major Democratic candidates saw a downturn in the latest NBC/WSJ poll, but it's not the candidate that you think. Hillary Clinton is sporting the lowest personal ratings of the campaign. Moreover, her 37% positive rating is the lowest the NBC/WSJ poll has recorded since March 2001, two months after she was elected to the U.S. Senate from New York.

The poll was conducted Monday and Tuesday this week by Hart-McInturff and surveyed 700 registered voters, which gives the poll a margin of error of +/- 3.7%. In addition, we oversampled African-Americans in order to get a more reliable cross-tab on many of the questions we asked in this poll regarding Sen. Barack Obama's speech on race and overall response to last week's Rev. Jeremiah Wright dustup.

On that issue specifically, 32% of folks said he "sufficiently addressed the issue," while 26% of those folks believe he needs to address the Wright controversy further; 31% of voters surveyed did not see the speech or had no opinion. Interestingly, of those voters who said they saw the speech, 47% said Obama sufficiently addressed the Wright issue while 37% said he needs to address it further. Among whites, 45% were satisfied with Obama's explanation, 38% were not; Among blacks, 67% said the speech was sufficient while 25% want him to address it further.

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One thing about these head-to-head matchups: our pollsters found that for the second poll in a row, more than 20% of Clinton and Obama supporters say they would support McCain when he's matched up against the other Democrat. There is clearly some hardening of feelings among some of the most core supporters of both Democrats, though it may be Obama voters, who are more bitter in the long run.

Why? Because among Obama voters, Clinton has a net-negative personal rating (35-43) while Clinton voters have a net-positive view of Obama (50-29). Taken together, this appears to be evidence that Obama, intially, should have the easier time uniting the party than Clinton.

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[ProSense]

23. "Threatening the DCCC is equal to threatening the superdelegates "

UPDATE: ABC News' Political Director David Chalian reports that a Democratic operative unaffiliated with either campaign and familiar with the reaction to the letter among Members of Congress says, "Members of Congress - who are superdelegates - make up the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee" or DCCC from which the donors seemed to be threatening to withhold funds.

"Threatening the DCCC is equal to threatening the superdelegates Sen. Hillary Clinton's trying to court. The Clinton donor letter will just push undeclared superdelegates in Congress leaning toward Obama to endorse him sooner. It also reinforces the narrative that she'll destroy the party to win."

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[ProSense]

24. Hillary for governor?

Hillary for governor?

THERE's an intriguing rumour making the rounds that Hillary Clinton's exit strategy if this presidential thing doesn't work out could be a run for governor of New York. Mind you, this assumes that David Paterson's indiscretions force him to step down and Mrs Clinton drops her bid for (ok, let's say loses) the Democratic presidential nomination.

It is very likely this rumour is being circulated by political foes of Mrs Clinton, hoping to expedite her departure from the primary contest. Would the governorship even make sense for her? She has lost a few friends in the Senate in recent months. And being governor would allow her to demonstrate that hands-on, problem-solving ability she likes to tout.

But there are plenty of downsides: Albany is known as a rough-and-tumble place, not necessarily welcoming to outsiders (as Eliot Spitzer learned). And being governor would seemingly eliminate the possibility for any more of those danger-filled international missions that Mrs Clinton likes to talk about. No, she's a creature of Washington for now. We could see Rudy Giuliani in the governor's seat though.

Meanwhile husband Bill appears to be up to more mischief. What is he doing calling John McCain a moderate?

[ProSense]

25. A Hillary surrogate is at it again:

Add his latest vile post to this and this.

[ProSense]

26. More:

A moment of moral clarity for all pro-Clinton bloggers

[dailykoff]

27. But Hillary's campaign is HISTORIC!

Historically awful! The fact of the matter is that she's a ringer for the RNC knocking the stuffing out of our candidate so Lieberman and his sockpuppet can take him out in the fall. It's disgusting that we have to watch this go on. :mad:

[ProSense]

30. Obama made her do it! n/t

[ProSense]

28. A little spin, goes a long way

Obama was the first to play the race card

Really? Just the facts

Look at the dates in the memo:

Earliest date: DRUG USE (ABC News, 12/12/07)

(Here is a link)

Latest date: SHUCK AND JIVE (Newsday, 1/11/08)

That memo was obviously written after Jan. 11, days after Hillary's MLK comment and a full month after the drug use comment by the Clinton campaign.

Asked for evidence of the Obama campaign's role in fomenting the controversy, a Clinton aide cited a staff memo, leaked to political blogs, that compiled quotes by Clinton and her allies that seemed racially insensitive.

link

So after injecting racially charged comments into the debate and accusing Obamas's campaign of race baiting, Hillary's campaign's proof is a memo written after all her campaign's deliberate race baiting, which has continued:

Drug dealer, fairy tale, imaginary hip black friend, gang bang, cult, shuck-and-jive, Hispanics don't vote for black people, Obama is Somalian, Obama meets with former terrorists, all from Hillary's campaign and surrogates.

[ProSense]

29. Obama Camp: Ickes Story Shows Hillary Campaign Taking "Low Road"

Obama Camp: Ickes Story Shows Hillary Campaign Taking "Low Road"

By Greg Sargent - April 2, 2008, 2:10PM

The Obama camp has now taken a direct shot at the Hillary campaign over our story yesterday reporting that Jeremiah Wright is a topic in discussions between senior Hillary adviser Harold Ickes and the uncommitted super-dels the Clinton camp is wooing.

Asked about our piece on a campaign conference call moments ago, an Obama surrogate, Congressman George Miller, said it was "very unfortunate" and suggested it wouldn't work.

"If they want to work the low road they're welcome to it," Miller said. "But I don't think that will turn people in their favor."

Relatedly, stay tuned for a TPMtv episode all about the Ickes story. We'll have one up at TPM in a couple hours.

[MethuenProgressive]

32. Over 10 Million dollars given away to charities! 10% of their income! That's fantastic!

How'd the Obama family do? Less than one percent, wasn't it?
Well, I guess you can't buy those $600 loafers if you're givin' it all away...

[Starbucks Anarchist]

33. The Obamas aren't worth nine figures, either.

[MethuenProgressive]

34. What's up with that unannounced trip to secret bank account haven BVI?

What was Obama doing there, and why aren't Senator's bags checked by security at airports?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

35. Huh?

:shrug:

[HooptieWagon]

38. BVI is a tourism haven, not secret bank account haven

but don't let the facts stop you from spreading more lies - each time you lie it further discredits your candidate.

[HooptieWagon]

39. The bulk of the Clinton's charitable donations

went to their own charity, that they control. Have we seen the report of donations and expenditures by that charity?

[LTR]

36. Her campaign was not the worst this year

That would be Giuliani.

Clinton comes close.

[ProSense]

37. You're right.

I should have said worst ever for a Dem who could have locked up the nomination on the sheer strength of name recognition. Too bad arrogance got in the way.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

44. Naaa Trudy was doomed from the begining

Pro-Choice (sort of) meant from day one he could not win the GOP nomination he was only the favorite when McCain started to have trouble and before Romney got serious after that he was doomed..

Hillary OTOH had more money, name recognition, experience in presidential races, an 'mojo' than anyone on her side she was the favorite right up until super Tuesday by super Tuesday Rudy was out of it..

[suston96]

40. Sniper fire in a combat zone? Never. Only in the movies.......

"Running with her head down"? Was Bosnia a combat zone in those days? Did troops get combat pay back then?

Yes, it was. Just recently taken off combat pay status.....

http://www.upi.com/Security_Terrorism/Briefing/2007/04/02/bosnia_croatia_no_longer_merit_combat_pay/7598/

Bosnia, Croatia no longer merit combat pay

Published: April 2, 2007 at 10:36 AM

WASHINGTON, April 2 (UPI) -- More than 10 years after the United States led peacekeepers into Bosnia-Herzegovina, it is no longer a combat zone, according to new Pentagon pay rules.

Neither is Angola, Georgia, Sierra Leone, Croatia, and Macedonia. U.S. troops serving in those countries are no longer eligible for the $225 a month in imminent danger pay.

"Periodically, the Department of Defense conducts world-wide reviews to determine whether a continued imminent danger area designation is appropriate. Imminent danger pay is compensation paid at the rate of $225 a month to recognize duty in a foreign area in which the member was subject to the threat of physical harm or imminent danger on the basis of civil insurrection, civil war, terrorism, or wartime conditions," the Defense Department announced Friday.

However, troops in those countries will get minor increases in hardship pay, a stipend to recognize "areas where quality of life is substantially below that most members in the U.S. generally experience. Factors considered include physical environment, living conditions, and personal security."

*****

I do believe that I would run, not walk, with head down on a tarmac located in a combat zone. Sniper fire in a combat zone? Never. Maybe in the movies.......

[ProSense]

41. Iraq is the one of the deadliest places on the planet right now, it would still be a lie to say you

encountered sniper fire there if it didn't happen.

[suston96]

45. In a combat zone you duck and run because you are easy target for sniper fire.....

...especially on a tarmac.

[ORDem]

47. K

:kick:

[lastliberalintexas]

48. If true, then we are in trouble come Nov

If Obama can't beat such a lackluster, lousy campaign from Clinton and secure the delegates needed to win the nomination, then just how poorly will he fare as the nominee once the media turn on him, the 527s start up and McCain takes the gloves off?

:shrug:



Personally, I am not enamored of either candidate and remain uncommitted to this day, but I will vote for the nominee in Nov. Will you do that ProSense, if the nominee happens to be Clinton?

[ProSense]

49. Rove is getting desperate, picking up a bogus claim from Hillary's camp

Rove sees a potential opening in Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers, of whom Fox has turned up an even more recent comment suggesting he's unrepentant about the bombing.

He's also got an interesting observation about the Wright controversy, and how Republicans could drive the Ayers story: "We live in a culture of the visual."

"The question is are there ways to find out the relationsihp between Ayers and Obama that are visual, that give it power and force," he says.

link

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores Her Own Radical Ties (surrogates Taylor Marsh and Larry Johnson help out)

[ProSense]

50. "elitist and divisive"

"He is a good man and a very talented and gifted man but I think his comments were elitist and divisive and the Democratic party has been unfortunately viewed by many people over the last decade as being elitist and out of touch," she said.

"I think what is important about this is that Senator Obama has not owned up to what he said and taken accountability for it," she said, adding Obama had "attacked me for raising his remarks and referencing them."

link

[ProSense]

51. Clinton Surrogate Bob Johnson Says Ferraro Was Right, Obama Only Is Where He Is Because He's Black

Clinton Surrogate Bob Johnson Says Ferraro Was Right, Obama Only Is Where He Is Because He's Black

[ProSense]

52. Bob "Affirmative Action Billionaire" Johnson.

What at clown.