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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:27 AM
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Hillary's problem with Tuzla
I'm thinking that the Tuzla incident shows up something a lot bigger than this one incident: Namely that Hillary, even when she knows she is wrong, can't admit it until confronted with hard evidence and until she has to because pretty much no one believes her account. And in denying it before it is obviously incontrovertible, she goes ever farther in her defense and gets more pigheaded.

This indicates to me someone that has the same dangerous character flaw as George W. Bush, the inability to admit you are wrong.

Her hubris is one of the greatest flaws a leader can have. She scares me.

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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:32 AM
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1. Yep. Same with IWR...can't for the life of her truly admit she was wrong, as others have who voted
for it.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:59 AM
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5. I actually bought the argument that she was trying to appear "strong"
as the CIC to compensate for being a woman.

Now I see it permeates her personality.

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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:25 AM
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10. Don't feel bad, plenty of folks bought into it also.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:36 AM
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2. The lying and failure to admit a mistake
are both characteristics that she shares with Bush.

She is much smarter than Bush, plus, with Bush, the lying is orchestrated by his minions and puppet masters (represented by Cheney)... Bush just goes along with the program and "catapults the propaganda" (which I'm convinced he heard in some strategy meeting and thought it was a "cute phrase" so he repeated it later).

She has never admitted (unlike Edwards) that the IWR vote was wrong. She has "explanations" but can't just stand there and say "It was a mistake. I screwed up and accept the responsibility for it".

The Tuzla episode (and the half dozen other resume padding incidents that the MSM DIDN'T cover) only point out that she embellishes to outlandish extent... starting with the 30 years of public service bullshit. If she wrote this all down and presented it on a job application (and got hired), she could be fired or even sued over it.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:49 AM
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3. I have had the same thought.
The Clintons have always had this characteristic.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:00 AM
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6. Is that a political decision then or an inherent character flaw?
How can it appear in both a husband and wife if so?
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:54 AM
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4. Like Bush she lies when she doesn't have to or the truth will serve him better. That's scary
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:22 AM
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7. It's certainly no "blip"
it's a big fat confabulation.

We already got one President who lives in his own reality... we don't need another.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:05 AM
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8. It is just the media playing tag team wrestling with the
Democratic candidates. The whole thing is idiotic and illustrates how our candidates are under the Media Microscope being searched for a Dean Scream moment that is then run 24/7, while McCain can clearly not know dogshit about the middle east, stumble publicly and be revealed as an over-inflated buffoon, and his idiocy is seen through a gauze covered lens at a distance.

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:08 AM
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9. You don't think lying about being the target of sniper fire is a big deal?
Yikes.

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 06:22 PM
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18. Compared to endless war and deliberate criminal negligence?
Compared to completely corrupt and ruinous rule?

You are being diverted by the great distracting noise emanating from the Bullshit Media System. Clue up cowboy.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:30 AM
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11. Tuzla reinforces an already existing narrative re Hillary Clinton:
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:33 AM
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12. I think the situation with Richardson also shows another flaw...the expectation
that all who surround her must think and walk in lockstep or they are "traitors". I don't want another President who is locked into their own thinking and expects all of those around them to bow to their will or they will be destroyed. I don't see that Clinton is open to any other thoughts but her own and that even when proven wrong, she'll keep going, full steam ahead.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:33 AM
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13. Inability to admit you are wrong
and, "you know", makng up implausible excuses. "I misspoke" when READING FROM THE PREPARED TEXT!!! Really? http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=6553
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:35 AM
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14. Goodness, who prepared that speech for her, and is she so robotic
that she will read out an untruth unquestioningly?

Not good at all.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:41 AM
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16. It was a rather good delivery
you must admit. The wide smile at the scary recollection, the suggestive gestures depicting the picture... very well done.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:43 AM
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17. haha. Good delivery, but looks like she reads it like she is given a part to play.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:40 AM
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15. Geeeeeeeee....does this remind us of anyone?
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