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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:17 PM
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An Obama spot with Hillary's own Bosnian trip lies would bury her in Penn. Hell, if he doesn't run
Edited on Mon Mar-24-08 01:18 PM by zonkers
run such an ad and Hillary somehow, miraculously gets the nod, you can be certain McCain will do it later.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:19 PM
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1. Yeah
there is absolutely nothing McCain and the right wing noise machine can use against Obama. Right now they are all scratching their heads trying to figure out how to campaign against the perfect candidate.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:26 PM
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4. The GOP are going to attack
no matter who our candidate is, Clinton keeps handing them the GD ammunition. Why feed the attack machine? I can not imagine why she did this. Her movements as first lady were recorded, these facts are easy to find.

She handed to the GOP on a silver platter ammunition to torpedo her own chances. Is this who you really want as a nominee?

Not only that, Do you want a person in the white house who lies? One thing I can not stand is a liar. This story wasnt a mix-up of events, it was an outright fabrication of events. Is this the type of person you want leading us?

We have had enough lies and liars, take a look at who is in the white house now. Lies and Liars are the reason 4,000 Americans are dead in a country we should never have invaded. Lies and Liars...when is enough enough?
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:30 PM
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6. I agree with you about the lying angle
Lies begat lies which begat more lies. As Mark Twain said always tell the truth and you will never have to remember anything.

However, I seriously chuckle at many posts of Obama supports steeped in pure naivete. If you don't want anyone in the WH who isn't or won't be a liar then you are out of luck because such a person does not exist (in politics.)

I want my candidate leading us. That would be General Clark.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:33 PM
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7. Did not Obama
at least stretch the truth when referring to what he knew his preacher said before he admitted in his speech that he knew? Guess ya can't vote for him. And as you say, the right wing trash will did and dig and dig.

Expecting perfection is pressure we put too heavily on our candidates.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:35 PM
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8. No. He said that he had not been present for the particular sermons in question
which nobody has yet disproved. His answer on Friday did seem carefully worded, and I could tell from looking at it that he was not saying that he had never heard Wright say anything controversial. You could accuse him of parsing, but I don't think you can say that he lied.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:39 PM
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9. You're right
I think Obama was in Miami giving a 20 year long speech. Obama and Clinton and McCain are human beings with human faults. They will all fail at one level or another and disappoint and "parse." Obama supporters think that statement is 2/3rds true.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:51 PM
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12. As I recall his exact words were
He had not heard that particular sermon. He addressed the issue last Tuesday. It is up to each individual to make their own judgement. The issue had not changed my mind. I could see the character assassination by the GOP clearly.

I don't view Obama as perfect, no one is perfect. I do expect a leadership abilities, and Obama has shown this ability to my satisfaction. I also find it strange to vote for a person, based on what the GOP will do...they will attack no matter who we nominate.

Hillary flat our fabricated a story...not stretching, as you state...FABRICATED a story. Flat out lied. Is this the type of leader you want? Bush fabricated the reasons to invade a country...what other fabrications will you overlook in your vision of leadership?
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:00 PM
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13. As I've said since before day one
I will wholeheartedly and enthusiastically support the dem nominee and maybe a few bucks depending on gas prices. But the way you Obama supporters get your fucking panties in a collective wad when anything even approaching criticism of your God is in the air is both fucking hilarious and fucking pathetic. Your hate of Hillary is borderline psychotic. Obama is and will be a fucking liar and he will peform as a politician behind closed doors, just like every other fucking politician. Get over your cancerous hero worship. And you all wonder why you are referred to as a cult.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:19 PM
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18. Pot meet Kettle....
You post is filled with venom against another Democrat, what did he do to deserve such? Win against your candidate?

I had respect for HRC before the campaign started...her tactics following Super Tuesday ended that respect, when she purposely added fuel to the Muslim rumor with her "As far as I know" Statement. Then her "Celestial choirs" statement, personally insulting me, because of my support for Obama. Then her endorsement of John McCain.

I support Obama as passionately as you support Clinton, it is not a cult, to paint it as such is an insult, as you well know. To continue to insult instead of trying to have an adult conversation, leads no where.

I had removed all from my ignore list to try to converse as adults, we need to unite, because so much is riding on this election. Please don't force me to start that list again.

Lets talk as adults, this is not a game.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:01 PM
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16. they need to ask her about the snipers in the next debate
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:20 PM
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2. No. Obama should not run that ad.
Let the Republicans do it in the fall if she gets the nomination. Running negative ads could make Obama look desperate and backfire on him. I know he was too soft before Ohio and Texas and might have no choice but to stoop to her level now, but I really don't want to see that happen.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:24 PM
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3. I agree he should not run the ad - but here's an idea
Maybe local libraries would approve the posting by their computers of a list of political fact-checking sites (unbiased--no favors for any politician), plus the candidates' websites, etc., for the library patron who doesn't know where to surf for information.
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:27 PM
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5. I usually think just like you do -- best not to stoop. But at this point, I think Machiavellian
tactics trumps "the high road". This democratic race is going on too long. Obama is expending way too much energy and money. And frankly, there are many Americans who respect someone who goes for the jugular when the time is right. Right or not, they think it shows strength.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:51 PM
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11. and if he joins her on the low road?
it's too late. he's decided to run a high minded campaign talking about lofty subjects, hope and change and all that. he runs a negative ad and that is all over. then he's just another smooth talking politician.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 01:45 PM
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10. He does not need to run an ad,,,,all that is needed is a press release
Saying this is the latest instance of Hillary herself sidestepping responsibility for here actions. It began with her not reading the intelligence reports on Iraq and continued with her misguided bote for the IWR and continued again with the refusal to say it was a mistake,


Hacen't we hac enough of President's who lie about foreign affairs?
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chyjo Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:01 PM
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14. I would love to see an ad
with the footage, with Clinton's overthetop lies about ducking for cover and running for the cars. That would be great.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:01 PM
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15. nobody cares.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:02 PM
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17. Credibility matters to many of us, not Clinton supporters maybe but other people
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zonkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:22 PM
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19. They will when you "posterize" her 24/7 a la Dukakis aboard his tank. Sniper fire is a far cry from
a school girl reading a poem.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:27 PM
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20. Are you calling yourself a "nobody?" I care. eom
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