CBS News led off with the story of Hillary's fabrication

[proud2BlibKansan]

It isn't going to die. She needs to fess up.

[DearAbby]

1. Gaining legs and rightfully so...

If you cant trust your candidate to tell the truth, why in the world should we vote for them?

[MadBadger]

6. The only time I've ever wished more people watched CBS news.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

101. Hillary was greeted with Flowers in Bosnia

Holy Bosnia, Batman! Will Hillary’s Downfall Be …
That She WAS Greeted with Flowers?

By Don Davis The Satirical Political Report



Greeting ceremony, Tuzla military airport, Bosnia, March 25, 1996.

“SOME DAY, LITTLE GIRL, I’LL BE ABLE TO TELL EVERYONE IN THE UNITED
STATES THAT I WAS GREETED AS A FABRICATOR.”

————————————————————————————-

[DevonRex]

41. Abby I love that

sig line & picture you have. Just thought I'd tell you it makes me smile every time I see it.
jennifer

[NightWatcher]

2. shown on NBC too. Chelsea and Sheryl Crow didnt look too scared of sniper fire

[Faygo Kid]

3. ABC led off with 4,000 dead U.S. soldiers in Iraq

I'm an Obama supporter and no Hillary fan, but I really think ABC got its first story right tonight, and CBS did not.

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. I would agree

[ericgtr]

7. Agreed n/t

[george_maniakes]

14. Agreed. n/t

[sandnsea]

16. Agree n/t

[ClassWarrior]

17. Totally agreed.

:patriot:

NGU.

[redqueen]

20. Agreed. (nt)

[Kber]

47. Oh OK

got me there.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

56. but they can do 2 stories

you are right that ABC should have done the 4000 soldiers dead but also the Hillary fiasco

[Faygo Kid]

62. They can only lead with one

I have no trouble in anyone covering the Hillary story, but the lead story was rightly the continuing disaster in Iraq, and a tragic milestone reached.

[Bensthename]

120. They better lead with it tomorrow. She cant get away with lying about getting shot at.

[txaslftist]

122. you are correct, sir.

[jazzjunkysue]

5. Ouchie! That's not exactly what McCain went through....

GOP's gonna love that, if she can really steal it from Obama.

[4themind]

8. NBC just showed it also

along with the politco article stating that HRC has virtually no chance of winning, along with Tim russerts response

[Rosa Luxemburg]

9. did CNN?

perhaps we should email them?

[futureliveshere]

12. I did

emailed NBC, CNN, Huffington Post and the Philly Inquirer

[Rosa Luxemburg]

23. we need to hit all the locals in PA

[Cha]

42. And what may I ask was russert's response?

Thanks!

[madaboutharry]

10. I am stunned.

Hillary Clinton is an intelligent and worldly woman. Why would she say something so stupid? Honestly, I can't believe she said such a thing when it just wasn't what happened and the whole incident is on film.

[ericgtr]

15. I am normally not for attacks but that's what she's running on

being "experienced" and trying to show herself to have underwent this when she really didn't. Last week one of the analysts (can't remember who) said if that really happened to any politician they would've called the news within minutes of it happening and it would be all over the place.

[tblue37]

116. I don't think a lot of politicians have figured out that

the Internet means that a gazillion people are constantly fact-checking your every utterance, and if it's on tape or on record, it will immedaitely be available for the whole world to see.

This is the sort of lie that once would have gotten a pass, or even if it was noticed, would have been treated as an insignificant part of a brief news cycle on a slow-news day. But now the Net acts as a multiplier, so everything gets amplified by way of the echo chamber of the blogosphere; and the 24/7 news cycle, with so many outlets to stock with content, makes it impossible for anything like this to fade away.

But people like Hillary (and other politicians of a certain age) are not Net-savvy. They don't use the Net the way we do (even those of us who are, as I am, in the same generation as Hillary), because they have "people" who cover that for them. The politicians themselves have other things to take care of.

They may "understand" intellectually that the Net is out there and how it works, but when it comes to the sheer impact of the Net I think they are essentially clueless, and that is why they keep getting blindsided.

[ingac70]

18. I can...

she'll say anything to pump herself up as "experienced".

[sandnsea]

25. My god. She said she won MICHIGAN

when her opponent wasn't even on the ballot and she herself said the election wasn't going to count. She said she won FLORIDA, when she agreed to not run a campaign there. Why in the world would you be shocked that she's lying.

[redqueen]

34. Hope dies last. (nt)

[Kber]

50. I'll concede FL - Obama was on the ballot, afterall

But I know too many people in MI who didn't vote b/c it wouldn't count and their candidate wasn't even on the ballot to make it a fair "beauty contest" anyway.

Maybe the same can be said of FL, but I'm willing to split the baby on this one.

KB

[sandnsea]

75. Just like every good dictatorship

They all have these 'free elections', but either there's only one person on the ballot or nobody is allowed to campaign. How the hell is that an election??? Why are you letting her fuck with your head like that?

[Kber]

51. I'll concede FL - Obama was on the ballot, afterall

But I know too many people in MI who didn't vote b/c it wouldn't count and their candidate wasn't even on the ballot to make it a fair "beauty contest" anyway.

Maybe the same can be said of FL, but I'm willing to split the baby on this one.

KB

[madaboutharry]

53. Because I am naive and

truly want to see the good in people. It upsets me to have to come to the conclusion that someone is full of shit, or a liar, or another politician who will say anything for a vote.

[BigDaddy44]

118. Stunned?

How can you be stunned? She's been regularly lying for years, but has constantly been given a pass. My personal favorite is when she informed us she was named for Sir Edmund Hillary.....that guy who climbed Mount Everest 5 years (at least) AFTER she was born.

(Actually, I'm waiting for the explanation that her birth name was Maude, but her parents were so impressed with Sir Edmund's feat that they changed her name when she was an adolescent.)

[depakid]

11. CBS sure has become like Fox (and equally unwatchable)

Last week, I saw them do what can only be described as a propaganda hit piece on Obama/Wright.

First time I tuned them in for years- and it'll be the last time, too.

[MadBadger]

13. Whats wrong with talking about the Hillary/Bosnia Lying story?

[depakid]

27. It same sort of transparent distraction that the Obama/Wright piece was

If you'd seen that, my guess is you'd agree....

[redqueen]

31. I guess that depends on what you consider to be lying / dishonesty...

and how you interpret their words.

Many interpreted Obama's statements as lies... many others didn't.

This, however... I don't know how anyone could interpret it otherwise.

[depakid]

39. No, what it depends on is what's important: The Clintons did the right thing in Bosnia

and took a LOT of heat for it.

Whether she exaggerated or lied about some barely relevant details doesn't concern me in the slightest....

Any more than Al Gore's statement about the internet concerned me.

[redqueen]

45. Al Gore never said what all the clowns claimed he did. (nt)

[depakid]

61. His statement was poorly worded

which led to the distortions.

Nevertheless, the media process in terms of the larger context is much the same.

[redqueen]

65. Her statement was flat-out false, though, it seems. (nt)

[proud2BlibKansan]

113. There is a large difference between poor wording and flat out lying

[george_maniakes]

46. Not to be an idiot, but exactly do you mean they did the right thing in bosnia?

as far as i can tell it was a gagglefuck.

[depakid]

52. Putting together a NATO force to halt genocide (albeit belatedly) in the Balkans

sounds like the right thing to me.

And you should have heard how the far right reacted at the time.

As much distaste as I have for Russert- he actually called McCain on that one.

[proud2BlibKansan]

112. Barely irrelevant details??

Come on. This is hardly irrelevant.

[Jed Dilligan]

111. Going to a church with a fiery preacher who says stuff that

offends some people, vs. telling a barefaced lie that spits in the face of every person, and the family of every person, who has been under fire (or is NOW under fire) in the service of this country.

Only comparable if you have an extreme double standard.

[george_maniakes]

22. i thought cbs generally leaned left? n/t

[MadBadger]

36. No way, especially not with the ousting of Dan Rather and General Batiste.

[george_maniakes]

40. well if fox leans right, who the hell leans left? n/t

[MadBadger]

44. Fox doesnt lean right, they are RW...I still argue that MSNBC leans slightly left, but has RWingers

[depakid]

68. That would be the same MSNBC that fired Phil Donohue for his progressive views

even though he had the highest ratings on their channel?

[MadBadger]

70. No, it wouldnt be the same MSNBC

5 years later, the new MSNBC notices how successful KO has been.

[SoCalDem]

19. I wish they would show the youtube video

:)

[Noirceuil]

21. Not even close...

to "God Damn America" or, my personal favorite, "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied." Keep trying Obama-heads. The stench of Jeremiah Wright is here to stay.

[redqueen]

26. It doesn't have to be, as this came from the horse's mouth, as it were...

rather than from an advisor.

[george_maniakes]

29. True. Should hillary be accountable for the words that have left the mouth of someone like carville?

Im sure hes got some juicy quotes that will look good in a headline, never mind the context of his words.

[redqueen]

33. I don't think so, no.

I take it you're referring to the "Judas" stuff? I don't pin it on Clinton, no.

[george_maniakes]

37. hell, im sure thats the least scandalous thing hes said. Im sure hes got all kinds of great quotes..

that would make great headlines, if you divorced them from what he wwas talking about at the time.

[babylonsister]

30. Clinton's pastor is going to jail for child abuse; shouldn't that be discussed?

Why the double standard?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x347731

[george_maniakes]

35. yeow. You see, this is why "pastorgate" is so stupid. And why the joy...

in hillary supporters for that story is so short-sighted. Obama, believe it or not, might be the nominee. Why the hate?

[babylonsister]

59. I agree it's stupid, especially when we just went over 4,000 dead

Americans due to an illegal occupation, and over a million Iraqis.

[george_maniakes]

67. a million dead iraqis? i thought it was 100,000-150,000 tops? n/t

[babylonsister]

74. Nope. Over 655,000+ reported by the Lancet Report in Oct. 06.

Follow this thread; we were discussing it today...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5233054&mesg_id=5233244

[proud2BlibKansan]

80. A 7 year old girl??

Whoa. And we are supposed to pretend we are outraged by Rev Wright.

[babylonsister]

85. Amazing, isn't it. And not a word from the m$m. nt

[knixphan]

32. and so are the superdelegates.

[Asgaya Dihi]

43. You're trying to spread guilt by association?

Obama is more guilty for something he did not say, something that was taken out of the context of a larger and much more rational sermon, and something that at least in part was actually a quote of a US ambassador speaking on FOX news, than Hillary is for something that she actually lied about from her own mouth?

Speaking of nice tries ;)

If you want to see the part I mention try the following vid, it's a bit more complete than the slander bites that have been going around. Doesn't mean you'll like it, but it isn't what the swiftboaters have been trying to make it into and I'm ashamed that any dem would stoop to this level for political gain. Any real dem should have fact checked the source rather than depend on a soundbite, then they should have said for the critics to step the fuck back and take it in context. Instead we're treating each other like the opposition party does, and with all the implied dishonesty that includes.

http://www.videosift.com/video/The-full-Rev-Wright-sermon-chickens-coming-home-to-roost

[Rosa Luxemburg]

58. how do you know

how do know that this govt didn't invent the HIV?

[Noirceuil]

72. Logic 101...

Because it is impossible to prove a negative statement (i.e. the government DID NOT invent HIV), the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the person who asserts a positive statement. So I'll ask you, how do you know this government DID invent HIV?

[proud2BlibKansan]

79. And if I lived in Chicago,

I would be sitting in that church every Sunday. That man speaks truth to power and I LOVE it. :bounce:

[TLM]

106. So if I'm reading you right....

A pile of lies Hillary tells HERSELF about her experience that SHE says qualifies her to be president.... that's fine.

BUT

Some crazy comments that Obama's preacher once said on the pulpit is somehow Obama's fault?


It seems to me that the voters who would be scared away from Obama by the whole, "he knows a scary black man" routine, wouldn't have voted for him anyway. Trying to smear someone with comments from their preacher, is transparent and baseless. ALL preachers say some crazy crap on the pulpit ... to hold the church's members responsible for every crazy thing a preacher might have ever said is flat out stupid.

That attack is going to backfire with every single religious person who has ever had a disagreement with something their pastor said or had the pastor say something crazy. Religious activity by nature, isn't a particularly rational pursuit, but rather more of an emotional one. It lends itself to irrational passion, particularly from the pulpit.


It is also going to backfire because... the Clinton's have ties to Wright as well...awarding him presidential awards and inviting him to the white house. Bill even sought him out for guidance... and shame on Bill for not coming forward to defend the man from whom he also sought spiritual guidance.

The bottom line is that the attack on obama is on something that someone else said, but the attack on Hillary is about her words and her lies.

And I suspect that as Obama's numbers climb and Hillary's fall... soon we'll hear the whole pastor flap was a secret Obama conspiracy to trick the media into repeating the words "Obama" and "right" so often that voters subconsciously decide Obama is the right choice.

devious

[mdmc]

24. what did she fib about?

:shrug:

[redqueen]

28. Being under fire...

"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
--Hillary Clinton, speech at George Washington University, March 17, 2008.

[Asgaya Dihi]

57. A C-141 landing

Some of her fans are trying to spin it as if a later helicopter ride or something might have been what she was talking about but she described a dangerous evasive maneuver filled C141 landing, described the plane, and suggested that it was so dangerous there wasn't even a reception and they dashed to vehicles to avoid fire.

Vid comes up showing that C-141 as they debarked, all smiles, nobody running, reception committee complete with a very photogenic little girl there to greet her. She lied, again. I don't trust her an inch more than I would Lieberman and wouldn't vote for her any faster than I would for him either, mostly for the same reasons. If she ever was a dem she's not acting much like one these days and I see no advantage to voting against my own interests and what I see as the nations best interests just because they hang a D behind their name.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

64. You wouldn't want a president who did this

[Squatch]

114. It was a C-17

[Asgaya Dihi]

115. My mistake, thanks for the correction. nt

[dascientist]

38. my question is, why did she "exaggerate"? was it necessary?

was it really necessary for her to say all that to fabricate some kind of "military experience"?

[redqueen]

48. I don't think it was necessary.

And allow me to extend a belated welcome to DU to you, dascientist. :hi:

[DevonRex]

49. I'm wondering about that, too.

That's the silliest fabrication I've ever seen. I mean, cameras everywhere, her child with her, a comedian and a musician for cryin' out loud. If there was Anything out there like what she described, you know there'd be video of it and that news people would have covered it like crazy.
Just makes you wonder.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

60. I wonder why she said it?

[mzmolly]

95. The jist is that she was trying to sound like she was prepared to handle the big 3AM phone call.

She's trying to contrast herself to Obama as the proverbial "tough guy"?

She just lost the election IMO, unless she has a better explaination than "I, you know, mispoke".

[Cha]

63. You never know with the advisers

she has. They don't talk to us like we're adults..it's more what soundbite sounds like it will garner the most votes and prove Obama is just a "Speech"..

<snip>

Remarks of Illinois State Sen. Barack Obama Against Going to War with Iraq
| October 02, 2002
October 2, 2002

Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don't oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain. I don't oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again. I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.

What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the President today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings. You want a fight, President Bush?

<conclusion>..
http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php

[mzmolly]

96. Speculation is that it was due to the "I'm ready to take the 3AM phone call" assertion?

Welcome. :hi:

[Mme. Defarge]

54. She needs to

turn on, tune in, and drop out.

[Bigleaf]

55. Here is a link (Kos) where you can see various outlets report this (Cafferty, Claire Shipman, MSNBC)

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/24/145341/201/815/483295

[tabasco]

66. Thanks for the link.

Very good.

[dchill]

69. That about covers it!

Thanks.

[ericgtr]

71. Even though I am all for Obama

this type of thing, though I think it deserves to be addressed, is so brutal. I felt that way about Wright too, once the attack dogs in the media are loose they don't stop, no matter who it is.

[GarbagemanLB]

73. K&R. She really needs to drop out.

[rndmprsn]

76. K&R

[johnnydrama]

77. the funny thing is

If the story were true, the news would have been so on it, that we'd remember it today.

Fox would have said how horrible Bill was for sending his wife into a dangerous area. They'd say, maybe he wanted her to get killed so he could see younger girls, etc.. etc...

There's no possible way that it wouldn't been big news for days after it happened.

[proud2BlibKansan]

81. Don't you know it?

They would have him in the Oval Office with Monica while his wife and daughter are dodging bullets in a war zone!

[mzmolly]

78. If this is demonstrated to be a lie, this is the beginning of the end

of her campaign.

[proud2BlibKansan]

82. There's no doubt it isn't the truth

[mzmolly]

84. I just wonder if she confused another stop?

I don't know, it seems so foolish and underhanded and I don't consider her either.

[proud2BlibKansan]

92. I think it is like the 40 year old when he talks about the big football game

where he was the quarterback in high school. Or the fisherman telling about the big one that got away. The story just gets bigger and bigger as the years go by.

[mzmolly]

94. Yep, and that 40 year old is apparently making false claims about a big game that unbenownst to him,

someone had on film. Uhm, WHOOPS?

[totodeinhere]

89. It was over even before this came out.

This is just the icing on the cake.

[mzmolly]

97. Let me put it this way. They'll be no denying it's over.

:hi:

[DerekJ]

83. kick

[AmericanUnity]

86. ADD THIS TO NORTHERN IRELAND, NAFTA, and SHE'S GOT A REAL CREDIBILITY PROBLEM

She needs to do Democrats right. We gave them 8 years _ I VOTED FOR BILL TWICE _

Please be gracious Hillary. Obama won fair and square.

Don't destroy us for your ego. Be a good Senator from NY.

You can't win, but you'll destroy the Democratic Party when we could win the WH easily if you don't tear us apart

OK? Then you won't MAKE this VOTER WITH "35 YEARS EXPERIENCE" HATE YOU!

[Medusa]

90. She's HAD a credibility problem

this is just yet in another long list of examples, aka, "My 35 years of experience" and "ready from day 1".

[loveangelc]

87. it's the headline on Drudge also.

theyre about to talk about it on Hannity and Colmes.

yes im watching it.

[TheDonkey]

88. Not much she can say other than "So?"

time for her to step down.

[Scurrilous]

91. K & R

:thumbsup:

[tabasco]

93. She really needs to think how much she wants to keep her Senate seat!

The more this goes on, the more that Hillary is exposed.

[TwilightGardener]

98. She's starting to look like a fraud. When you become the target of widespread public ridicule, your

days as a candidate are numbered.

[hogwyld]

99. I've had friends that were in actual combat

And believe me, you KNOW AND REMEMBER when your getting shot at. This is just more bullshit posturing of a wannabe.

[mythyc]

100. exactly -- check post #12 on this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5225979#5232512

tho never mind the OP, just some dumb-ass who then goes on to attack the veteran's patently crystal memory....

[cliffordu]

103. Thanks, mythyc -

That's my post.

:hi:

:patriot:

[mythyc]

104. no, thank you. I was humbled by and so proud of what you wrote

on so many levels. Thanks for everything you've done and do

:patriot:

[cliffordu]

105. Please, I didn't do anything, really

But the 58,217 boys and girls who did say you're welcome.

And now, as of yesterday, 4000 more.

Will we never learn??

[hogwyld]

107. Thanks for your sevice from a fellow serviceman!

Yeah, my dad was in Vietnam also, Seal Team 1 det 26, (Seriously old school)and He can't remember some days whether he called on the phone or not, but he can remember every detail of his time in 'Nam. This crap from Hillary really REALLY pisses him off to no end.

[cliffordu]

109. Thanks for your service too, hogwyld.

Your Pops was Old School, for sure. I heard about some of those guys.....sheeit.

My own Army service was pale by comparison.

Tell your old man I said howdy. Tell him I'm glad he got back. . :patriot:

[better tomorrow]

102. YouTube video coming your way soon......

I've got the perfect song......

[Oilwellian]

108. I wonder what Chelsea thinks

She was certainly old enough to remember the true story. What's really galling is Hillary voted to put real troops in the line of fire and pretends to have been in the same situation for POLITICAL GAIN. Shame on you, Hillary...shame on you. Words do matter.

[Ysabel]

110. k and r (n/t)...

[knixphan]

117. ditto.

[Bensthename]

119. This will cost her PA and thus the nomination. She just cant lie about being shot at.

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

121. Sounds to me like someone is telling fairy tales.

Right Bill?