Clinton ‘Misspoke’ About Bosnia Trip, Campaign Says

[ecstatic]

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/clinton-misspoke-about-bosnia-trip-campaign-says/

The Clinton campaign says Senator Hillary Clinton may have “misspoke” recently when she said she had to evade sniper fire when she was visiting Bosnia in 1996 as first lady.

She has been using the episode as an example of her foreign policy bona fides.

...

Asked today to square her recent descriptions with these accounts, Howard Wolfson, her spokesman, referred to several contemporaneous news accounts that described the region as hostile. He then added: “It is possible in the most recent instance in which she discussed this that she misspoke in regard to the exit from the plane, but there is no question if you look at contemporaneous accounts that she was going to a potential combat zone, that she was on the front lines.”

Asked at a later point in the call to clarify his comment, Mr. Wolfson said that news accounts at the time made clear that the area in which she was landing was “a potential combat zone and was hazardous.”

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Misspoke, eh?

Try LIED!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c

[TwilightGardener]

1. Inventing a story = misspoke?

[havocmom]

28. Inventing story = an example of her foreign policy bona fides?

[Alter Ego]

73. Didn't we just get through eight years

of an administration that "misspoke" about everything from their motives behind the Iraq debacle to what Dubya was having for lunch each day?

Hillary did not "misspeak" when she recalled an event that never happened. She LIED.

[indio55555]

95. Senior moment!

[txaslftist]

154. I saw her say it. Didn't sound like "misspeaking" but lying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y

[roseBudd]

165. Did you notice how many times she said Uhh

[BearSquirrel2]

174. She "remembered" ...

She "recalled" what happened. It's not like she read some briefing and was trying to quote it.

[Drachasor]

197. I can't think of anything nice to say about this

<insert witty remark about what happens when she opens her mouth>

*sigh*

Haven't we had enough of this sort of behavior from Bush & Co.?

[Grinchie]

203. Simple Explanation

She was mislead by the administration giving faulty intelligence information about Ira.. Bosnia, Yeah, thats it, Bosnia.

"Curse you Sinbad!" --- Ali Baba, The Arabian Nights

[peoli]

2. Its called a fucking flat out lie. Am I being negative for pointing that out?

[SoCalDem]

9. Yup.. we all know someone who was GORED every time he opened his mouth

and he was NOT exaggerating or lying..
She "mis-speaks"..Mccain Mis-speaks

the press yawns & sez.. Hey she might win this thing.:eyes:

[virtualobserver]

33. If only Gore's mother hadn't sung "look for the union label" to him..

in his cradle.

The MSM is so cynical and used to being lied to that if Fox and the RNC tell them that Gore lied, he lied.

If fox doesn't tell them to go after Hillary for now, than it must not be important.

[LaStrega]

187. That's Bill Clinton?! He looks like freakin' Eddie Haskell! n/t

[SoCalDem]

217. That IS Eddie Haskell (Bill's alter-ego) & Nellie Olson Hill's alter-ego

and of course their little Louisiana pooch Cajun..Carville's alter-ego..(not easy to find a scrawny dog wearing a beret:)

I guess I was a little too subtle :rofl:''you have to be of a certain age..and to have watched Little House on the Prairie to "get" it, I guess :)

[LaStrega]

237. ha!

I had one too many g&t's ... little house on teh prairie? meh. I was buying the hill photo for realz.

*cackle*

[grantcart]

99. Funny she seems to 'misspeak' a lot when ever there is a youtube out there to

collaborate her story

[Coexist]

3. at least they are admitting it.

[Johnny__Motown]

3 days after indisputable video evidence surfaced.. yes, at least then they admit it

[City Lights]

77. They should have admitted it after Sinbad called her out.

Instead he was dismissed as a "comedian." Then the video surfaced. They're admitting it because they had no other choice.

on edit - this post's placement is messed up. It was in response to FLDem5's post about admitting it. Not sure how it ended up here. :crazy:

[grantcart]

100. they didn't think there was video

[psychopomp]

147. I think you're right

[roseBudd]

164. Oh there is always video, including video of Monica

[TwilightGardener]

17. "Misspoke" isn't admitting anything. She made up a tall tale, and now wants

to pretend that her words didn't come out right.

[not_too_L8]

32. their admission is also a mis speak....

considering there was no front line, the war ended three months before the trip took place

[Drachasor]

198. She's admitted it as much as she admitted her IWR was a mistake

Which is not nearly enough.

[MadBadger]

4. She made up a story...that is not misspeaking, that is lying.

[rocktivity]

57. And either she made the up story on purpose, or DIDN'T make up the story on purpose

NEITHER of which inspires confidence in her competence and leadership...

:evilgrin:
rocknation

[MadAndy]

91. The real lie is that she has relevant "experience".

[Fyddlestyx]

200. Exactly!

She pointed to this fabrication as evidence of her experience. Pretty pathetic. I'm appalled that she thought the public was dumb enough to buy into this.

[Poll_Blind]

5. She lied. n/t

PB

[ChairmanAgnostic]

6. That explains it. She and McCain are paternal twins, and share the same

misspeaking disease.

[MadAndy]

79. I think you mean fraternal twins, unless you are trying to say they had the same father. :-)

[ChairmanAgnostic]

148. fratricidal?

something like that

[ericgtr]

7. Admitting to it is enough for me to drop it

there are more important issues to worry about. Obama people, let's be good examples of taking the high road here.

[TwilightGardener]

10. Fuck no. This should be a campaign killer.

[DeschutesRiver]

71. Agree

The level of insecurity that would drive a candidate to repeatedly puff and fluff exerperiences like this is something that disqualifies them from holding the office of presidency. Period. This is just one in a series of "mis-statements" of late. She needs to find some other position to which she is more suited.

It is frightening that with all the "vetting" supposedly going on for C-I-C qualificatins, an candidate with these major instability issues has come this far. Her whole "ready from day one" argument has utterly and irretrievably collapsed. This is so big that I suspect even Clinton knows she is no longer viable at all. Repubs would have a field day with this in the general election, one she would never survive, given all the other similar ammo she has amassed along the way.

I hope efforts to get her to step aside gracefully are in full swing behind the scenes. If not, it is over for the Dem Party come GE time. I would hate to see that happen. I am at the point where voting for Clinton is the same as endorsing another 4 years of Bush, and I will do what it takes to see that doesn't happen to our country. Even if it means a vote for McCain, should this candidate persist in her follies.

[TwilightGardener]

103. You are right--the GOP would never let this go. They would show footage

of McCain in Vietnam, and at the Hanoi Hilton, and contrast it with Hillary's "sniper fire" and "evasive maneuvers"--ugh. I hope the superdelegates take note of this.

[DeschutesRiver]

145. I forgot about that contrast, what a mess that would be

One candidate suffers true danger and torture in the ultimate service of his country, right or wrong; the other one fantasizes about real danger and pretends it really happened to her when it did not. And despite knowing full well that the cameras are always on at such ceremonial events attended by a First Lady.

And what I really don't understand is why she said such things in the first place. Why on earth lie about being exposed to death threatening danger? Like so what? There was absolutely nothing to gain by this falsehood, nothing worth the ultimate destruction of her credibility as a candidate.

[Politicalboi]

177. Because women over 80

Don't watch youtube so she thought she was safe with her 46%. Oh and lets not forget about NAFTA another lie. Or the Rose lawfirm papers. Kinda like looking for WMD's "they gotta be here somewhere". I hope to see her on the stand in the Peter Paul suit. And she is just a liar.

[DeschutesRiver]

221. true

nor do 50 year old women like me who are still suffering with dialup.

There have been several other puffing/whoppers she has told that have not yet caught up with her, and I'd been wondering how long it would take. I think there will be more airings of such things, kind of like the dam has broken on letting her get by with this.

Can't imagine the kind of commercial this will make - just show her making the "war service in Bosnia" speeches; then show the actual footage. What she said versus what she really did. No other commentary.

I finally figured out the NAFTA thing too - the is a disturbing pattern emerging with regards to lying. These aren't mistakes corrected or white lies or even lies on small matters, no mis-statements that can be explained away. These are the kind of lies that are blatant, done by a women who knows that records exist of events she attends or is promoting. There is something wrong with her not just that she lies, but does so knowing how easily caught she can be.

[People4Change]

226. Why "misspeak:"? She's a serial "misspeaker."

Hillary and Bill have lied for years. Their main problem is the Internet allows us to catch them in their lies.

[babylonsister]

11. Yep, as soon as all those Clinton apologists admit they've been had. Again. nt

[PoliticalAmazon]

78. I think we are seeing gullible on the level of Bush Jr supporters

How many times does Hillary Clinton have to make her supporters look like gullible doofi before they've had enough? Sheesh, talk about doormats....

[bigtree]

105. as if Obama hasn't 'misspoken in this campaign . . .

drop it. Obama can be called on worse things related to the controversies surrounding him, not just on a trip like Clinton's where he happened to be representing the best of our country in a war zone.

[TwilightGardener]

106. Obama made up a story of bravery and danger and a narrow escape?

[bigtree]

121. Obama had no incidents similar to the Historic visit of a First Lady to a war zone.

to misspeak about.

[Alexander]

131. At least he didn't lie about being under sniper fire.

I noticed you can't seem to defend that.

[frylock]

222. stay down, luke

[babylonsister]

118. Your ears must have been ringing. And no, why drop it? Doesn't

her lying bother you? Is that a trait you look for in a CIC?

[bigtree]

122. Her misstatement doesn't bother me in the least. Now, misspeaking about Rezko . . .

dribbling out new information every week about his associations with the slum lord . . . that bothers me.

[TwilightGardener]

127. Divert! Divert! Hey, look over there!

[dbmk]

195. How on earth can it be "misspeaking"?

If they could find another incident where the described events took place, I could understand it as being a misspeaking or more correctly a recollection error - which is possible for us all.

But it was quite clear that the Tuzla event was the one she spoke of.
And lets review:
1: They landed under sniper fire.
That one I might chalk up to a slight dramatisation or an unfortunate choice of words - given that she had apparently been told that there was occasional sniper fire in the surrounding area. But the fact is that there was no sniper fire - and according to the general in charge, no threat of it either.

2: They had to run to their cars with their heads down.
Didn't happen. Video clearly shows this.

3: There was no greeting ceremony.
There was. Video clearly shows this.

So out of the claims made, one can possibly be explained away by "misspeaking" - while the rest is pure fabrication (actually fabrication might be a nice way of putting it, given that the exact opposite really happened). And what Wolfson is doing is trying to direct attention away from the obviously false claims, by admitting some sort of casual error on the first one.

But for those not falling for that, it should be quite clear that she is either lying or has a severe problem seperating reality and fantasy. Neither is good. Its actually rather bad.

[Grinchie]

204. And Hilary Being on the Board of Walmart doesn't bother you

Give me a friggin break BigTree. Pull your head out and open your eyes.

[BearSquirrel2]

176. It's not like she was quoting some document ...

She said she recalled being under sniper fire, evasive manuevers, being moved to the cockpit and being hustled to the cars.

No, she figured that would make her look heroic so she started spouting bullshit. BTW, there is nothing wrong with NOT having been on a cargo plane under fire. The issue here is integrity.

[proud2BlibKansan]

109. And if you think that is going to happen

You aren't as wise as I thought you were.

[bigtree]

124. don't expect me to care. Get over it, or deal with the backlash on your own candidate

over his own 'misstatements'.

[Alexander]

134. So lying is okay if Hillary does it. Gotcha.

[babylonsister]

138. Appears that way, doesn't it. No double standard there. nt

[MadBadger]

14. I'm confused, did she admit to lying yet? If not, than it isnt enough.

[ecstatic]

15. I understand your point, but trust is very important to me

It's hard for me to just drop it. If Clinton could have gotten away with her lies, she would have. It shows a complete lack of respect for the American people.

[JackORoses]

30. There is no more important issue than a Candidate's Integrity. None.

It all starts there.

[jenmito]

46. Did she admit it? I didn't see HER admit it. n/t

[Perky]

62. Hell no. It is weasel words and she need to anser to the press directly.

[PoliticalAmazon]

80. Meanwhile, they had the GALL to give Richardson a ration of shit over his endorsement of Obama

Who in their right mind would endorse Hillary at this point? Typical for the Entitled Hillary, however, she blames Richardson for not endorsing her when the simple fact is that it was her own actions that turned Richardson to support Obama.

[TwilightGardener]

104. I think she needs to give a "speech of a lifetime" on honesty, the way

Obama had to do it on race.

[ZinZen]

166. Like Bush, she has a hard time

admitting she is wrong. You know, like her vote for the Iraq war.

[City Lights]

89. I'll think about dropping it after she faces the press over her "misspeak."

She needs to explain her "misspeak" directly to the American people. Send out her "Dana Perino" to gloss over the whole thing doesn't cut it for me.

[rucky]

149. Exactly. Put it in the file and move on.

[GMFORD]

188. Just want to clarify what she 'admitted' to.

There are three parts to Whoppergate:

Part One: She didn't broker any kind of peace agreement there although that is what she implied.

Part Two: The notion that some places are two small, too poor or too dangerous for the president to go so they send the First Lady and the president's young daughter and a comedian and a folksinger instead is ludicrous on its face.

Part Three: She claimed to remember clearly running under sniper fire to the car with no greeting ceremony, until a video surfaces showing some officials greeting her and a young girl reading them a poem right on the tarmac.

And now she claims she misspoke, implying it was a poor choice of words or a grammatical error. Nope, it's a whopper. And it's part of a pattern if you include her statements about Northern Ireland. She's trying to run as Rambo-in-Chief using made up stories about dodging bullets and brokering peace.

This is not a case where one of her supporters said something unfortunate or one of her friends or a member of her campaign staff. She laid this one on us herself and repeated it more than once. Should we move on from that or should we take this as a sign of her character?

[odelisk8]

215. gotta love that

someone ELSE says something and Obama is a "racist"...HILLARY LIES BALD FACED and it's "not an issue" anymore because she ADMITS to lying...ha!

[Barrymores Ghost]

220. Sorry, you're wrong. This is just further evidence of a pattern of behavior...

...which we have become all to accustomed to expecting from the name of Clinton...but which has no place in what we should expect from a trustworthy and respectable presidential candidate -- certainly not in a Democrat.

It's time for her to step aside, before she completely sandbags what could still amount to a respectable Senatorial career. Her mad insistence to cling to whatever 5-6% vestige she has left of getting the nomination, at the expense of the party and the country, is the epitome of the Audacity of Hopelessness.

[rocktivity]

8. And it took only ONE WEEK for her to figure out

that what she said WASN'T TRUE! Cue the Vonage theme!

:woohoo:
rocknation

[City Lights]

12. Either she's a liar, or she's delusional. Take your pick, Team Clinton.

Neither bodes well for you.

[Johnny__Motown]

19. Can't she be a delusional liar?

[City Lights]

39. Even better!

:rofl:

[Johnny__Motown]

47. It seemed to be the obvious choice

[Cha]

151. hilary is a deslusional liar and

a few other things that make her unqualified to be cic.

[MadAndy]

75. The real story is that as they were landing under sniper fire, Hellary grabbed the 50 cal machine

gun and wiped out the sniper nests. Thats why the landing ceremony was possible. She's just too modest to say that.

[rocktivity]

155. A 50-cal machine gun? You must think she's some kind of wimp!

Actually, she leaped from the plane without a parachute, charged the sniper nests and took 'em out in hand-to-hand combat with a spork!

:headbang:
rocknation

[L0oniX]

224. LMAO

[gorekerrydreamticket]

232. Here's the picture

[Grinchie]

205. It was a Bad Xanax Day

Pharma probably supplied it to her free of charge while Bill was didling his pets.

Honestly, Hillary speaks in segmented Corporate speak and rarely finishes a complete thought. She reminds me of Fry in Futurama, only he has a heart.

[JimGinPA]

13. Hmmmmm...

K&R

[VolcanoJen]

16. "may have" misspoke?

How about, did misspeak. How about, did, in fact, embellish.

A "potential" combat zone. That's like saying, if the Cincinnati Reds are leading the Pittsburgh Pirates 4-0 in the bottom of the ninth with the Pirates loading the bases and two men out, the batter at the plate represents the "potential" tying run.

Or something like that. Opening Day is only one week away. :-)

[Binka]

31. Thank God! I Need Me Some BaseBall!

Hi Jen:hi: Love the avatar!

[northernsoul]

214. baseball-lovin' K&R!

Nice analogy, VolcanoJen.

Play ball!

:evilgrin:

[Tatiana]

18. Well at least they (semi) owned up to the made-up story.

A month ago, the Clinton campaign would never have done so.

[Johnny__Motown]

21. They can't do it, I am sure they tried. The video evidence against her is indisputable

[TwilightGardener]

22. No--they didn't. Hillary invented something that never happened, to impress people.

This is a disturbing pattern of behavior, like the Northern Ireland peace process sham.

[Tatiana]

38. I agree. But after trotting out surrogates to pester the WaPo, this admission

is pretty damning and uncharacteristic of her. It seems as if her campaign did an about-face. Why?

[TwilightGardener]

44. Because this is a very damaging issue, if the press starts to roll tape nonstop.

[Johnny__Motown]

51. MSNBC played the video, and Andrea Mitchell spoke on the subject, she was there

[City Lights]

113. And Andrea only feels safe to talk about Clinton's lie now that the video

has surfaced? Is that right? Andrea could have called Clinton out earlier but has remained silent? :wtf:

[Johnny__Motown]

120. I'm not sure it is the reporters place to change the story that way, she is simply verifying

[Ms. Toad]

196. Or more disturbing,

Like inventing WMD to justify starting a war in Iraq.

[Yael]

20. So she either deliberately lied or she can't keep her facts straight

and will defend to the death her errors. Sounds too much like the current administration. On both counts.

[hisownpetard]

23. HAHAHAA! Wolfson is a "Daydream Believer" (and just as out of synch with reality as this

video, apparently!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRr-sNlddRo

[Hepburn]

24. She LIED....

...mis-spoke would be recalling the wrong date...or some simple laspe on EXACT facts. A story that does not remember reality in the least is a LIE.

Sheesh...mis-spoke??? What bullshit!

[debatepro]

25. If obama made this claim... he would

be crucified... Obama campaign won't aggressively attack her on this point... republicans will... that means she isn't vetted. It's a lie...

Especially the sentence before where she says... if some place wasn't safe they would send the first lady. Right out of a bad Schwarzenegger movie...

[Jane Austin]

43. I read somewhere this weekend that even that part isn't true.

That Pres. Clinton had been there a couple of months before - in January.

[TwilightGardener]

48. That "First Lady" line was absolutely silly. As if she was ever in danger--

the Secret Service and the military would never have allowed it. They plan these trips down to the minute detail, and secure huge perimeters. This whole story is ridiculous.

[bigtree]

107. He HAS made statements that he's had to take back in this campaign

and, not surrounding an historic visit to a war zone, like Clinton. His misspeaking has come out of his responses to Rezko questions, just now coming clean about the associations as the information dribbles out of the trial and investigation.

[TwilightGardener]

108. You know your girl's in serious trouble here, right? It's a You-Tube disaster, and

the GOP will not be able to pound this enough if she's the nominee. Obama probably won't go near it.

[NDambi]

111. She's caught. Told ya last week she was a liar....

[high density]

26. Yeah I'm always misspeaking about trips I made

to accidentally include sniper fire that wasn't there. I think Prescott Pharmaceuticals has something for that.

[thoughtcrime1984]

27. If the Wright thing can float for weeks, this ought to live a lot longer than it will. nt

[ecstatic]

37. MSNBC talked about it for a minute or so

Whose the teflon candidate now?

[thoughtcrime1984]

42. The most corporate-friendly one always is. McCain ultimately will be. nt

[TwilightGardener]

52. It's in their agenda to bring down Obama, and prop up Hillary. They want

a convention fight to cover, with riots, etc.

[DearAbby]

29. Well Lieberman

wasn't there to whisper in her ear the true facts. Let's give Clinton the benefit of the doubt :yoiks:

[BeyondGeography]

34. They had to cave...now, how 'bout those tax returns?

[Grinchie]

207. Ooooh Tax Returns! I can't wait!

Please Hilary, Don't drop out of the race until I see your Tax Returns for the last 8 years!

[SoFlaJet]

35. In other words

she lied

[XemaSab]

36. .

LIES! :banghead:
LIES! :banghead:
LIES! :banghead:
LIES! :banghead:
LIES! :banghead:
LIES! :banghead:
LIES! :banghead:
LIES! :banghead:
LIES! :banghead:

[KaptBunnyPants]

40. It's OK. She doesn't go to a black church, so the media doesn't have time for it anyway.

[Mz Pip]

41. Seems kind of hard to

misspeak about sniper fire.

I've driven through some rough neighborhoods at night and maybe could have, potentially, and not beyond the wildest of possiblities been shot at. That's a pretty long stretch to say I actually was. :eyes:

[jenmito]

45. Many articles need to be written about this. It needs to be talked about nonstop on cable news.

They need to play video of her lying over and over. But they won't.

[habitual]

49. NO MORE MISSPEAKING!

I'm tired of it with the REPUBS.... I don't want anymore!!!!

more of the same: get caught -- woops made a mistake.

[zulchzulu]

50. Let's try a new word: She "detruthified"

She does that a LOT.

OK. How about a "detruthificational incident". OK, not incident. How about a "detruthificational moment".

Ah...that's better.

:crazy:

[PoliticalAmazon]

86. "Detruthified": Colbert's next "WORD" (n/t)

[rox63]

53. Since Sinbad was on the same plane with her

That should at least qualify him for a cabinet post in a Clinton adminstration. :rofl: :rofl:

[Johnny__Motown]

54. Secretary of the Navy? (Sinbad.. get it?)

[Politicalboi]

180. With Salty the Parrot by his side

They are a fearful crew. I remember that old cartoon. My truck got shot one New Years Eve (true story) but I wasn't in it. It was parked outside our apartment.

[theboss]

61. Secretary of Puffy Pants

The man has style.

[chyjo]

68. I think the media should really be covering

Why Hillary chose Sinbad over Popeye?

[futureliveshere]

55. Confession time..SHAME ON YOU HILLARY!! K&Rn/t

:kick:

[tabasco]

56. She really is a republican.

She even speaks the language.

[PoliticalAmazon]

82. It goes beyond "Republican"; she really is Bush Jr in drag

She endorsed the Bush/neocon policies by voting for them, even when we plead with her not to. She's using the worst of the Bush Jr campaign tactics. Now she's flat-out lying about her experience.

[quiet.american]

58. Haven't we had enough of the ole "misspoke" stuff from Bushco? I know I have. nt

[theboss]

59. Honey... I may have misspoke when I said was in church on Saturday night

I was actually in a strip club down the street.

But the fact remains that I was worshipping something.

[Blue Diadem]

60. May have?

If they're going to sugar coat a lie they could at least say she did misspeak.

[wileedog]

69. Yeah, I loved "may have"

Because, you know, there still may have been a sniper there and we just didn't see him...

[Catherina]

63. Your moniker is perfect for this thread!

:rofl:

Thanks! K&R

[BumRushDaShow]

64. K&R

:kick:

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

65. These people have no shame. Thankfully bright people like most of those here don't fall 4 HRC's BS.

[futureliveshere]

66. EMAIL THIS STORY

Please email this link from the OP to all your friends and MSM sites. I have just emailed Huffington Post and CNN AC360. Does anyone have the email IDs of other sites?

[People4Change]

228. Good luck trying to post anything at Huffington's site

The censor nazis are going to town there, chopping up people's posts or not posting them at all. Used to be a good site. Now?

[MadAndy]

67. The only time the clintons mis-speak is when they accidentially tell the truth.

[tabasco]

72. LOL!

Funny but frighteningly close to the truth.

[marshall]

70. Clinton Campaign: Hillary didn't lie, she's just stupid!

Does she not remember what happened while she was there? Her flunky makes it sound like she used contemporaneous news accounts to concoct the details of her own visit. Surely the woman kept some sort of diary, or she had a flunky to do it, which included some account like "I got off the plane into the beaming sunshine to a crowd of cheering locals. A small girl in a quaint costume gave me a hug and some flowers. It was so special!"
Instead she reads accounts a week or two ago about gunfire somewhere in the country sometime around the time of her visit, and for some reason she starts to believe it happened to her?

[MadAndy]

76. Idiot? But she's the smartest woman in the world? That's it, she's too smart to remember the truth.

[PoliticalAmazon]

84. See? She IS Bush Jr. That's been his excuse for his lies since Day #1: Acting like a doofus

Besides, she didn't need a diary to remember if she was under sniper fire! Also, being a politician, if she had come under sniper fire the entire MSM world would have known about it within 3 minutes.

[Ichingcarpenter]

74. Pecos Bill validates her story my friends.

He was riding a tornado that day and saw the whole thing,

[Catherina]

81. How come I don't see a single "ignored" in this thread?

[ecstatic]

94. LOL... Give them time.... they have to spin this somehow

I mean, haven't we all misspoken at one time or another about sniper fire? After all, it was 12 years ago? :sarcasm:

[Catherina]

153. 3 hours later and still none

Maybe it's the boycott :rofl:

The tactic du jour seems to be let's move on. Hurry along now, nothing to see here folks.

[suston96]

83. Don't know about "misspoke".....

But the general in the Wash Post story was misquoted and stated that he later found out about the possibility of a truck bomb and "took appropriate security measures".

It was a fucking combat zone! Snipers and truck bombs were to be expected, so you run for cover when on an open and visible tarmac which could be an easy target area for snipers and truck bombs.

[progressive_realist]

169. The war ended three months before her trip

And Bill Clinton had flown into the same airport two months earlier than her. It was not a combat zone. Nice try, though. And I'm sure you've seen by now the pictures of the nice welcoming ceremony, complete with an eight-year old girl.

Hillary made up the story, pure and simple.

[cooolandrew]

85. It's quite a big mis-speak to wrongly word several sentences.

[futureliveshere]

87. What about the general who supported her story?

Does anyone know the name of the general (i think) who also supported her story recently. Someone should ask him what he was smoking?

[Politicalboi]

182. He must have ran ahead

Of Hillary with his head down and we didn't see him because of all the sniper fire.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

88. After what they did to Al Gore for his TRUTHFUL statement aoout the Internet.

:banghead:

[apocalypsehow]

90. It is soooo heart-warming to see all the HRC boosters rush to this thread to apologize for defending

their candidate from the lie she told by pretending it was the truth, now that Clinton herself has admitted she "misspoke"....oh, wait.

[futureliveshere]

Yes, the silence is deafening

[TwilightGardener]

97. See? They're smart--they don't kick threads that are damaging

to their candidate. Only we Obama supporters are dumb enough to do that!

[bigtree]

125. Kick for the end of the nonsense. (The end of my giving a shit)

[bigtree]

115. I'm not apologizing for shit. I think the Obama folks just wanted to dismiss the historic trip

by harping on the inconsistencies in her recollection of the danger. Now they've admitted she misspoke. Move on, lest your own candidate gets himself hung up on his own 'misstatements' over affairs which have nothing to do with an historic trip to a war zone, as the First Lady experienced.

[apocalypsehow]

129. Of course you aren't: HRC boosters believe lies & falsehoods are good things if they help Hill. It's

called "situational ethics," and the Clinton campaign and their frothing-at-the-mouth sycophants are expert practitioners of it.

[ProSense]

130. Good one! n/t

[apocalypsehow]

133. "historic trip to a war zone" - Good Lord, I've seen it all now. Absurd.

:eyes:

[TwilightGardener]

137. Apparently, her Bosnia trip is being UNDERPLAYED as an act of courage, to this guy.

[Ms. Toad]

199. It has nothing to do with dismissing the trip

It has everything to do with being tremendously disturbed by a democratic candidate who would make up violence in order to win our votes. That is far too similar of a president who made up WMDs to win war authorization votes.

Sadam Hussein was an evil man, but Bush believed that was not enough to win votes authorizing the invasion of Iraq so he made up WMD.
The trip to Bosnia is valid foreign policy experience, but Hillary apparently believed that was not enough to win votes for her candidacy, so she made up sniper fire and a mad dash for cover.

I want no part of a president who lies in order to win votes - whether for his or her candidacy or to authorize invading a foreign country.

(That said, there are worse evils, and if Hillary wins the Democratic nomination I will vote for her over McCain.)

[Perky]

92. Beginning to break in wider circulation... CNN and Fox Running with it.

http://news.google.com/news?q=clinton+tuzla&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7SUNA&um=1&hl=en&resnum=1&ct=title&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=d&as_mind=23&as_minm=3&as_maxd=24&as_maxm=3

Beginning to break in wider circulation... CNN and Fox Running with it.

[Ichingcarpenter]

101. Are you watching TVnews or just the Web sites?

I don't think the TV news is gonna run with this for more
than 1/4000 as they did with Obama's preacher.
Just call me cynical.

[ecstatic]

112. Agreed. On MSNBC... barely a peep on sniper-gate,

but playing clips of an Obama interview about Wright. And every now and then, a shocked commentary on how Obama was able to overcome their swiftboating last week. :mad:

[Perky]

143. Wait til Countdown

"The Worst Person in the World"

[Ino]

93. The worst part is...

this fabrication calls into question everything she's ever said, and everything she will say. If she would lie so easily & so often over such a little thing, what wouldn't she lie about?

[ecstatic]

96. Exactly! Especially stuff that isn't subject to fact check or Youtube

I hate to have to feel this way about someone. I find myself unable to believe a word she says now! :crazy:

[SoxFan]

98. Bosnia or Michigan?

the area in which she was landing was “a potential combat zone and was hazardous.”

I'm guessing she's going to use this same line when discussing why she campaigned in Detroit...

[bigtree]

102. She misspoke. It's clear that she did. Move on.

What's the sense in harping on it. She made an extraordinary trip, at the time, for a First Lady, described by news accounts at the time, as the most dangerous visit by a First Lady since Eleanor Roosevelt.

[totodeinhere]

110. You are telling me that someone can misspeak about sniper fire?

If she were really fired on by snipers she would never forget that for the rest of her life. And if she was not fired on she would very well know that too. So how is it that she could possibly misspeak about something like this? The answer is that she can't.

[bigtree]

117. That's right. Get over it.

[totodeinhere]

136. I have no plans to get over it.

I don't want to see a liar elected to the presidency.

[Jed Dilligan]

190. Tell that to an American who's been under sniper fire for his or her

country, with a straight face, in the real world.

I double fucking dare you.

[Major Hogwash]

209. "I clearly remember that trip very well" - Hillary. So, evidently, she's just a liar!

Who clearly got caught telling lies about it!

Who clearly isn't qualified to be the Commander in Chief!

Who clearly isn't qualified to the President of the United States!

[Barrymores Ghost]

230. Ever had live rounds fired directly over your head?

I have. And I remember it vividly.

Ever had to duck and run for cover, wondering if the crack of a AK-47 would be the last sound you ever heard? Now, this I have not experienced, but I imagine that it's not a memory you can conjure up...or "forget" that you never really had.

Except, somehow, Hillary has managed.

Bottom line: she's a bald-faced liar who will do or say anything to get elected -- even if she has to leave nothing but a charred landscape behind her. And it doesn't seem to bother you one bit, knowing this about her.

Wow. Just....wow.

[Dukkha]

236. you support a liar. get over it.

i guess it takes one to know one.

[TwilightGardener]

114. Misspeaking is saying it happened on Thursday, when it happened

on Friday. Or saying she landed at one city, when she clearly meant another. In the St. Patrick's speech she gave, she portrayed it as if she remembered it like it was yesterday: The plane's evasive maneuver, the landing under sniper fire, no greeting ceremony, running for the cars straight out of the plane, for cover. Please, that is called "making shit up". Not "misspeaking".

[bigtree]

119. Like Obama's dribbling revelations on Rezko.

Playing with fire harping on 'misstatements' IMO.

[TwilightGardener]

126. Well, he exposed himself fully to his hometown press, so much so that

they praised his candor and openness--they said it set a new standard for politicians, in fact. It's all relative--I don't mind Rezko so much, because the Clintons are FAMOUS for their dealings with crooked fundraisers and their hare-brained schemes and Lincoln bedroom stuff and pardons, etc. Rezko is Obama's foray into stupidity, but it's not a pattern of corruption.

[Grinchie]

208. Please present the Rezko case for those that don't know the details n/t

[Blue Diadem]

140. It's true that it was dangerous and extraordinary, but why did she need

to embellish an already extraordinary event?

[BringBigDogBack]

116. 'misspoke'

lol.

Ya tink?

[Scurrilous]

123. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Orsino]

128. She exaggerated out of ignorance.

One cheerful welcoming ceremony probably looks like another to a First Lady, after a while. If she'd heard on the plane, however, that there had been sniper fire in the area she was to visit, that's what she would remember after all these years. She misspoke, all right, but any pampered celebrity might have done the same.

[TwilightGardener]

135. She said there was no welcoming ceremony. Did she "hear" that?

She said she ran for cover. Did she "hear" that, or live through it? Video sez, she invented her experience.

[NorthernSpy]

142. she said that there was NO greeting, and they all ran under fire...

:rofl:


Wanna try again?

[Orsino]

146. Tomayto, tomahto.

I suspect that she's conflating actual experiences with invented, and forgetting others.

Celebrities live lives unlike our own, and we should always take with the spoiled rich say with a ton of salt. I would guess that at some point in her time as First Lady, she was hustled away from some spot where gunfire had at least been reported. As I said, she isn't likely to remember a friendly little welcome out of hundred of others.

Did I sound too forgiving? I thought I was sneering at how the life of a rock-star politician is so unlike our own.

[Danieljay]

171. roflmao. umm. ya. right. n/t

[Az_lefty]

132. she floated a lie, got called on it and now it's simply "mis-speak"...

Hillary's as much a liar as little george.

[texas_indy]

139. It is now being talked about by Obama people, and Hillary people attacking his chidhood exp. oversea

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/03/obama_camp_again_assails_clint.html

[LowerManhattanite]

141. So, the candidate lied...

...and now that that's been proven we now know that one of her biggest shills here ALSO LIED with a so-called “de-bunking” a couple of days ago, too.

How dishonestly apt.

[Rubiconski2009]

144. Recurring pattern: Clinton lies.

When caught, lies about lying. Then lies about lying about lying. She hopes we'll get a headache from keeping track and just give up.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

150. can the world do business with someone who lies

well they have before with Bush so I expect it's up to the American people to say enough is enough of stonewalling records, documents, and lying.

[sniffa]

152. Bush misspoke about WMDs

[Obamanaut]

159. and HRC misvoted. nt

[guyanakoolaid]

189. "Misvoted"

Best reply of the thread right there.

[stop the bleeding]

156. Thanks for insulting people's intelligence - fucking liar

:beer:

[catgirl]

157. She must have dreamt it! LOL.

This is why she suddenly doesn't want to engage in debates anymore.

[Hugabear]

158. The scary part is, maybe she actually believes this herself

Who knows. Maybe she had a very vivid dream about the trip. Maybe she's just told this version so many times, that she now believes it as the truth.

[krkaufman]

160. "she was on the front lines" -- Really? I'm not even sure Hillary had said this.

So now Hillary was on the "front lines"? Puh-leeze.

Hillary was puffing herself up, and was caught in a lie -- probably thinking that she still had the media cowed, and that they wouldn't question her.

[Catherina]

178. Puffing lol

[Rosa Luxemburg]

161. oh but the snipers were in the hills

um, there weren't many nearby hills...

[Catherina]

179. Hovering above in helicopters I think

:rofl:

[DeadElephant_ORG]

162. kick!!!

[roseBudd]

163. Maybe she learned it from Bill?

[FatDave]

167. Remember in the build-up to Iraq...

...when the dialogue changed from "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction" to "Saddam has the potential for weapons of mass destruction"?

[Mooney]

168. LAME!

"Misspeaking" is when you're recalling a family vacation to Branson, MO and you say that you stayed at the Days Inn when you actually stayed at the Motel 6.

Saying you got shot at when you didn't is not misspeaking. It's that thing that rhymes with "shmying."

[Diane R]

170. She didn't say she 'misspoke' until there was a video showing that she lied.

[nankerphelge]

172. I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Apparently on the trip she did have to be present at a show where Sinbad and Sheryl Crow performed, which is the metaphorical equivalent of undergoing sniper fire.

[DerekJ]

173. k

[Major Hogwash]

175. In other words - she lied. Big surprise, not. She has been lying for almost her entire adult life.

Get her off of the stage - she's toast.
It's over.

[Zambero]

181. By any chance did this near-death incident occur at 3 AM?

I feel much safer now!

[sonias]

183. When you do it, you call it "misspeaking"

If your opponent does it, you call it lying. These are the political tricks of campaigning.

Depends on what the definition of "misspeaking" is.


Sonia

[lligrd]

184. About Time This Hit The News

Why are they so far behind DU all the time?

[loveangelc]

185. JUST SAW THE VIDEO!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Wow.

[happygoluckytoyou]

186. OOPSIE.... I MISSPOKE.... DID I SAY "SNIPER FIRE", I MEANT "SUPPER ON FIRE"

[evolvingsteve]

191. Wow, I didn't realize this until now....

....what if this is a set-up? what if, she's set this blow to her integrity up knowing Obama supporters would blog like crazy over this and use this against her. but in reality, this sets the bar up for Obama to not ever make this mistake or be held liable. What Clinton supporters forget, is that Obama actually HAS integrity, and lots of it so he won't make this same mistake.
Another back door plan foiled......


or maybe she just lied. it could be that simple. no one should be able to milk the word 'mispoke' for all it's got with a full sentences!,......
unless your Hillary.

lol




:patriot:

[frog92969]

192. K&R

:spank:

[caseycoon]

193. It was on all the evening news shows

We can't get cable or use a dish out here in the woods, but it was on CBS & NBC. They showed both clips.. Clinton speaking at the university & the clip out on the tarmac.
This is definitely getting lots of media coverage! They even mentioned the 4 Pinnochios.
:hi:

[mwb970]

194. What is with all this "misspeaking"?

Every time a politician lies, it turns out they didn't lie, they "misspoke". What in hell is this word supposed to mean anyway? They meant to say something different on another subject and were as amazed as everyone else to hear a falsehood come out instead? Please.

[NeedleCast]

201. I dodged sniper fire in Afghanistan

Can I be president?

[AllexxisF1]

202. Ok..that is it...she is done.

McCain and the Repugs will NEVER...EVER...LET THIS GO. This would be her I voted against it before I voted for it moment for them. She needs to bow out and bow out now.

[NM Independent]

206. Liar, Liar, Pantsuits on Fire!!!

Time to take your ball and go home now, Hillary. There is no way you can get elected now. Your honesty ratings were arleady in the pit.

Gallup Honesty ratings as 3-14/16

McCain 67%
Obama 63%
Clinton 44%

Yeah, and that at the peak of Wright, before the speach, and before this big whopper.


IT...IS...OVER.

[Medusa]

210. "I certainly remember that trip"

so says the video. So now she has misremembered all of that as the press says her story continues to "evolve".

[nealmhughes]

211. It would all depend upon one's definition of "sniper," "welcoming cermony," "dodging" and "running"

are evidently, as well as "clearly recalling."

Not to doubt the veracity of my betters, such as Mrs. Clinton, but I rather suspect that one would actually very clearly recall the particulars of a plane doing evasive maneuvers, sniper fire, and running to an armored vehicle after landing with your small daughter at your side, no less.

IWR, Kyl-Lieberman, Feinstein-Leahy, bankruptcy bill, frequent dining with The Rupert, a "universal healthcare" bill that is mandated insurance by private companies, etc. Good Lord! Why not just dig up Nelson Rockefeller and run him on the Democratic ticket?

With Democrats like Mrs. Clinton, one wonders if this is still the party of the people as Jackson and Jefferson envisioned?

[EnviroBat]

212. Do we really want another liar running the show?

she should drop out and take her fucking tall tales with her...

[DemVet]

213. She lied? Yeah, maybe just like Barack Obama lied about....

....never hearing anything offensive in Wright's "sermons" and then 'fessing up and then admitting he did hear offensive language in his "speech" when it was apparent to him he couldn't wiggle his way out of his lie.

[odelisk8]

216. so that would be

the second grade defense then? the "everybody does it" defense? how quaint...

[bjnumb9]

229. he said he never heard anything as offensive as

the golden nugget statements that the press kept replaying over and over... the God Damn America comment, etc. there is a huge difference between saying he'd never heard anything AS offensive as the comments versus saying he'd never heard ANYTHING offensive stated.

welcome to the land of reality, where every word counts. maybe you should be hired onto the Clinton campaign. on second thought, i think they're already past their quota on lying and distortion of facts.

[Norrin Radd]

218. Next, she'll say that she meant to say, "siping tires."

[mrJJ]

219. All in the family

misspoke
1 : to speak (as a word) incorrectly
2 : to express (oneself) imperfectly or incorrectly <claims now that he misspoke himself>
intransitive verb

liar
1: a person who tells lies

"I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia, and as Togo said, there was a saying around the White House that if a place was too small, too poor, or too dangerous, the president couldn't go, so send the First Lady. That’s where we went. I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."


"I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again," he said with a clenched jaw and stern expression that day. "I did not have sexual

relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time, never. These allegations are false."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/starr072998.htm

FBI to Test Dress

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/starr073198.htm

[L0oniX]

223. Shes experienced and ready on day one alright ...experienced and ready to lie on day one.

misspoke = politically correct term for lied ...pffft

[People4Change]

225. Clinton "misspoke" about her experience too!

The news media is treating this story, for the most part, as if Clinton with kid gloves on this, especially FOX.

Clinton did not misspeak, she did not forget a few of the facts, she did not embelish -- HILLARY CLINTON LIED about her trip to Bosnia in order to make her experience look more substantial, so voters in Pennsylvania and Indiana and North Carolina would vote for her.

If you compare Hillary Clinton's actual legislative experience to Obama's, he has more. Hillary has therefore attempted to turn her White House years, which basically were first lady ceremonial duties, into something more. What Hillary has left out of the equation is the Internet. We can now google her stories and find out when she LIES about her experiences.

So in effect, Hillary Clinton is trying to lie her way into the White House. Don't we already have a president like that now? Do we really want another????

[parkeradison]

227. Regarding "Clinton misspoke"

There are only two choices, she misspoke or she lied. Now, the Clintons would never lie, would they?

[Life Long Dem]

231. Does anyone think anyone would forget being under gunfire?

Did they all have silencers on the rifles as well? Even Candy Crowley couldn't understand why a candidate would say something like that (as she shrugs her head) referring to being caught in a lie.

This was calculated just as the planting of questions early on was calculated. No, we are seeing Hillary supporters getting sick of this crap as well. Sniper turns into terrorist which turns into the same old stuff. Where is the change?

[yardwork]

233. In othe words, she lied. The campaign admits it.

Hillary's campaign acknowledges that she was not under sniper fire.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

234. How the hell can you "misspeak" when you are

flipping READING a speech ?? During a spontaneous, off the cuff speech - Maybe. Not when reaading a prepared speech. No way

[Dukkha]

235. spin all you want, a lie is a lie

and this is another typical Clinton lie