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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:32 PM
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One of the two of them needs to step aside, soon, very, very soon.
He's killing her, she's killing him. They will kill off eachother before it's done and we'll have McCain in the White House with a Vice President who will likely succeed him. So... one of these two has to make the ultimate sacrifice and step aside.

Having said that, please tell me, with facts and numbers, not rhetoric, which one of them has the least likely chance to defeat a Republican ticket in November. Facts and numbers...and timing...how long do we let the bloodletting go on? How far are you willing to go to support your candidate? How much are you willing to risk on a fight to the Convention? Is all of this bullshit worth risking the SCOTUS and, perhaps 4,000 more of our youngsters?

As much as I hate the thought, if I can be convinced that Obama has no chance of winning the nomination and no chance of winning in November, I will change my mind.

Fair enough?
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:34 PM
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1. Nope. Democrats are getting national attention like no time previously in the past several decades.
I'm enjoying our candidates being in the limelight.

I'm enjoying hearing Mississippians discuss national health care as if they think they deserve it.

I'm enjoying progressive topics receiving attention.

I credit both Obama and Clinton for keeping these issues in the forefront. As long as they both stay in, progressivism will get media attention. That's a good thing.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:35 PM
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4. Do you enjoy both candidates slipping in national polls against McCain?
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:37 PM
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7. Do you realize how unimportant national polls are at this point?
Eight months before the general, national polls are pretty unimportant.

Look back at the polls between Kerry and GW.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:40 PM
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9. Not the point.
Having our candidates drop in national polling can in no way be interpreted as helpful publicity. You can say it doesn't matter, but you can't say it's a good thing.

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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:36 PM
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5. Contrary to the cliche...
...not all publicity is good publicity.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:34 PM
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2. I'm just spitballing here...
but maybe the one who drops out should be the candidate with no realistic chance of winning the nomination. Just a suggestion... :shrug:
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:35 PM
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3. I think you're half right.
He isn't killing her, her crappy repulsive hate-filled campaign is killing her. JMHO of course but she's gotta go.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:41 PM
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10. "her crappy repulsive hate-filled campaign is killing her."
And if (IF) she's only staying in to help setup a 2012 run she would be better served if she stopped damaging her own reputation in trying to smear Obama.

She really needs to quit, stay away from saying any more against Obama through the GE, and take her chances that Obama wont win, because half the party will consider her a traitor if she continues and then she will lose in 2012 too.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:36 PM
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6. Facts and numbers please! n/t
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:37 PM
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8. Why so the repugs can focus on one full time for an additional 3 months? nt
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:46 PM
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11. Let these two continue to draw the press.
I think this is the best way to get the public interested in the election. Meanwhile, Poor McSame can't figure out who to attack. Doesn't want to go after Obama, fearing the democrats will rally behind him and doesn't want to attack Hillary or Obama will be sure to win. (Republicans' worst nightmare).
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