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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 11:59 PM
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She has the nerve to lie about being under fire while sending our troops into real peril!
Edited on Mon Mar-24-08 11:59 PM by Bonobo
Some Commander-in-Chief.

She takes responsibility for nothing.

Not for the 500,000 Iraqi children that died because of the Clinton's Iraqi sanctions.

Not for the 4,000 killed and 40,000 wounded American soldiers that she handed to Bush on a plate when he asked for them.

Not for the 1 million Iraqis killed during the current conflict.

Not for the Cluster-Bombs she REFUSED to sign a ban on.

But she has the nerve to lie about going into a dangerous area for the purposes of political SELF-AGGRANDIZEMENT!

How disgusting can you get.

And I didn't even mention this campaign where she's been rolling in the swill with the racist, McCarthyistic hogs of the DLC.

She makes me puke.

Maya Angelou. How dare they use Maya Angelou. "Still I Rise" indeed. Like Glenn Close from "Fatal Attraction", still I rise!

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:01 AM
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1. Maya wrote it for Hillary in Jan, 2008. Know your history before you look foolish again
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:03 AM
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4. Maya Angelou wrote "Still I Rise" in 1978 ...
... long before she met Hillary.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:04 AM
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7. Wow, you mean that whole "looking foolish thing" actually applies to...oops!
Man, that sucks!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:14 AM
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24. YOU LIE--READ THIS:




http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/20/usa.poetry


Maya Angelou's poem in praise of Hillary

* Vanessa Thorpe, arts and media correspondent
* The Observer,
* Sunday January 20 2008

About this article
Close
This article appeared in the Observer on Sunday January 20 2008 on p3 of the News section. It was last updated at 01:49 on January 20 2008.

Maya Angelou, the African-American poet who is one of the most influential and respected literary voices of the modern age, has written a poem praising Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign for The Observer.

Angelou, author of an autobiographical series of books, including the international bestseller I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, was moved to send the verse after being asked by the newspaper for her reflections on Clinton.

She is supporting Clinton despite her close friendship with television personality and philanthropist Oprah Winfrey, a prominent backer of rival Democrat Barack Obama, the first black presidential hopeful with a real chance of reaching the White House.

Angelou is steadfast in her loyalty to Clinton. She said recently: 'I made up my mind 15 years ago that if she ever ran for office I'd be on her wagon. My only difficulty with Senator Obama is that I believe in going out with who I went in with.'

The 79-year-old poet was the centrepiece of Bill Clinton's inauguration in 1993 when she read her poem On the Pulse of Morning, playing on the idea of a new political dawn. Last week she handed this new poem over to the Clinton campaign.

Angelou says that she has had many long telephone conversations with Winfrey on the subject of Obama versus Clinton. 'She thinks he's the best, and I think my woman is the best,' she has explained. 'Oprah is a daughter to me, but she is not my clone.'

Angelou was recently voted one of the 10 most admired women in America, in a poll topped by Hillary Clinton. The very public marital problems suffered by the Clintons during their time at the White House seem to have reinforced Angelou's admiration for Hillary.

'When he had his brush with Ms Lewinsky, the whole world was looking under Mrs Clinton's bedclothes. Many people expected her to fall or to become as hard as a rock,' she has said. 'She did neither. I love that about her. She didn't pretend she wasn't hurt and she didn't become a virago.'

Andrew Motion, the Poet Laureate, said of the poem: 'This is a great thing for The Observer to have.' He favourably compared it with the 'vivid flourishes' of Angelou's recent work. 'With this kind of poem Angelou has decided to interpret public writing as a verbal equivalent of making a poster, and there's nothing wrong with this. The rhetoric is full of big gestures that make a direct appeal to our feelings, rather than getting to it by the little winding ways more personal poetry might use.'

Motion said the lines raise questions about whether 'poster-style' poems can live long beyond the moment. 'Maybe Angelou doesn't mean them to. On their own terms they have the vivacity and strength and colours you would expect of posters. But they have a sort of best-before date, or rather a best-on date, stamped on them.'

It is not known how long Angelou spent writing the poem, but in the weeks leading up to President Bill Clinton's first inauguration she is said to have begun work at 5.30 every morning, equipped with a glass of sherry, a dictionary, Roget's Thesaurus and the Bible.

Angelou was born Marguerite Johnson in 1928 in St Louis, Missouri, and lived with her mother until she was raped by her mother's boyfriend. In England she became famous in the early Seventies with the first of her volumes of autobiography.

During her extraordinary life she has worked as a prostitute, a professor, a Creole cook, an aide to Martin Luther King, a singer, an actress, a dancer, the editor of an Egyptian newspaper and a single mother, as well as producing poetry and plays.

In recent years she has controversially even written lines to be printed inside greetings cards. 'Life is a glorious banquet, a limitless and delicious buffet,' reads one of her Hallmark epigrams.

She has defended this commercial decision against literary snobbery: 'If I'm America's poet, or one of them, I want to be in people's hands. All people's hands, people who would never buy a book.'

It remains to be seen if she will find herself once again rising at dawn to compose new stanzas to mark a third Clinton inauguration………
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:27 AM
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43. From the Random House website (Angelou's publisher):

And Still I Rise

Written by Maya Angelou
* Category: Poetry
* Format: Hardcover, 64 pages
* On Sale: August 12, 1978
* Price: $13.95
* ISBN: 978-0-394-50252-6 (0-394-50252-3)
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:51 AM
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63. In my original response to you ...
... I merely pointed out that "And Still I Rise" was published in 1978, before Angelou met Hillary.

I did not berate you, call you an idiot, disparage you in any way. I simply pointed out that you were mistaken.

You responded by calling me a liar.

Your mistake in this regard has been pointed out, with the appropriate facts and links, several times. Instead of responding with an, "Ooops! I made a mistake," you have lashed out at everyone.

If you've been wondering why some Hillary supporters here have been called out for their behavior, or shunned completely as a result thereof, perhaps you are now aware of why that's been happening.

Your little temper-tantrum here is a perfect example.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:15 AM
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74. not her fault - its her first rodeo
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:03 AM
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5. Well I say pearls before swine then.
Or as they say in Japan, "Buta ni shinju"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:15 AM
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25. KNOW YOUR HISTORY BEFORE YOU SPOUNT OFF AND LOOK FOOLISH: READ THIS




http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/20/usa.poetry


Maya Angelou's poem in praise of Hillary

* Vanessa Thorpe, arts and media correspondent
* The Observer,
* Sunday January 20 2008

About this article
Close
This article appeared in the Observer on Sunday January 20 2008 on p3 of the News section. It was last updated at 01:49 on January 20 2008.

Maya Angelou, the African-American poet who is one of the most influential and respected literary voices of the modern age, has written a poem praising Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign for The Observer.

Angelou, author of an autobiographical series of books, including the international bestseller I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, was moved to send the verse after being asked by the newspaper for her reflections on Clinton.

She is supporting Clinton despite her close friendship with television personality and philanthropist Oprah Winfrey, a prominent backer of rival Democrat Barack Obama, the first black presidential hopeful with a real chance of reaching the White House.

Angelou is steadfast in her loyalty to Clinton. She said recently: 'I made up my mind 15 years ago that if she ever ran for office I'd be on her wagon. My only difficulty with Senator Obama is that I believe in going out with who I went in with.'

The 79-year-old poet was the centrepiece of Bill Clinton's inauguration in 1993 when she read her poem On the Pulse of Morning, playing on the idea of a new political dawn. Last week she handed this new poem over to the Clinton campaign.

Angelou says that she has had many long telephone conversations with Winfrey on the subject of Obama versus Clinton. 'She thinks he's the best, and I think my woman is the best,' she has explained. 'Oprah is a daughter to me, but she is not my clone.'

Angelou was recently voted one of the 10 most admired women in America, in a poll topped by Hillary Clinton. The very public marital problems suffered by the Clintons during their time at the White House seem to have reinforced Angelou's admiration for Hillary.

'When he had his brush with Ms Lewinsky, the whole world was looking under Mrs Clinton's bedclothes. Many people expected her to fall or to become as hard as a rock,' she has said. 'She did neither. I love that about her. She didn't pretend she wasn't hurt and she didn't become a virago.'

Andrew Motion, the Poet Laureate, said of the poem: 'This is a great thing for The Observer to have.' He favourably compared it with the 'vivid flourishes' of Angelou's recent work. 'With this kind of poem Angelou has decided to interpret public writing as a verbal equivalent of making a poster, and there's nothing wrong with this. The rhetoric is full of big gestures that make a direct appeal to our feelings, rather than getting to it by the little winding ways more personal poetry might use.'

Motion said the lines raise questions about whether 'poster-style' poems can live long beyond the moment. 'Maybe Angelou doesn't mean them to. On their own terms they have the vivacity and strength and colours you would expect of posters. But they have a sort of best-before date, or rather a best-on date, stamped on them.'

It is not known how long Angelou spent writing the poem, but in the weeks leading up to President Bill Clinton's first inauguration she is said to have begun work at 5.30 every morning, equipped with a glass of sherry, a dictionary, Roget's Thesaurus and the Bible.

Angelou was born Marguerite Johnson in 1928 in St Louis, Missouri, and lived with her mother until she was raped by her mother's boyfriend. In England she became famous in the early Seventies with the first of her volumes of autobiography.

During her extraordinary life she has worked as a prostitute, a professor, a Creole cook, an aide to Martin Luther King, a singer, an actress, a dancer, the editor of an Egyptian newspaper and a single mother, as well as producing poetry and plays.

In recent years she has controversially even written lines to be printed inside greetings cards. 'Life is a glorious banquet, a limitless and delicious buffet,' reads one of her Hallmark epigrams.

She has defended this commercial decision against literary snobbery: 'If I'm America's poet, or one of them, I want to be in people's hands. All people's hands, people who would never buy a book.'

It remains to be seen if she will find herself once again rising at dawn to compose new stanzas to mark a third Clinton inauguration………
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:18 AM
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29. Honestly, I think you are the one that looks ignorant.
You should consider taking a rest.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:53 AM
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88. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!!!!!!
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:04 AM
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6. No, "And Still I Rise" was written in 1978
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:17 AM
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28. READ THIS ---"Last week she handed this new poem over to the Clinton campaign."




http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/20/usa.poetry


Maya Angelou's poem in praise of Hillary

* Vanessa Thorpe, arts and media correspondent
* The Observer,
* Sunday January 20 2008

About this article
Close
This article appeared in the Observer on Sunday January 20 2008 on p3 of the News section. It was last updated at 01:49 on January 20 2008.

Maya Angelou, the African-American poet who is one of the most influential and respected literary voices of the modern age, has written a poem praising Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign for The Observer.

Angelou, author of an autobiographical series of books, including the international bestseller I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, was moved to send the verse after being asked by the newspaper for her reflections on Clinton.

She is supporting Clinton despite her close friendship with television personality and philanthropist Oprah Winfrey, a prominent backer of rival Democrat Barack Obama, the first black presidential hopeful with a real chance of reaching the White House.

Angelou is steadfast in her loyalty to Clinton. She said recently: 'I made up my mind 15 years ago that if she ever ran for office I'd be on her wagon. My only difficulty with Senator Obama is that I believe in going out with who I went in with.'

The 79-year-old poet was the centrepiece of Bill Clinton's inauguration in 1993 when she read her poem On the Pulse of Morning, playing on the idea of a new political dawn. Last week she handed this new poem over to the Clinton campaign.

Angelou says that she has had many long telephone conversations with Winfrey on the subject of Obama versus Clinton. 'She thinks he's the best, and I think my woman is the best,' she has explained. 'Oprah is a daughter to me, but she is not my clone.'

Angelou was recently voted one of the 10 most admired women in America, in a poll topped by Hillary Clinton. The very public marital problems suffered by the Clintons during their time at the White House seem to have reinforced Angelou's admiration for Hillary.

'When he had his brush with Ms Lewinsky, the whole world was looking under Mrs Clinton's bedclothes. Many people expected her to fall or to become as hard as a rock,' she has said. 'She did neither. I love that about her. She didn't pretend she wasn't hurt and she didn't become a virago.'

Andrew Motion, the Poet Laureate, said of the poem: 'This is a great thing for The Observer to have.' He favourably compared it with the 'vivid flourishes' of Angelou's recent work. 'With this kind of poem Angelou has decided to interpret public writing as a verbal equivalent of making a poster, and there's nothing wrong with this. The rhetoric is full of big gestures that make a direct appeal to our feelings, rather than getting to it by the little winding ways more personal poetry might use.'

Motion said the lines raise questions about whether 'poster-style' poems can live long beyond the moment. 'Maybe Angelou doesn't mean them to. On their own terms they have the vivacity and strength and colours you would expect of posters. But they have a sort of best-before date, or rather a best-on date, stamped on them.'

It is not known how long Angelou spent writing the poem, but in the weeks leading up to President Bill Clinton's first inauguration she is said to have begun work at 5.30 every morning, equipped with a glass of sherry, a dictionary, Roget's Thesaurus and the Bible.

Angelou was born Marguerite Johnson in 1928 in St Louis, Missouri, and lived with her mother until she was raped by her mother's boyfriend. In England she became famous in the early Seventies with the first of her volumes of autobiography.

During her extraordinary life she has worked as a prostitute, a professor, a Creole cook, an aide to Martin Luther King, a singer, an actress, a dancer, the editor of an Egyptian newspaper and a single mother, as well as producing poetry and plays.

In recent years she has controversially even written lines to be printed inside greetings cards. 'Life is a glorious banquet, a limitless and delicious buffet,' reads one of her Hallmark epigrams.

She has defended this commercial decision against literary snobbery: 'If I'm America's poet, or one of them, I want to be in people's hands. All people's hands, people who would never buy a book.'

It remains to be seen if she will find herself once again rising at dawn to compose new stanzas to mark a third Clinton inauguration………
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:20 AM
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32. That's a different poem
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 12:24 AM by tammywammy
Maya Angelou wrote "Rise Hillary Rise" for Hillary Clinton in 2008. "And Still I Rise" was written in 1978.


I look forward to your apology. BTW, you can only post 4 paragraphs, so you should edit your post.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:25 AM
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38. The poster will have to go back and check with the higher-ups at HIL CENTRAL.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:27 AM
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41. That Google is sooooo complicated
It's an Obama conspiracy!!11!1!!!

:rofl:


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:17 AM
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76. they can't answer right now - they are under sniper fire
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:19 AM
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78. What do you accomplish by being so nasty all the time?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:06 AM
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10. Did you get permission from Random House?
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 12:08 AM by ClassWarrior
copyright © 1978 by Maya Angelou.
Used by permission of Random House, Inc.


http://www.kalimunro.com/still_I_rise.html

NGU.


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:18 AM
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30. READ this before you spout off




http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/20/usa.poetry


Maya Angelou's poem in praise of Hillary

* Vanessa Thorpe, arts and media correspondent
* The Observer,
* Sunday January 20 2008

About this article
Close
This article appeared in the Observer on Sunday January 20 2008 on p3 of the News section. It was last updated at 01:49 on January 20 2008.

Maya Angelou, the African-American poet who is one of the most influential and respected literary voices of the modern age, has written a poem praising Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign for The Observer.

Angelou, author of an autobiographical series of books, including the international bestseller I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, was moved to send the verse after being asked by the newspaper for her reflections on Clinton.

She is supporting Clinton despite her close friendship with television personality and philanthropist Oprah Winfrey, a prominent backer of rival Democrat Barack Obama, the first black presidential hopeful with a real chance of reaching the White House.

Angelou is steadfast in her loyalty to Clinton. She said recently: 'I made up my mind 15 years ago that if she ever ran for office I'd be on her wagon. My only difficulty with Senator Obama is that I believe in going out with who I went in with.'

The 79-year-old poet was the centrepiece of Bill Clinton's inauguration in 1993 when she read her poem On the Pulse of Morning, playing on the idea of a new political dawn. Last week she handed this new poem over to the Clinton campaign.

Angelou says that she has had many long telephone conversations with Winfrey on the subject of Obama versus Clinton. 'She thinks he's the best, and I think my woman is the best,' she has explained. 'Oprah is a daughter to me, but she is not my clone.'

Angelou was recently voted one of the 10 most admired women in America, in a poll topped by Hillary Clinton. The very public marital problems suffered by the Clintons during their time at the White House seem to have reinforced Angelou's admiration for Hillary.

'When he had his brush with Ms Lewinsky, the whole world was looking under Mrs Clinton's bedclothes. Many people expected her to fall or to become as hard as a rock,' she has said. 'She did neither. I love that about her. She didn't pretend she wasn't hurt and she didn't become a virago.'

Andrew Motion, the Poet Laureate, said of the poem: 'This is a great thing for The Observer to have.' He favourably compared it with the 'vivid flourishes' of Angelou's recent work. 'With this kind of poem Angelou has decided to interpret public writing as a verbal equivalent of making a poster, and there's nothing wrong with this. The rhetoric is full of big gestures that make a direct appeal to our feelings, rather than getting to it by the little winding ways more personal poetry might use.'

Motion said the lines raise questions about whether 'poster-style' poems can live long beyond the moment. 'Maybe Angelou doesn't mean them to. On their own terms they have the vivacity and strength and colours you would expect of posters. But they have a sort of best-before date, or rather a best-on date, stamped on them.'

It is not known how long Angelou spent writing the poem, but in the weeks leading up to President Bill Clinton's first inauguration she is said to have begun work at 5.30 every morning, equipped with a glass of sherry, a dictionary, Roget's Thesaurus and the Bible.

Angelou was born Marguerite Johnson in 1928 in St Louis, Missouri, and lived with her mother until she was raped by her mother's boyfriend. In England she became famous in the early Seventies with the first of her volumes of autobiography.

During her extraordinary life she has worked as a prostitute, a professor, a Creole cook, an aide to Martin Luther King, a singer, an actress, a dancer, the editor of an Egyptian newspaper and a single mother, as well as producing poetry and plays.

In recent years she has controversially even written lines to be printed inside greetings cards. 'Life is a glorious banquet, a limitless and delicious buffet,' reads one of her Hallmark epigrams.

She has defended this commercial decision against literary snobbery: 'If I'm America's poet, or one of them, I want to be in people's hands. All people's hands, people who would never buy a book.'

It remains to be seen if she will find herself once again rising at dawn to compose new stanzas to mark a third Clinton inauguration………
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:22 AM
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35. READ THIS BEFORE YOU SPOUT OFF - and watch out for lawyers...
"And Still I Rise"
Written by Maya Angelou

Category: Poetry
Format: Hardcover, 64 pages
Publisher: Random House
On Sale: August 1978
Price: $13.95
ISBN: 978-0-394-50252-6 (0-394-50252-3)

http://www.randomhouse.com/gm/results.pperl?x=0&y=0&title_subtitle_auth_isbn=still+i+rise

NGU.


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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #35
42. Anyone else smell burning insulation?
I think the Hilbot circuits are shorting out!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:50 AM
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62. I just love CapsLock as a substitute for sanity.
:eyes:
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:07 AM
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71. ROFLMAO...
I'd ask to put that in my sigline if I didn't have a good one already.

:toast:

NGU.


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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:54 AM
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89. LOUD NOISES!!!!!!!
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:08 AM
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15. You need to do some research...
http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/15623

"From And Still I Rise by Maya Angelou. Copyright © 1978 by Maya Angelou"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:19 AM
Original message
YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY READ THE POEM AND NOTE THE DIFFERNCE--READ THIS





http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/20/usa.poetry


Maya Angelou's poem in praise of Hillary

* Vanessa Thorpe, arts and media correspondent
* The Observer,
* Sunday January 20 2008

About this article
Close
This article appeared in the Observer on Sunday January 20 2008 on p3 of the News section. It was last updated at 01:49 on January 20 2008.

Maya Angelou, the African-American poet who is one of the most influential and respected literary voices of the modern age, has written a poem praising Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign for The Observer.

Angelou, author of an autobiographical series of books, including the international bestseller I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, was moved to send the verse after being asked by the newspaper for her reflections on Clinton.

She is supporting Clinton despite her close friendship with television personality and philanthropist Oprah Winfrey, a prominent backer of rival Democrat Barack Obama, the first black presidential hopeful with a real chance of reaching the White House.

Angelou is steadfast in her loyalty to Clinton. She said recently: 'I made up my mind 15 years ago that if she ever ran for office I'd be on her wagon. My only difficulty with Senator Obama is that I believe in going out with who I went in with.'

The 79-year-old poet was the centrepiece of Bill Clinton's inauguration in 1993 when she read her poem On the Pulse of Morning, playing on the idea of a new political dawn. Last week she handed this new poem over to the Clinton campaign.

Angelou says that she has had many long telephone conversations with Winfrey on the subject of Obama versus Clinton. 'She thinks he's the best, and I think my woman is the best,' she has explained. 'Oprah is a daughter to me, but she is not my clone.'

Angelou was recently voted one of the 10 most admired women in America, in a poll topped by Hillary Clinton. The very public marital problems suffered by the Clintons during their time at the White House seem to have reinforced Angelou's admiration for Hillary.

'When he had his brush with Ms Lewinsky, the whole world was looking under Mrs Clinton's bedclothes. Many people expected her to fall or to become as hard as a rock,' she has said. 'She did neither. I love that about her. She didn't pretend she wasn't hurt and she didn't become a virago.'

Andrew Motion, the Poet Laureate, said of the poem: 'This is a great thing for The Observer to have.' He favourably compared it with the 'vivid flourishes' of Angelou's recent work. 'With this kind of poem Angelou has decided to interpret public writing as a verbal equivalent of making a poster, and there's nothing wrong with this. The rhetoric is full of big gestures that make a direct appeal to our feelings, rather than getting to it by the little winding ways more personal poetry might use.'

Motion said the lines raise questions about whether 'poster-style' poems can live long beyond the moment. 'Maybe Angelou doesn't mean them to. On their own terms they have the vivacity and strength and colours you would expect of posters. But they have a sort of best-before date, or rather a best-on date, stamped on them.'

It is not known how long Angelou spent writing the poem, but in the weeks leading up to President Bill Clinton's first inauguration she is said to have begun work at 5.30 every morning, equipped with a glass of sherry, a dictionary, Roget's Thesaurus and the Bible.

Angelou was born Marguerite Johnson in 1928 in St Louis, Missouri, and lived with her mother until she was raped by her mother's boyfriend. In England she became famous in the early Seventies with the first of her volumes of autobiography.

During her extraordinary life she has worked as a prostitute, a professor, a Creole cook, an aide to Martin Luther King, a singer, an actress, a dancer, the editor of an Egyptian newspaper and a single mother, as well as producing poetry and plays.

In recent years she has controversially even written lines to be printed inside greetings cards. 'Life is a glorious banquet, a limitless and delicious buffet,' reads one of her Hallmark epigrams.

She has defended this commercial decision against literary snobbery: 'If I'm America's poet, or one of them, I want to be in people's hands. All people's hands, people who would never buy a book.'

It remains to be seen if she will find herself once again rising at dawn to compose new stanzas to mark a third Clinton inauguration………
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:29 AM
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46. THE DIFFERNCE is that you've been posting copywritten material all over the web--READ THIS
"And Still I Rise"
Written by Maya Angelou

Category: Poetry
Format: Hardcover, 64 pages
Publisher: Random House
On Sale: August 1978
Price: $13.95
ISBN: 978-0-394-50252-6 (0-394-50252-3)

http://www.randomhouse.com/gm/results.pperl?x=0&y=0&title_subtitle_auth_isbn=still+i+rise

NGU.


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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #1
21. Ummm, wow, I guess you're the one that is looking foolish it seems.
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 12:13 AM by Bonobo
Goes to show you that if you take a single source of information -say for example a disgruntled Hillary supporter at DU that starts a pathetic Hillary "fanboy" site- then you are asking for trouble.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #21
33. READ THIS--YOU LOOK FOOLISH




http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/20/usa.poetry


Maya Angelou's poem in praise of Hillary

* Vanessa Thorpe, arts and media correspondent
* The Observer,
* Sunday January 20 2008

About this article
Close
This article appeared in the Observer on Sunday January 20 2008 on p3 of the News section. It was last updated at 01:49 on January 20 2008.

Maya Angelou, the African-American poet who is one of the most influential and respected literary voices of the modern age, has written a poem praising Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign for The Observer.

Angelou, author of an autobiographical series of books, including the international bestseller I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, was moved to send the verse after being asked by the newspaper for her reflections on Clinton.

She is supporting Clinton despite her close friendship with television personality and philanthropist Oprah Winfrey, a prominent backer of rival Democrat Barack Obama, the first black presidential hopeful with a real chance of reaching the White House.

Angelou is steadfast in her loyalty to Clinton. She said recently: 'I made up my mind 15 years ago that if she ever ran for office I'd be on her wagon. My only difficulty with Senator Obama is that I believe in going out with who I went in with.'

The 79-year-old poet was the centrepiece of Bill Clinton's inauguration in 1993 when she read her poem On the Pulse of Morning, playing on the idea of a new political dawn. Last week she handed this new poem over to the Clinton campaign.

Angelou says that she has had many long telephone conversations with Winfrey on the subject of Obama versus Clinton. 'She thinks he's the best, and I think my woman is the best,' she has explained. 'Oprah is a daughter to me, but she is not my clone.'

Angelou was recently voted one of the 10 most admired women in America, in a poll topped by Hillary Clinton. The very public marital problems suffered by the Clintons during their time at the White House seem to have reinforced Angelou's admiration for Hillary.

'When he had his brush with Ms Lewinsky, the whole world was looking under Mrs Clinton's bedclothes. Many people expected her to fall or to become as hard as a rock,' she has said. 'She did neither. I love that about her. She didn't pretend she wasn't hurt and she didn't become a virago.'

Andrew Motion, the Poet Laureate, said of the poem: 'This is a great thing for The Observer to have.' He favourably compared it with the 'vivid flourishes' of Angelou's recent work. 'With this kind of poem Angelou has decided to interpret public writing as a verbal equivalent of making a poster, and there's nothing wrong with this. The rhetoric is full of big gestures that make a direct appeal to our feelings, rather than getting to it by the little winding ways more personal poetry might use.'

Motion said the lines raise questions about whether 'poster-style' poems can live long beyond the moment. 'Maybe Angelou doesn't mean them to. On their own terms they have the vivacity and strength and colours you would expect of posters. But they have a sort of best-before date, or rather a best-on date, stamped on them.'

It is not known how long Angelou spent writing the poem, but in the weeks leading up to President Bill Clinton's first inauguration she is said to have begun work at 5.30 every morning, equipped with a glass of sherry, a dictionary, Roget's Thesaurus and the Bible.

Angelou was born Marguerite Johnson in 1928 in St Louis, Missouri, and lived with her mother until she was raped by her mother's boyfriend. In England she became famous in the early Seventies with the first of her volumes of autobiography.

During her extraordinary life she has worked as a prostitute, a professor, a Creole cook, an aide to Martin Luther King, a singer, an actress, a dancer, the editor of an Egyptian newspaper and a single mother, as well as producing poetry and plays.

In recent years she has controversially even written lines to be printed inside greetings cards. 'Life is a glorious banquet, a limitless and delicious buffet,' reads one of her Hallmark epigrams.

She has defended this commercial decision against literary snobbery: 'If I'm America's poet, or one of them, I want to be in people's hands. All people's hands, people who would never buy a book.'

It remains to be seen if she will find herself once again rising at dawn to compose new stanzas to mark a third Clinton inauguration………
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:24 AM
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36. I think to spend 10 minutes on your 10 second cut and paste would be more foolish.
You have already been shown by about 10 other posters to be incorrect in your assertion that this was written for Hillary, so I care not to waste my time.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:24 AM
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37. LOL
Her Google-fu isn't up to par. :rofl:
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:26 AM
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40. Seriously, do I sound THAT stupid? What a MORAN!!
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:29 AM
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45. No, but this is the second time in a few days
That an avid Hillary poster was proved wrong and they refused to believe it. Seriously it's all a mass Obama conspiracy. :crazy:



Jesus, at least when I'm proven wrong I can admit it. :P
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:01 AM
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2. I'm sure the irony is lost on her.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:02 AM
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3. k and r
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:05 AM
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8. Not Very Patriotic Of Her - Faking War Stories nt
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:06 AM
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9. Clinton's "Mission Accomplished" moment
my hero
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:07 AM
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13. Mission Embellished. n/t
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:35 AM
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51. Beautifully said.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:06 AM
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11. That's a stunning illustration
of hilary's lack of conscience to pad her resume.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:06 AM
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12. They'll use Maya Angelo like they used Black churches
I can't wait for Maya to spit on them because that time is coming.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:07 AM
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14. Amen
100%
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:09 AM
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17. Double amen. They have not seen the end of the backlash with this racist shit.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:23 AM
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79. The racist shit is all in your little mind.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:11 AM
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19. Maya is a great Clinton admirer.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:13 AM
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22. Yeah. Just keep banking on that loyalty shit. It hasn't been working too well
has it now?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:17 AM
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75. She did endorse Clinton.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:13 AM
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23. Ya don't think maybe it's the reverse and Maya is gracious enough to make it "look" that way?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:18 AM
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77. No. She endorsed Clinton.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:09 AM
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16. Chill, please?
There was a sniper risk. There was an element of possible danger. She made it into narrative, even if it was misleading.

Sure, we can play this gotcha game, but coming down to the wire, can we play it with a little more class?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:11 AM
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18. It would have ENDED Obama's campaign. I repeat. It would have ENDED Obama's campaign.
Or any MAN for that matter.

It is a sexist double standard.

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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #18
53. Oh please. I don't think any revelations would end Obama's
campaign if it's up to his supporters.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:42 AM
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54. Uhm, context?
Are you saying women are given a pass about "fudging" combat experience?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:59 AM
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66. I'm saying if it had been a man, they would have did what they did to Dukakis.
They would have said that he is not strong enough to be Commander in chief. And mocked him.

The same way I am trying to mock Hillary. But it doesn;t take off as much because men are EXPECTED to be stronger.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:12 AM
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73. Interesting.
I was fairly young when Dukakis went down, but what I remember was him grinning like a happy child... while riding in a lethal, and brutal, weapon of war. He looked like he was playing bumper cars.

As far as men being "expected" to be stronger, that might be regional/generational. I dunno how many men would rather undergo childbirth than combat, but I'd wager it's not that many.

Being bigger, and able to lift more, doesn't mean as much if your pain threshold and pain endurance is lower. :)
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:15 AM
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26. Obama can fight it with class. When it comes to racists, bigots and ifiots
I'm not holding anything back.

Nice spin. There was NO sniper risk and it wasn't "misleading", it was a damn lie. Didn't your mammy teach you anything?
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:53 AM
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65. Sorry to put it this way, but:
There was a possibility of .50 cal potshots being taken as they were flying in. Not a big risk, but a risk.

Since killing the US president's wife would have been, oh global news, the military were kinda sensitive.

To this day, a sitting US president, or their close relatives, can't publicly go *anywhere* in the US, or the rest of the world, without sniper and counter-sniper sweeps.

That being said, Hillary decided to interject the narrative of fear of sniper fire into that trip, perhaps as her way of saying "I've lived under constant fear of sniper fire for 8 years, Obama has not", without stating that the US itself is under constant domestic threat.

Being extremely honest about such a threat can make people a bit... twitchy.
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:58 AM
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84. Explain the "we had to run from the plane" comment n/t
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #84
85. Urgency was required. She couldn't stand in the same place/pose for 5-10 seconds.
Distance sniping requires that targets pause, or have predictable movements.

Bullets have travel time, when they have to go a bit down range.. :)
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:25 AM
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80. What's an "ifiot"
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:12 AM
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20. Is it time to fit Hillary for a flight suit?
I've defended her here many times, but her explaination on this was absurd. "Misspoke" about ducking gun fire? Sorry, that's called a lie where I come from.

I hope that she can muster a rational explaination, but it doesn't appear she'll be able to recover from this fiasco?

I don't want to rub salt in the wound that her supporters must be feeling, so I shall leave it at that. It's really disappointing is all.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:17 AM
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27. Another aspect to consider...
Chelsea was certainly old enough to remember that event so I wonder what she thinks of this "story?"
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:19 AM
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31. She was right next to Hillary in the video. And Hillary's hilarious attempt at reframing it
and saying she "hurried up and dropped the thig off for the kid" was ridiculous!



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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:22 AM
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34. "Last week she handed this new poem over to the Clinton campaign."



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/20/usa.poetry


Maya Angelou's poem in praise of Hillary

* Vanessa Thorpe, arts and media correspondent
* The Observer,
* Sunday January 20 2008

About this article
Close
This article appeared in the Observer on Sunday January 20 2008 on p3 of the News section. It was last updated at 01:49 on January 20 2008.

Maya Angelou, the African-American poet who is one of the most influential and respected literary voices of the modern age, has written a poem praising Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign for The Observer.

Angelou, author of an autobiographical series of books, including the international bestseller I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, was moved to send the verse after being asked by the newspaper for her reflections on Clinton.

She is supporting Clinton despite her close friendship with television personality and philanthropist Oprah Winfrey, a prominent backer of rival Democrat Barack Obama, the first black presidential hopeful with a real chance of reaching the White House.

Angelou is steadfast in her loyalty to Clinton. She said recently: 'I made up my mind 15 years ago that if she ever ran for office I'd be on her wagon. My only difficulty with Senator Obama is that I believe in going out with who I went in with.'

The 79-year-old poet was the centrepiece of Bill Clinton's inauguration in 1993 when she read her poem On the Pulse of Morning, playing on the idea of a new political dawn. Last week she handed this new poem over to the Clinton campaign.

Angelou says that she has had many long telephone conversations with Winfrey on the subject of Obama versus Clinton. 'She thinks he's the best, and I think my woman is the best,' she has explained. 'Oprah is a daughter to me, but she is not my clone.'

Angelou was recently voted one of the 10 most admired women in America, in a poll topped by Hillary Clinton. The very public marital problems suffered by the Clintons during their time at the White House seem to have reinforced Angelou's admiration for Hillary.

'When he had his brush with Ms Lewinsky, the whole world was looking under Mrs Clinton's bedclothes. Many people expected her to fall or to become as hard as a rock,' she has said. 'She did neither. I love that about her. She didn't pretend she wasn't hurt and she didn't become a virago.'

Andrew Motion, the Poet Laureate, said of the poem: 'This is a great thing for The Observer to have.' He favourably compared it with the 'vivid flourishes' of Angelou's recent work. 'With this kind of poem Angelou has decided to interpret public writing as a verbal equivalent of making a poster, and there's nothing wrong with this. The rhetoric is full of big gestures that make a direct appeal to our feelings, rather than getting to it by the little winding ways more personal poetry might use.'

Motion said the lines raise questions about whether 'poster-style' poems can live long beyond the moment. 'Maybe Angelou doesn't mean them to. On their own terms they have the vivacity and strength and colours you would expect of posters. But they have a sort of best-before date, or rather a best-on date, stamped on them.'

It is not known how long Angelou spent writing the poem, but in the weeks leading up to President Bill Clinton's first inauguration she is said to have begun work at 5.30 every morning, equipped with a glass of sherry, a dictionary, Roget's Thesaurus and the Bible.

Angelou was born Marguerite Johnson in 1928 in St Louis, Missouri, and lived with her mother until she was raped by her mother's boyfriend. In England she became famous in the early Seventies with the first of her volumes of autobiography.

During her extraordinary life she has worked as a prostitute, a professor, a Creole cook, an aide to Martin Luther King, a singer, an actress, a dancer, the editor of an Egyptian newspaper and a single mother, as well as producing poetry and plays.

In recent years she has controversially even written lines to be printed inside greetings cards. 'Life is a glorious banquet, a limitless and delicious buffet,' reads one of her Hallmark epigrams.

She has defended this commercial decision against literary snobbery: 'If I'm America's poet, or one of them, I want to be in people's hands. All people's hands, people who would never buy a book.'

It remains to be seen if she will find herself once again rising at dawn to compose new stanzas to mark a third Clinton inauguration………
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #34
39. And again, that's a different poem than the one mentioned
And the one that some people have posted on here.

"And Still I Rise" written in 1978. Seriously, spend a couple of minutes with Google, this shit isn't hard to find out.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:28 AM
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44. BZZZ! DOES. NOT. COMPUTE BZZZ! DOES. NOT. COMPUTE. BZZZZZZZZ!!!!
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:30 AM
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47. CAN WE NOT LET MY THREAD BE HIJACKED ANY FURTHER PLEASE! I MADE SOME REAL POINTS.
The joking is fun, but I am deadly serious.

Let's address this since the Hillary supporters think this contest is still going on strong, okay?
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:44 AM
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56. You had the nerve to lie about Maya Angelou while sending your points into real peril
Your inability to count to 2025 doesn't help your credibility either.

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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:46 AM
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57. Where did he lie about Maya Angelou? Link?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:00 AM
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67. "Count to 2025"? Huh? What does that mean and what did I lie about? It's Hillary that lied.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:01 AM
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68. You're so cute when you play dumb.
:*
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:03 AM
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70. I swear, you little fanboy or fangirl, I have no idea what you mean by 2025.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:12 AM
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92. That is the number of delegates required to secure the nomination.
Neither candidate has that number, so any assertion that the primary is over is bullshit.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:13 AM
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93. Thank you. I honestly blamked out on what that number was!
PS No offense about the "fanboy" comment.

I love fanboys and girls and they love me.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:17 AM
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94. never let them suck you in
just get down with your BAD self
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:31 AM
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49. Huh? What the hell does that even mean?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:27 AM
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82. Or America.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:33 AM
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50. Well, in all seriousness
This Boznia thing isn't going to go away. It's a slap in the face to those that have really been under sniper fire. It was a prepared speech and she said it anyways.


Also Carville calling Richardson Judas was just too much. Seriously? Judas!?! And on Good Friday too. :eyes:


Really, I do feel sorry for Hillary. She could have run a good campaign. She should have had a plan for after Super Tuesday. But instead, she's surrounded herself with old friends, like Penn and Carville and Wolfson, and they do her no favors.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:46 AM
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58. As I heard a talking head say, if Richardson's Judas, who's the Messiah?
:rofl:

NGU.


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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #58
60. Oh I know I commented on that here a few days ago
And people on here say Obama has the messianic complex. LOL.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:02 AM
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69. They think that Maya's saying "She Rose" means she is God? Like Jesus "rising"?
Creepy stuff near Easter.

"She has risen. She has risen indeed."

:scared:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:37 AM
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52. To me this is just the stupidest thing ever.
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 12:39 AM by lizzy
I couldn't care less if there was or wasn't sniper fire when Hillary went to Bosnia.
Somebody probably told her it could be dangerous and so her memory played a trick on her.
Hardly the end of the world as DUbamas claim.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:43 AM
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55. So You're Saying She Hallucinated
Edited on Tue Mar-25-08 12:44 AM by lligrd
Hillary was so scared she started seeing make believe bullets flying around her? Who wants that answering the red phone at 3 am?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:47 AM
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59. Better her than McCain.
And no, I am not saying she hallucinated. This was over a decade ago.
Memories are not perfect.
Do you remember what you were doing back then?
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:51 AM
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64. I'd Remember Bullets Flying Over My Head
Better than McCain, yes. But that is not saying much, is it?
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VenusRising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:49 AM
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61. Error: You've already recommended that thread.
And I'd rec' it 4,000 times if I could. One for each of those brave men and women who were sent to their deaths. :cry:
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:08 AM
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72. I thought this was appropriate for this thread
For those who haven't seen it yet:
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:30 AM
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86. Great!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:26 AM
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81. This was exactly the thought that crossed my mind
and it was followed by this



I think it will have a devestating effect on her contributions

and end the campaign
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:31 AM
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83. Yep, it doesn't inspire me to poetryeither.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:32 AM
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87. Bush was a fighter pilot
and Kerry was a commie protestor
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:05 AM
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90. Its her "flight suit on an aircraft carrier" moment - MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, just like Bush. -eom
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:08 AM
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91. Her Bosnia Statements have proven her Unelectable once again..
no chance in hell hillary wins a GE
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