I feel the arrogant, sarcastic attitude many Obama supporters have isn't helping his campaign.

[Kablooie]

I am an Obama supporter and I feel Hillary has done many things that indicate a character that I do not want in my next President.

but much of the arrogant, gloating, sarcastic comments by Obama supporters gives an poor impression that pollutes his image.

If I were a Hillary supporter I might feel like resisting support of Obama because of this.

if you want to support Obama, it is valid to discuss the pros and cons of the candidates. Explore their policies, views, and character.

Even humor and poking fun can be OK, I certainly do this, but there should be an undercurrent of respect, not derision, even
if you see a candidate do things that you don't agree with.

Admittedly, Hillary's recent Bosnia travesty was an ill conceived and poorly managed ploy. Certainly one can make fun of her mistakes.
But she is not G.W.Bush and shouldn't be held to the same low standards that he is.

The idea should be to persuade others to join you, not to ridicule and drive them away. That will only hurt your cause.

[MNDemNY]

1. You are very close to being banished from the obamanation.

Be careful, you may be required to think for your self.

[olkaz]

6. Thanks for providing a direct counterpoint to the OP's argument.

Saved me the time and effort of finding one myself.

[george_maniakes]

8. If you mean hes acting like an ass, well yes. But it seems that 's his thing. n/t

[trained specialist]

17. We bask in our Cuteness

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[george_maniakes]

11. I dont worship obama, that would be stupid. Do you worship hillary...

is that why you're asking me? because thats just dumb.

[MNDemNY]

15. Don't even like her.

[george_maniakes]

19. then why would you assume i worship obama? because i think he would make a good president?

thats a rather silly arguement isnt it?

[olkaz]

18. Just a question...

Do you realize how offensive that is?

I mean, seriously. Are you just flaming, or do you really not know?

[MNDemNY]

20. ..

:nopity:

[jgraz]

2. Oh sure, like we really need to listen to you

:P

[Peregrine Took]

37. See - its this attitude that is so repugnant. Ugh!!

[soleft]

3. K&R and I like your user name

[Blue_State_Elitist]

4. Yes.

Arrogance has pushed this dedicated Hillary supporter away from Obama.

[Cheap_Trick]

14. that's funny

I could say the same about the arrogance of Hillary supporters pushing US away from HRC.

[susankh4]

49. Add me to that category as well.

I once thought Obama an upstanding Democrat. But, he seems to attract such negative energy to himself... I gotta wonder.

[Pawel K]

5. I think the problem is hillbot trolls invading this message board

after so many idiotic pro-Hillary posts that are nothing more than flame-bait it gets a little hard to respond to that crap
"respectfully". But I am personally trying to cut out replying to those threads, and I agree with you other Obama supporters should do the same.

[george_maniakes]

7. Good point, and it also applies to many hillary supporters here too.

Stop bashing each before you reach a point where you'd rather have mccain win than see the other democrat win.

[flor de jasmim]

10. No one should be voting or not voting on the basis of the candidate's SUPPORTERS ...

unless you live with one! (and even then...)

EDITED: Of course, I do not mean to imply that we should not be civil...but the argument "I won't vote for your candidate because I don't like the way you defend him/her" is not a convincing one.

[george_maniakes]

13. Republicans should use posts found here to find more republicans.

I mean really how many threads here make you people proud to be a democrat?

[DemGa]

12. Good point -- but far too late

You don't forget those kinds of personal attacks. And Obama set that tone from the start - by running on Hillary's so-called negatives. It's rolled downhill from BO ever since.

[Cheap_Trick]

22. how are things in opposite world?

HRC and her acolytes were the ones running a negative campaign of personal attacks from the start. Now you cry when Obama pushes back. She brought it on herself. The only thing going downhill is her campaign.

[NightWatcher]

16. none of this on DU helps or hurts any campaign, this is just mental masturbation in here

to affect the campaign, leave the the house and meet with the campaign volunteers and "DO" something. I "did" something here in my state and next door. I am in waiting until the General campaign gets ramped up when I will work some more. Until then I am "playing" in here.

[txaslftist]

23. You are dead-on. This is pure amusement.

When I go out and meet Hillary's volunteers (I'm an Obama guy), we are all glad to be fellow Democrats, and this partisan bickering is hardly present at all. It's only on the internet, where we have the shield of anonymity and unnaccountability to hide behind that we become such turds.

So let's all get out there in the field, dodge those snipers and get to work electing a Democrat, whoever that may be.

[Bluenorthwest]

29. I think you are half right

Real world work is superior, but this for many people is the whole of the communication they get with fellow Democrats. While most are probably well behind one or the other, and many are as you say clearly in wank mode, I think that those who are lucky enough to really feel strongly about one of these two, or any other candidate, should as a rule of thumb never stop attempting to pick up the odd open voter. If I was all on borad for one of these two, I would never take the low road, ever. More importantly, I'd just forget about the ardents on the other side, and go about gathering fence sitters. The fact is, lots of people decide in the booth, that is just how it is. The difference is not as vast and the choice is not as obvious to the unwon voter, which is why we are unwon.
This is just a story of my experience, so I'll leave out the names as I don't want to bring up the issue, but how it was dealt with. Obama pissed me off royally, deeply. I have been wildly open about that here and on other boards. I've had dozens of people call me names, and vast sums of people presume to tell me what is and is not valid for me to feel. And, here is the kicker, not one supporter of Obama's stopped and asked why it was so important to me. Instead they said it is not important at all. They could have said 'let me try to see what has you so pissed'. My vote was, and is, still winable. I'm not trying to call out one side here at all, but I offer that fact to chew on. It did not occur to anyone to ask a single question about it. No one asked what would make the situation right again. Many have told me that nothing Obama could ever say would sway me, because I am stuck on one unimportant issue. None of that is true. None of it. In fact, the reason I have spent time on this is in part because I am trying to find a way to support Obama. If he's the nom, I'll have to.
If 99% of the people are wankers with an agenda, that means one out of one hundred is not. All respect, Obama wants that one, and the rest are done deals. Clinton wants that vote too. You all treat each other like dirt, but again, all honesty here, Clinton supporters are nicer to the undecied and that should be corrected on the Obama side, rather than pissing on the last badly needed voters in an attempt to have fun mocking Hillary's people, you know?
I'm spending the afternoon looking for a nice silver dollar. I may need a coin to flip when I cast my vote in May.

[NightWatcher]

38. if you still havent made up your mind, please dont do it based on what you read here

[Arkansas Granny]

21. I support Senator Clinton and it's unlikely that the behavior of Senator Obama's supporters

will change my mind on that. I certainly think that a little more civility and an honest discussion of issues would greatly improve this forum right now.

[John Q. Citizen]

24. Healing can't commence until there is an agreed winner and loser. However, the amount

of healing needed isn't only a function of how long the campaigns continue. It's also related to the nature of the campaign.

[george_maniakes]

25. maybe healing cant start, but you can still have civility and respect.

i mean you would think from some of these threads that if the other democrat won it would be the apocolypse.

[John Q. Citizen]

34. The problem is we have a frontrunner who appears to have it pretty well in the bag, and we

have a challenger who though losing in delegates won, popular vote, and states won, is implicitly endorsing the Repo candidate over the most likely Democratic nominee. That's pretty fucked up.

Add to that the obvious repeated race baiting from the Clinton Campaign and you have very negative atmosphere.

And it insures a responce.

The trailing candidate keeps attempting preceedural modifications to pre-existing agreements in order to justify staying in the race under the circumstances, and continues to promote the Repo over the Dem front-runner and race bait.

Would you expect there to be no response? And what would the proper response be?

While I don't believe that going batshit ugly on a Clinton supporter makes any sense at all, not everyone has the restraint I seem to. And we have a ton of visitation here and now from who knows where attempting to keep the pot stirring. And they take many forms.

So i wouldn't get overly concerned, but I am concerned.

Personally I'd recommend that the supers come out for Obama and put this thing to bed, turn the page and move on.

[IndependentDem]

26. this is true for both sides...

many supporters from both sides are no longer making any sense-- finding a thread that is an actual discussion is a thing of the past, its all about personal attacks and demeaning each other because of their chosen candidate-- that is the way of the DU.

[snooper2]

27. Um, go walk outside...

And knock on all your neighbors doors...like all day...I mean all day...hundreds..

When you find somebody who knows DU exists come back here and let us know...

When you find somebody that knows DU exists AND lets it influence their decisions..... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[goletian]

28. theyre not campaigning. if anyone judges obama by his supporters, then theyre not interested in him.

N/T

[Bluenorthwest]

32. They should be campaigning

They need the practice for later.
What the hell are they doing?
I'm not sure why the supporters of either care about the supporters of the other instead of the people who are still with neither. I support a Democrat for President, I have a coin, and I will flip it if I have to. I don't judge the candidates by the supporters, but i come to DU as part of my process. It is in all honesty almost impossibe to find anything but a fight. So good thing I have that coin!

[Life Long Dem]

30. Yeah, It's our fault Hillary is losing. Nothing changes does it?

Obama supporters point out the truth and we get attacked. Not a surprise considering it's been happening all year.

[GalleryGod]

31. "...ill conceived and poorly managed..." ???

Sniper story NOT here...



NOR here.

[MadHound]

33. So do you really think that what is said on a board,

Patronized by 0.03% of the population, discussing what 0.0001% posts about, is really going to have an effect on the election? Wow, I think that you're giving way to much credence to this place.

[rucky]

35. Look around.

Most people here are arrogant and sarcastic. It just annoys people more when it's aimed in their general direction, and overlooked when it's not.

edit: That doesn't make it okay, of course. And I agree with your last comment 100%.

[Peregrine Took]

36. I don't dislike Obama that much, although I don't think he is nearly the "god"

that his followers think he is, but its THEY that drive me nuts.

Its like the "Jim Jones" cult thing - they are insane over him and no man or woman is perfect. Its really a huge turn off.

[rucky]

40. Are you enthusiastic about something or someone?

Knitters. I don't get it.

Dog people. What's up with all the t-shirts?

David Hasselhoff. What does Germany see in him?

Star Wars fans. Geeks.

I'm not much of a "joiner" either - but I kind of envy them sometimes, too.

[MethuenProgressive]

39. Don't judge all DU's Obama supporters by the noisy few playing games in GD-P.

Most DU Obama supporters do so because they like him.
The DUbamas just hate. They'll wander off, or be banished, when we have a nominee.

[truebrit71]

41. Maybe if Billary didn't act as though she were Queen, and wasn't surrounded by so many vile...

..and vicious rodents, we wouldn't feel that way...

Her behaviour and demeanour of entitlement just rubs me the wrong way...

Oh, and that clap, clap, point, point thing she does drives me up the freaking wall...

But, she is who she is, she's in this for herself, and the party and the country be damned...

Well, I'm sorry but that's just not good enough...

I'll take hope over fear every day of the week and twice on Sunday, heck I might even dodge some sniper-fire while I'm at it... ;-)

[emilyg]

44. Bilary?

[bridgit]

42. I agree, I feel it illustrates BO's support base as being essentially juvenille...

Considered BO supporters, many my friends already, are left to perform all the heavy lifting if while acting juvenile in the course of going along with BO group-think as, it is the image they seem to prefer the world most see, the rest are running about with beer bongs on their heads and tipping trash cans just cause...childish

Yes...HRC has a problem with 'the Bosnia thing', that's a given. But BO peeps only seem to be further from the truth if they were expecting either,

a) HRC & Chelsea to actually be scurrying beneath ricocheting sniper shots between serpentine puffs of dislodged concrete (which it is my belief were very likely taking place not far outside the perimeter that is always secured for such visits and supports her now recollection of evasive descent landing patterns, and my further belief BO peeps would prefer such harm befall her), or,

b) that that particular area of the world in particular; and after a particularly nasty round brutal, generational, war of history & ages is like flying into DisneyWorld. Cause it isn't. The round & round nature of the photo-shops alone are indicators of a lack of gravitas on the parts of some BO supporters. Not to mention a lose grip on the historical, generational dangers of the world beyond.

But yeah, the idea should be to persuade.

[anonymous171]

43. You obviously have never been to a pro-hillary forum.

[emilyg]

45. I have.

Very civilized.

[anonymous171]

48. lol. Yeah right.

They use "hussein" a lot, make fun of Richardson, and plot to keep the Wright story on the airwaves (via writing Hannity and Co.)

[Cha]

46. Yeah, but can you name one thing that indicates

hilary has character? Or did you just feel like getting up on your soapbox and scolding for the heck of it?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

47. Try not to project people on a message board to supporters in real life.

People who post on DU are a special breed of political junkies. We're a tad more jaded and cynical than the average bear.

[applegrove]

50. I too wish we could dial it down.

[JoFerret]

51. Sore winners

some of them.

I wonder - if and when Obama succeeds in his quest to win the nomination - will they then cease and desist the vilification, character assassination and taunting. Or is it a characteristic?

The more successful he is the worse they seem to get. Why so shrill and insistent?