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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 08:02 PM
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Clinton campaign use of Judas: Who are the real targets?
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/03/carville_sticks.html

James Carville, a Hillary Clinton partisan, today did not back away at all from comparing New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson to Judas.

Carville had said Richardson had betrayed the Clintons -- much as Judas betrayed Jesus -- by endorsing Barack Obama on Friday despite working in former president Bill Clinton's administration. Richardson should have stayed neutral in the Democratic primary fight, Carville said today on CNN.

Carville said he wanted to show his strong displeasure and used a "seasonal metaphor."



These were not comments aimed at Richardson. Governor Richardson was already clearly in the 'dead to us' category. These were not comments made in the 'heat of the fight'. These were comments aimed at other Clinton supporters who they are worried have grown weary of the fratricide and are willing to throw in the towel.

Anyone who has previously endorsed Clinton and is considering changing should be prepared that the Clintons will be using everything in their power to make you pay. And this is not the first time. The first time was in the overlooked parts of Ferraro's Obama attack. In this you tube take go to 2:35 and listen to Ferraro clearly imply that civil rights hero Rep. John Lewis is a coward for endorsing Obama. I will give you that 'coward' does not quite reach 'Judas' but it is pretty close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqL_sm0J8jc

Who are they worried will be next? Anyone in New York. The Clinton super delegate lead is based on a whopping 41 super delegates in New York. Any slippage there following a Richardson endorsement would show that the Clinton foundation was crumbling other super delegates that are getting cold feet for being on the wrong ship would start jumping.

They want every super delegate in New York and in areas where the Clinton brand is still huge to be absolutely terrified of ending up on national TV being accused of being a Judas. They do not want to be a target of the Clinton 'scorched person' campaign after the presidential campaign is over.

Who are they worried about, whose defection would seem to be possible and cause even more damage than Richardson. Three candidates;

1) Governor Patterson.
From the African American community he like a lot of politicians from the African American community cannot be too happy on how this has all turned out. Never since the "S.S. Minnow" left on a 'three hour tour' have a group of folks found that they were not on the happy outing that was promised to them.

The evidence he may be thinking of changing sides: Last week he announced he was not resigning his DNC seat as a super delegate. This means that the super delegate seat held by Spitzer will now go unused. This has cost Hillary a super delegate and was not an accident. A subtle signal that he is not happy?


2) Representative Charles Rangel
He endorsed Senator Clinton very early on when it seemed like a cake walk (5/25/07)and found himself in the middle of the surrogate wars when Obama was coming up but looked like a temporary phenomena when he made these comments about Obama and Dr. King:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/rep-rangel-defe.html
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In defending his candidate for president, New York colleague Sen. Hillary Clinton, Rep. Charlie Rangel seemed to fumble what Illinois Sen. Barack Obama said about Dr. Martin Luther King's work to enact civil rights legislation. Rangel told NY1 Monday night "...for him to suggest that Dr. King could have signed that act is absolutely stupid. It's absolutely dumb to infer that Doctor King, alone, passed the legislation and signed it into law."
unquote

A few days later:
Rangel’s wife Alma formally announced today that she is endorsing Barack Obama for President.

3)Senator Chuck Schumer
Senator Schumer is unlikely to come out directly against Clinton but he could be giving comfort to other New York super delegates who may be considering it. In past comments he made it clear that he is against a protracted futile campaign.

http://www.observer.com/2008/schumer-avoiding-self-destructive-end-clinton-vs-obama
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But he also said he doubted that one candidate would stay on long after it became clear he or she could not win the nomination.

"The number one thing that people worry about is that the candidates will cut each other up and make it harder to win the general," he said. "But I think that is not going to happen. Because everyone cares about winning so much. Not only the candidates, but the electorate. So if one candidate is doing something that is regarded as really self-destructive, of the ability to win, that's really going to hurt them."

"It would widely be regarded negatively in the electorate," he said.


Defections from her home base would likely be fatal to the campaign. Carville's Judas rant was aimed to make sure the the folks close to home where her power can still be felt got the message. Cross us and we will come after you.


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 09:21 PM
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1. after seeing Carville on CNN 360 I am even more convinced that he
was threatening some future endorsers.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 10:32 PM
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2. kick in traffic
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Katina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 10:33 PM
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3. and yet the Clinton campaign cries foul
when Obama responds to the clintonian attacks.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 11:01 PM
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4. Dawn Turner Trice column in today`s chicago tribune
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-trice-24mar24,0,5000443.column
Clintons lose luster with black voters -- Government, New Hampshire, Democratic Party -- chicagotribune.com

has clinton lost her african american votes?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:23 AM
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7. good point
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 11:06 PM
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5. If I were a SuperDee would I be intimidated
by the agin' Cajun, I ask myself? NO. He's a toothless hasbeen.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:22 AM
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6. If you were a NY politician and you realised that you would have to spend the next
few years battling the Clinton machine it might make you sit back down and wait for the inevitable.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:29 AM
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9. It's not a matter of Carville. Carville is just an attack dog. He's there to send a warning.
The issue is, Hillary is not leaving the NY stage anytime soon. And Bill is not leaving the national stage anytime soon.

So, if you ever find yourself in a tough primary fight and you want to call in Hillary or Bill for a rally, will they return your call?

If you need a list of potential donors will the Clintons or McAulliffe or Ickes be there to help?

Do you really want an opponent in a future election quoting a prominent dem in an ad saying that you can't be trusted?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:33 AM
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12. do any New Yorkers have an opinion on this?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:36 AM
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13. He is a 'kitchen sink' for hire
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:26 AM
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8. Why do democrats even let Carville in the party?
he's married to the former assistant to Dick CHeney, his wife worked with Karl Rove
and Scooter Libby.

She held a fund raiser for Libby.

The guy is an opportunist and not a true democrat.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:15 PM
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16. well all you have to do is show up and your in the party lol
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:30 AM
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10. Excellent analysis!
Very well done, thanks! :thumbsup:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:51 AM
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14. thanks
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:30 AM
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11. Off to the Greatest you go
I didn't even think of it in that light until now. That's exactly what he's doing.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:20 PM
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17. I wish some NY democrats would give some update on what they are
hearing from some of the SDs that have been under pressure
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:11 PM
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15. Thanks Grantcart! good analysis. nt
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:36 PM
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18. thanks
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:41 PM
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19. Here's a seasonal metaphor:
Carville reared his ugly head like an amanita in springtime.



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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:46 PM
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20. and I think he would even like it lol
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:27 PM
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21. evening kick
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