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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:12 PM
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Presidential Debate: So, Mrs Clinton where did you say the snipers were when you landed at Tuzla?
I wonder if they will ask her about her 'harrowing trip to Tuzla" at the next Presidential debate? So Hillary admitted she had mispoken. Are we led to believe this woman is capable of being Commander in Chief?

"Now that a video has surfaced and after questions were raised about her account, Hillary Clinton's campaign acknowledged today that she may have misspoken when she described a harrowing visit to Bosnia while first lady.

"I remember landing under sniper fire," she said last week as she sought to burnish her commander-in-chief credentials. "There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

But a CBS report on the 1996 visit - ......."

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/03/clinton_embelli.html
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:14 PM
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1. Embellishing details is what got us into this God awful mess
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:41 PM
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That is the nices way I have ever heard of calling someone a liar.
kudos to you.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:16 PM
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2. Look behind the second guy from the left.
I see a sniper in the trees! Run Hillary Run!!

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:28 PM
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3. LOL!
I'm interested to see what carefully crafted answer Hillary will have.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:34 PM
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5. I'm sure her campaign is formulating a lie for her to cover her lie.
Edited on Mon Mar-24-08 02:35 PM by wienerdoggie
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:54 PM
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9. she will probably 'lose her voice' so she can't debate
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:32 PM
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19. She wouldnt get any media jabs on Obama that way, she should...
say she is skipping it in protest because the voters of Michigan and Florida are being disenfranchised and its all Obamas fault. That would play better with the media and she could use it to avoid anymore debates if she wanted.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:34 PM
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20. Chelsea looks totally shell-shocked there.
I bet the poor girl still has nightmares. :cry:
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:46 PM
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26. I think Tuzlagate would be a snappier name than Snipergate.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:50 PM
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37. .
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:34 PM
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4. Where were the snipers? You cannot see snipers. That's why they are snipers.....
...and you cannot see truck bombs either, until the trucks are coming right at you.

She was in a fucking combat zone. Anything could happen. The General who was misquoted by the Washington Post story, later corrected by the Washington Post, stated that there was a report of a truck bomb and he took "appropriate security measures." You take "security measures" when there is a threat!

See, you run like hell for snipers and truck bombs - but you don't stop to ask which one it was!

What a bunch of bullshit!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:40 PM
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7. The First Lady and Chelsea would never be allowed to be in any danger--
never. The military advance teams, the Secret Service, would simply not allow that to happen. The plane would have been diverted if there had been reports of security problems at the airport, or they would not have been allowed off the plane, even if it did land, until the area was secured. She gets pretty much the same security as the President.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:57 PM
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11. exactly!
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:43 PM
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8. Little Sniper Kittens hovering above her in helicopters?
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:57 PM
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12. Aw!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:56 PM
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10. It is a lie that she was in a combat zone.
Why are you a liar?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:07 PM
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16. Little girls reading poems to First ladies in a combat zone
:rofl:

Only in Hillary Land!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:16 PM
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18. Perceived Honesty Gap for Clinton Versus Obama, McCain
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:37 PM
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22. 44% of respondents thought she was honest and trustworthy
Interesting.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:55 PM
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31. a gap
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:23 PM
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32. Oh my. And that was before TuzlaGate
Edited on Mon Mar-24-08 04:36 PM by Catherina
Her "honest and trustworthy" numbers aren't pretty. How low will they go? I hope she salvages whatever's left of her dignity and withdraws before she becomes a joke in history books.


I may have to update the pic in my signature line and move Obama over to avatar status. That poll is so telling.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:53 PM
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40. It wasn't a lie, actually
There in fact were Serbian snipers keeping the airport in their scopes pretty much 24 / 7.

The lie is that Mrs. Clinton had to duck and cover and haul ass off the tarmac while bullets flew overhead.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 06:21 PM
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42. It certainly didn't look like that
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:39 PM
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43. I'm sorry, I was thinking Sarejevo
For some reason, by brain got its Bosnian cities mixed up. I know the Sarejevo airport was under constant sniper watch - they even had to dig a tunnel under it leading into the city to get people to safety - But Tuzla, I have no idea.

Sorry for the mix-up
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:46 PM
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27. Translation: "Lying is okay if Hillary does it".
Gotcha.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:48 PM
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28. Yeah, and there she is, running like hell.
Well, anyway, "like hell" is how I'd describe how she's running now.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:29 PM
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34. Hillary said they had to run to get to waiting vehicles, didn't have ceremony but there are pix...
of ceremony, little girl handing flowers to HRC and Chelsea.

Do you really believe that reporters would have cut OUT the part where she was fired on by snipers? Give me a break. It would have been all over the news.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:34 PM
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35. Not supposed to see the Snipers...
silly rabbit....Hillary risked her life to grab that child, caring nothing of her own safety. She shoved Chelsea aside, shielding her with her own body, sniper fire raining round after round, straffing the entire area...look at the horror and fear on the faces of those in that photo, especially the young man second from the left!
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:00 PM
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38. bullshit, yes. you should read the actual post and look at the comments
given by those there. My nephew was there and actually had to face snipers every day. He would sit and watch the horizon and when the bombs hit sometimes you could see blood spray from some civilian getting aced.
He had to run from snipers every time he went to the latrine and he
patroled in a circular route that took him through all the territories. To acquaint her experience to his is pure bullshit. She should be ashamed linking herself to someone else's hell. It reminds me of Reagan going on about his WWII flying missions over Europe that in reality were on the backlot of Paramount Pictures. Shame on her.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:55 PM
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41. It is a wonder she wasn't in a 'flying suit'
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chyjo Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 02:35 PM
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6. the little girl had a high powered rifle
under the flowers. The cameras turn away but a split second later secret service agents tackle that girl as she is setting up her gun. /sarcasm off
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:00 PM
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13. I'm not at liberty to discuss national security matters publicly
Now we can talk about what a dried up comedian said or we can talk about the issues the American people want to talk about. Shame on you!!!

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:02 PM
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14. how can someone misspeak on something like this
She wants to Commader in Chief - his makes her a laughingstock
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:41 PM
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24. But Senator Clinton, I understtod that you did not have a security clearance while First Lady.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:50 PM
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29. you mean
Hillary and Chelsea went there without Bill's permission?
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:02 PM
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15. Misspoken? LOL! Yeah, I guess there *might* be an alternative
interpretation of "ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles". But, I'm havin' trouble coming up with it.

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:09 PM
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17. It's amazing the Media aren't picking this up big time
it is just such a blunder!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:36 PM
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21. pfft. on your historic trip to the Bosnian war zone as First Lady . . .
get over it. No one cares, except Obama partisans.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:40 PM
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23. Misspoke is once, repeated assertions and fact checks online is lying. People do care when a
Edited on Mon Mar-24-08 03:40 PM by ProSense
candidate for president lies.

No one wants this to become Bushworld permanently!



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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:54 PM
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30. and such blatant lies! There for the world to see!
would you buy a used car from this woman?
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:44 PM
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25. Not going anywhere for a while?
Grab a snipers.


;-)
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:24 PM
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33. BWA-HA-HA! That would be reason enough for her to be negotiating her exit from the race
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:35 PM
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36. How could the media do this to such a brave woman?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5234149&mesg_id=5234760

Here's a great comment from the Huffingtonpost website from samaraijack:

I especially like the part when the bullets were richoteing off the tarmac, and the secret service had to grab Mrs. Clinton to throw her into the armored vehicle.

But, seeing a small child, alone on the runway, Hillary pushed the agent aside yelling "I've got to get the baby!!" She vaulted three parked Humvees, sliding on the asphalt just in time. As mortar and tank rounds smashed into the ground arond them, Hillary shielded the helpless child in her arms.

She rolled 50 yards to a nearby hangar. Then, with all her might, she stood up, sidekicked the locked hangar door off its hinges. As a small backpack nuclear device was detonated from a nearby ravine, Hillary fabricated a makeshift shelter from airplane wing panels she observed leaning against a hangar wall.

After the shock waves and heat dissipated, Hillary, still cradling the now crying infant, walked through the radioactive fallout to a nearby RedCross helicopter. Afterwards, Hillary commented "It was the least I could do as a First Lady of the United States of America".

"Now, don't we have some wounded soldiers to visit?" She refused first aid, and, still glowing from radiation, strode into a waiting bulletproof limo.


As Hillary put it "Now, that is what happened."

And now you know the rest of the story :rofl:


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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:09 PM
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39. Mrs Clinton: the snipers were in the hills.....
Mrs Clinton: the snipers were in the hills.....
Pennyslvania Presidential Debate interviewer: But Mrs Clinton there are no hills in Tuzla
Mrs CLinton: oh!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2008/03/video_the_hillary_in_bosnia_mo.html
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